OT: Tiger woods arrested

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I am Jack's #1 fan. Tiger vs Jack in prime would have been awesome. And is a toss up.

Jack played with crap equipment/balls. Both won because they were long off the tee and fearless. And they were best on green under pressure.

Masters is played on same course today (though longer today). Check their stats. Toss up.
Check again....Jack has the better stats. Too lazy to post them all but more majors and 19 second place finishes in Majors.
 

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A "fraud" is someone who pretends to be something he's not. As far as I know, Tiger Woods has never "pretended to be" anything other than the best golfer who ever played the game.

He may be a scum-bag, or a POS, or whatever you want to call him (and on a personal level I generally agree), but . . . Tiger Woods is the best player to ever tee up a golf ball. Period. I'm tempted to say ". . . by far the best player . . .", but I won't in deference to the fact that Nicklaus is and always has been, as one poster said, "a class act." At his best, and I mean at his BEST -- Nicklaus was not as good a player as Tiger was, at or even close to his best.

My first memory of golf on TV was seeing Arnie win his first Masters in 1958, when I was 11 1/2 years old.

When Nicklaus started beating Arnie regularly, he got just a little bit smug for my taste, but not so smug as to detract, overall, from his being a class act. I thought Tiger would win 19 majors or more, but now it's clear that he won't. Of course, a part of Tiger's present physical problems undoubtedly arose from the fact that he started playing at a highly competitive level at such a young age, and continued competing at the highest level without any "break" for 17 years (1991 - 2008). When we talk about "majors", I always try to remember that Tiger won three straight USGA Junior titles, at ages 15, 16, and 17, and won three straight U. S. Amateur Championships, at ages 18, 19, and 20 -- before he ever turned pro ! ! !

I agree that it is a shame that Tiger is such a non-role-model for young kids. But he certainly is not !
Wrong. Nicklaus was the best. 18-14 in majors plus 2 amateur titles.
Jack..IN MAJORS...had 19 second place finishes...56 top 5 and 73 top ten finishes. Young people are often times prisoners of the moment.
Tiger came up short...Jack is still the greatest. Period
 

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Anybody that don't think Tiger took PED, then I have a nice ocean front home for sale, really cheap in Harlan County.
 

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Tiger was and still is the best thing to happen to golf. If Tiger comes back to any single tournament, it will be major headlines and the rating will go through the roof. It's the reason why a good chunk of his endorsements have not dried up.

Hater gonna hate.

With regards to this episode. everyone on this board after a couple of drinks could be stopped and charged with DUI. It's the reality. And most first time offenders will get a slap on the wrist...it's that common.

And Tyson's fall dwarfs Tigers...I mean, Tyson went to jail for rape. For those comparing the two are idiots and probably hate Tiger for other reasons.

No, if I sniff alcohol I do not drive. I plan to stay where ever I am at. I don't get into a car with a driver who has been drinking if I did go anywhere. I just do not. No chance...
 

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OJ Simpson sneaks up behind you and slits your throat.

DUI is bad. But I don't see this as the scene break in a Behind The Music. Unfortunately, it's too common. If I bet you Tom Brady has had some beers or more likely popped some Vicodin before getting behind the wheel in the past three years, would you feel comfortable taking that bet? It's sad that Tiger isn't z tiger anymore, and that this happened. But they're not necessarily the same.

Yeah, I sure liked OJ in the day. He was a likable guy. OJ had the world by the tail. I dare say he was as popular as Cosby back in the day. :oops:

All these noted have betrayed a trust. A crying shame...
 

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Was ETW as good a golfer as advertised?...
Was he The Man as presented?...
Just another case of the public being hoodwinked?
Is it possible ETW is just a "paper tiger?
Someone the media created from ink?
He is what he is.. No more no less... Puts his pants on like all of us... but don't know that he thinks that.
 
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If it were pills, why refuse breathalyzer?

Yeah - that was a little odd. He also said, "I take full responsibility for my actions". That's the number 1 line of anybody who gets in trouble and is looking to get out of it. For instance, after he takes "full responsibility", he blames it on a reaction to pain pills. Unreal.
 

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When Tyson fought, there were huge parties at homes, apartment complexes, bars, and whatever else, just to see his match on pay per view. And there were those matches where his devastating right hand punch would knock a challenger out midway thru the first round and the fight was over in seconds. Yet, people will say that it was the best money paid for in terms of seeing excitement and watching Tyson literally knock a man into tomorrow.

From my point of view, Tyson by far was the more known athlete or star of their times. Just an opinion.

