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The Twitter Files actually show that both the Republicans and the Democrats are engaged in the exact same behaviors -- although the Ds probably did it more "effectively." And the idea that Twitter has suddenly become a haven for FREE SPEECH is absolutely ignoring reality. Musk is doing the exact same thing the previous regime did -- shadow banning, rewriting the rules as he goes along, unilaterally making decisions to fit his worldview, predetermining bans and using all possible reasoning to justify them.....

...sorry, but I'm not like you, I guess. I don't prefer the left or the right side to be the boot stepping on my neck, and I don't support *any* megabillionaire oligarch who controls the media, even if I think he's cool.
Yea. 1 guy owning one tech app is controlling the media but you think both sides do it on the rest of the media. LOL. You guys crack me up. "I'm a moderate down the middle guy". LOL. If you think twitter files showed both sides were doing it but dems were just a tad better at it then you haven't actually read what was in it. It was like 97% to 3% on the censoring. The cia, fbi and doj were telling twitter who to censor and then twitter, a publicly traded co, would try to figure out ways to suspend people even though that hadn't broke the rules.
 

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To who exactly?
It shows how truly lost some of these "moderate" thinkers truly are. Any normal far left liberal just 10 years ago would of been appalled at what the fbi, cia and doj were doing with twitter and all tech co's. Now they just shrug and say it isn't that bad because it's obvious it benefits them. You can bet they'd flip out if it reversed.... hell, they are flipping out with just 1 site getting more fair.
 

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Musk bought the company so he can do what he wants with it. Objectively, though, it's quite hypocritical for him to say that he was going to turn Twitter into a space for open free speech and then ban and suspend all of these reporters. I genuinely don't care about this situation so please don't come at me angry trying to present your side because I do not care.
False.

Musk never said there would be unfettered speech. Even for government impacting speech, SCOTUS has likewise said there is not an unfettered right. As Musk works through this, it appears that the liberals who never had a problem with Twitter banning people are the hypocrites.
 

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The Twitter Files actually show that both the Republicans and the Democrats are engaged in the exact same behaviors -- although the Ds probably did it more "effectively." And the idea that Twitter has suddenly become a haven for FREE SPEECH is absolutely ignoring reality. Musk is doing the exact same thing the previous regime did -- shadow banning, rewriting the rules as he goes along, unilaterally making decisions to fit his worldview, predetermining bans and using all possible reasoning to justify them.....

...sorry, but I'm not like you, I guess. I don't prefer the left or the right side to be the boot stepping on my neck, and I don't support *any* megabillionaire oligarch who controls the media, even if I think he's cool.
You have been ordered to spin and you spin! Not well, but you gave it your best. Try and be more effective for the hive.
 
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I'm also pissed that rich, powerful people, and the government are engaged in propaganda. I guess the big difference is that you actually seem to be surprised by it.
Thanks for telling us your perspective AFTER a rich person does something the woke collective does not like.
 

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False.

Musk never said there would be unfettered speech. Even for government impacting speech, SCOTUS has likewise said there is not an unfettered right. As Musk works through this, it appears that the liberals who never had a problem with Twitter banning people are the hypocrites.
If a man says he is an absolutist of free speech, then one can easily come to the assumption that he means everything, hence the absolute part. He can ban whoever he wants because it's his company but to say you're going to be an absolutist of free speech and then ban people is hypocritical. We don't have to be partisan about every little thing.
 

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Elon Musk banned Kanye West after he posted a picture of a swastika, claiming it "violated Twitter's rule against incitement to violence." That's not free speech absolutism, or even close to it. It's not even against Twitter's rules, and only incites violence in the same way that Confederate statues or Donald Trump's Twitter account do. And I didn't support removing those, either.

Kanye was banned because Musk wanted it so, and he justified it by taking big leaps in his reasoning. He wanted Kanye banned, so he did it.

Musk isn't your right wing hero. Sorry, guys.
 

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If a man says he is an absolutist of free speech, then one can easily come to the assumption that he means everything, hence the absolute part. He can ban whoever he wants because it's his company but to say you're going to be an absolutist of free speech and then ban people is hypocritical. We don't have to be partisan about every little thing.
You take your hyperbolic approach because of your hypocrisy. He made it perfectly clear there would still be rules. The liberal ruling class is unsettled and you are their pawn. There is nothing objective about your criticism, but rather is partisan.
 

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It is possible for someone to make a statement on something but also not care. I never once stated that I care, my exact words were, "I genuinely don't care." Is it opposite day today?
Most people realize when someone starts by saying they don’t care and then offers an “although” or “but,” the prefatory clause was BS.
 

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Elon Musk banned Kanye West after he posted a picture of a swastika, claiming it "violated Twitter's rule against incitement to violence." That's not free speech absolutism, or even close to it. It's not even against Twitter's rules, and only incites violence in the same way that Confederate statues or Donald Trump's Twitter account do. And I didn't support removing those, either.

Kanye was banned because Musk wanted it so, and he justified it by taking big leaps in his reasoning. He wanted Kanye banned, so he did it.

Musk isn't your right wing hero. Sorry, guys.
You must have loved the NYT’s Chanukah crossword if you like Swastikas posted on Twitter. Because Musk is attempting to reveal an unjust prior practice and woke bent on Twitter, he is not a “right wing hero.” But, he does appear to be the woke’s villain.
 