I think these are all just young kids sayin he was overrated. I don't even think they were watching sports at the time let alone boxing. And I'm not talking smack or tryin to be a d$@k. There's just no way they actually seen him fight. Michael Spinks ran through TWO divisions. After he got done with light heavys he went after heavys. Won titles in both divisions and made it all of 90 seconds against Tyson. He was an animal pure and simple. Was hard to hit and threw power 1-5, both hands, on the move and could take an opponents 5 best shots just to land one of his and that's all it took. One shot and that was the curtain call.
 

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I think these are all just young kids sayin he was overrated. I don't even think they were watching sports at the time let alone boxing. And I'm not talking smack or tryin to be a d$@k. There's just no way they actually seen him fight. Michael Spinks ran through TWO divisions. After he got done with light heavys he went after heavys. Won titles in both divisions and made it all of 90 seconds against Tyson. He was an animal pure and simple. Was hard to hit and threw power 1-5, both hands, on the move and could take an opponents 5 best shots just to land one of his and that's all it took. One shot and that was the curtain call.

I still stand by what I said. In his prime, I'd take Tyson over any heavy weight.
 

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When Tyson fought, there were huge parties at homes, apartment complexes, bars, and whatever else, just to see his match on pay per view. And there were those matches where his devastating right hand punch would knock a challenger out midway thru the first round and the fight was over in seconds. Yet, people will say that it was the best money paid for in terms of seeing excitement and watching Tyson literally knock a man into tomorrow.

From my point of view, Tyson by far was the more known athlete or star of their times. Just an opinion.
Kind of like how people watch Talladega to see the 'big one'. Even those who aren't huge NASCAR fans. Just waited for that epic punch from Tyson.
 

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I still stand by what I said. In his prime, I'd take Tyson over any heavy weight.

I honestly think he had the accuracy to get to Ali. And his defense was way underrated. He was hard to hit, especially for a heavyweight. Had a good chin. Like I said earlier he would walk through 5 punches to land one good one. With his mixture or power, speed, chin and defense it would definitely be a great fight with Ali. If Tyson could hold up into the later rounds without tiring then I think he could catch Ali eventually. Ali definitely didn't have the power to hurt Tyson so he'd definitely have to win rounds and a decision. I honestly feel though that Tyson would win with a late round KO. Like maybe in the 9th or 10th.
 

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One poster said, "Tiger is a young man"..Tiger is 41 years old..at what age does a grown man stop being a "young man." This jackass is not even man enough to admit fault. He is saying alcohol was not involved. A reaction to prescript meds. This guy will never win another golf tournament let alone 4 majors to equal Jack..not ever going to happen..I will never condone drinking and driving. Not from a celeb or any average everyday idiot..
I thought it was reported that he blew a .000 on the breathalyzer.
 

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One poster said, "Tiger is a young man"..Tiger is 41 years old..at what age does a grown man stop being a "young man." This jackass is not even man enough to admit fault. He is saying alcohol was not involved. A reaction to prescript meds. This guy will never win another golf tournament let alone 4 majors to equal Jack..not ever going to happen..I will never condone drinking and driving. Not from a celeb or any average everyday idiot..

Bet you feel a bit stupid now....
 

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I thought it was reported that he blew a .000 on the breathalyzer.

It was. Probably on pain pills from his surgery, and it has been reported in the past that he was on ambien.

Possible that the mix of those put him driving down the road in the middle of the night without even knowing he was doing it.

May be worse than that, although that's scary enough by itself.
 

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What's the big deal? Should've gone with the driver.

Happens all the time in the PGA.
 
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He didn't refuse. Blew .00 so it wasn't alcohol.

Which is irrelevant in the legal DUI scheme of things, although this may help him w/ the judge.

Regardless, asleep at the wheel in a lane of traffic...damn fortunate he didn't hurt someone or himself.
 

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ESPN did photoshop his mugshot. Someone will be fired at ESPN for this.

Actually they just did a piss poor job of clipping around the pic. Trimmed the top because the blue background in the actual photo wouldn't have matched the digital blue background they laid his pic on top of.

But even if they had doctored it, why in they hell would someone get fired for giving him a digital haircut?
 

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Jack was and is the best golfer of all time, he was so dominant during his run, half his time he was designing courses in addition to having 3 or 4 kids by the time he was 35. He could have been concentrating on winning more tournaments and focusing only on playing golf. As for Tyson I don't think he could have beaten Ali in his prime, yes Tyson did have a devastating right hand but Ali was hard to hit and was very underrated for taking a punch. If Sonny Liston and George Foreman couldn't beat Ali, neither could Tyson. Joe Frazier had the best left hook ever and it couldn't keep Ali down after 15 rounds. That's just my opinion.
 

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Which is irrelevant in the legal DUI scheme of things, although this may help him w/ the judge.

Regardless, asleep at the wheel in a lane of traffic...damn fortunate he didn't hurt someone or himself.
I understand. Just correcting that they said he refused the breathalyzer.
 

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I asked for tysons top 5 wins.

Let's see how many people even know who they are.

Tyson was fixed with opponents he could beat. He lost wen he faced competition.

Sorry, you can think he was the best fighter ever, not true. Not close to true.

Tyson over Ali? That's not even laughable. It's something else all together.
 

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Actually they just did a piss poor job of clipping around the pic. Trimmed the top because the blue background in the actual photo wouldn't have matched the digital blue background they laid his pic on top of.

But even if they had doctored it, why in they hell would someone get fired for giving him a digital haircut?
Photoshopping between those hairs on top of his head would have been a *****. Easy way out.
 

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Correct, there wasn't a Frazier, Liston, Foreman, around at the time. The heavyweight division was fairly weak the whole time Tyson was champ, but he beat everyone he faced. Most of the comments about him were made by people who never saw the others in their prime. Even hard hitters like Ernie Shavers and Ron Lyle and those with awkward styles like Norton may have beaten Tyson.
 

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Correct, there wasn't a Frazier, Liston, Foreman, around at the time. The heavyweight division was fairly weak the whole time Tyson was champ, but he beat everyone he faced. Most of the comments about him were made by people who never saw the others in their prime. Even hard hitters like Ernie Shavers and Ron Lyle and those with awkward styles like Norton may have beaten Tyson.
If you couldn't tell Tyson's punch would have rolled a small sized car then you started drinking too early fight night.
 

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I asked for tysons top 5 wins.

Let's see how many people even know who they are.

Tyson was fixed with opponents he could beat. He lost wen he faced competition.

Sorry, you can think he was the best fighter ever, not true. Not close to true.

Tyson over Ali? That's not even laughable. It's something else all together.


I agree with you 100%. Tyson's reign was over a really era void of great competition. Tyson lost to Buster Douglas, Holyfield 2x and Lennox Lewis, none nearly on the level of Ali, Frazier, Foreman, maybe even Jimmy Ellis. Liston was better, Lewis, Walcott, Charles, just many better than Tyson. He would admit to as much himself.
 

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I've been on pain meds after surgery.Put me right to sleep and gave me no desire to drive around at 3 am but I'm sure some will buy his stupid story.
 

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I've been on pain meds after surgery.Put me right to sleep and gave me no desire to drive around at 3 am but I'm sure some will buy his stupid story.

He knew exactly how the meds would work. Look for an addiction problem in a year or so.
 

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I've been on pain meds after surgery.Put me right to sleep and gave me no desire to drive around at 3 am but I'm sure some will buy his stupid story.

I don't know what he was on, but I know multiple people who have driven while on ambien but have no memory of leaving their house.

I always thought the incident where he ran into the tree was ambien-induced. Sounds like he needs a Shaq-sized, third shift baby sitter.
 

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I agree with you 100%. Tyson's reign was over a really era void of great competition. Tyson lost to Buster Douglas, Holyfield 2x and Lennox Lewis, none nearly on the level of Ali, Frazier, Foreman, maybe even Jimmy Ellis. Liston was better, Lewis, Walcott, Charles, just many better than Tyson. He would admit to as much himself.

All those fights happened after prison and when he was past his prime, except for Douglas. The Tyson from his early career up to Spinks could hang with anyone historically.
 

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Tyson would have been destroyed by Ali. Tyson would have been perfect for George Foreman, Joe Frazier had the bobbing and weaving style with the heavy punches, left hook in particular. Foreman destroyed him. Tyson not in the top 10 heavyweights in my opinion. He never defeated any great fighters. Larry Holmes in his prime would have knocked Tyson out. Tyson had no heart, and once hit, he usually lost.
 

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Photoshopping between those hairs on top of his head would have been a *****. Easy way out.
They could have if they'd really wanted to...

 

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I have little doubt that Tiger was on PEDs. He had the Canadian Dr who was involved with many who were caught.
Mickey Mantle was on PEDS. He took methamphetamine injections as did many elites such as Hollywood stars and JFK and Jackie. JFK was an addict. J Edgar Hoover was on it.