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You take your hyperbolic approach because of your hypocrisy. He made it perfectly clear there would still be rules. The liberal ruling class is unsettled and you are their pawn. There is nothing objective about your criticism, but rather is partisan.
It's not hyperbolic if he actually said the words that I'm telling you he said. How does me saying that Musk can do what he wants with Twitter make me a pawn for the liberals? Just because I lean to the left, that doesn't automatically mean that I have to follow every single thing that the left believes in.
 

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Most people realize when someone starts by saying they don’t care and then offers an “although” or “but,” the prefatory clause was BS.
Orrrrrr, they can take someone's words at face value and accept that someone can make a statement without automatically thinking the worst of that person. That's just me I guess.
 
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It's not hyperbolic if he actually said the words that I'm telling you he said. How does me saying that Musk can do what he wants with Twitter make me a pawn for the liberals? Just because I lean to the left, that doesn't automatically mean that I have to follow every single thing that the left believes in.
If he said there would still be rules and restrictions on posting and you ignore that truth, you are choosing to by hyperbolic.
 

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If he said there would still be rules and restrictions on posting and you ignore that truth, you are choosing to by hyperbolic.
He went into negotiations over buying Twitter saying that he was absolutist for free speech then immediately back tracked and said that there will be restrictions. He openly contradicted himself and was hypocritical.
 

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He went into negotiations over buying Twitter saying that he was absolutist for free speech then immediately back tracked and said that there will be restrictions. He openly contradicted himself and was hypocritical.
You are ridiculous. If this is a big deal to you (and YOU posted it), there is no way you voted for Biden. That guy constantly says one thing and does another. So, that is one good thing.

And, I am sure you have no idea you are parroting a repeated wokism about Musk. Just coincidence.
 

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You are ridiculous. If this is a big deal to you (and YOU posted it), there is no way you voted for Biden. That guy constantly says one thing and does another. So, that is one good thing.

And, I am sure you have no idea you are parroting a repeated wokism about Musk. Just coincidence.
I stated one thought about a man being hypocritical and suddenly it's a big deal to me. Also seems to be coincidence that you bring up "wokism" when that's what the right appears to be mad about nowadays. I'm not saying that I'm enlightened and know all about the powers that be and how they string along the minds of the people, but gosh you sure know how to repeat word for word what Fox News likes to say about the "woke left."

When it comes to Biden, I'm not a one issue voter, if I voted solely on who is the most hypocritical, then I would never vote because every politician is hypocritical in some form or fashion. But if we're really getting into who says one thing and does the other the most, then Trump vs Biden is really no comparison. The economy was great under Trump but the man lies like his life depends on it.
 
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Elon Musk banned Kanye West after he posted a picture of a swastika, claiming it "violated Twitter's rule against incitement to violence." That's not free speech absolutism, or even close to it. It's not even against Twitter's rules, and only incites violence in the same way that Confederate statues or Donald Trump's Twitter account do. And I didn't support removing those, either.

Kanye was banned because Musk wanted it so, and he justified it by taking big leaps in his reasoning. He wanted Kanye banned, so he did it.

Musk isn't your right wing hero. Sorry, guys.
Jfc pti, those were talking points two months ago and that’s your takeaway.

Why were the fbi and cia involved in twitters day to day.

Probably some rouge democrats and it only happpened at twitter. It absolutely couldn’t and wouldn’t happen at fb, yt, or the legacy media.
 
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I stated one thought about a man being hypocritical and suddenly it's a big deal to me. Also seems to be coincidence that you bring up "wokism" when that's what the right appears to be mad about nowadays. I'm not saying that I'm enlightened and know all about the powers that be and how they string along the minds of the people, but gosh you sure know how to repeat word for word what Fox News likes to say about the "woke left."

When it comes to Biden, I'm not a one issue voter, if I voted solely on who is the most hypocritical, then I would never vote because every politician is hypocritical in some form or fashion. But if we're really getting into who says one thing and does the other the most, then Trump vs Biden is really no comparison. The economy was great under Trump but the man lies like his life depends on it.
Fox News!! LOL!!!!

Right from the script.
 
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It is clear that the MSM is just a tool against Musk, now that he has dared break from their accepted liberal narrative and woke bans.

When he took over Twitter, all of the regulars (CNN, NPR, MSN, Yahoo, Huff Post, Wash Post) ran the exact same story saying that Musk insisted there would still be limitations on Twitter, BUT claiming that racist posts were rising since his ownership. THEN, when journalists are suspended, the same bunch of parrots posted the same story saying now that Musk claimed to be a free speech absolutist and now he suspends journalists’ posts.

Any narrative to make Musk look bad, even if those narratives are grossly inconsistent. One of our posters here is spouting the same script.
 

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It is clear that the MSM is just a tool against Musk, now that he has dared break from their accepted liberal narrative and woke bans.

When he took over Twitter, all of the regulars (CNN, NPR, MSN, Yahoo, Huff Post, Wash Post) ran the exact same story saying that Musk insisted there would still be limitations on Twitter, BUT claiming that racist posts were rising since his ownership. THEN, when journalists are suspended, the same bunch of parrots posted the same story saying now that Musk claimed to be a free speech absolutist and now he suspends journalists’ posts.

Any narrative to make Musk look bad, even if those narratives are grossly inconsistent. One of our posters here is spouting the same script.
At least @ me. Strange to me why you are so concerned about another man possibly looking bad. Do you have a crush since he owned us woke libs.
 
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