OT: Who I'm voting for in this years presidential election.

LetsGoDuke301

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Have you ever considered the possibility that the president can't change anything because of Congress?

Just my opinion. But since I have been old enough to pay attention to these things, congress and whoever is the president at the time have gone back and forth blaming each other for not working together. This is not a right and left thing more than it is simply just an American politics thing. Created to unite, designed to divide.
 

Mark Gastineau

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Just my opinion. But since I have been old enough to pay attention to these things, congress and whoever is the president at the time have gone back and forth blaming each other for not working together. This is not a right and left thing more than it is simply just an American politics thing. Created to unite, designed to divide.
Not trying to go down this rabbit hole as I disagree with lots of you about politics, but I will say that the treatment of Merrick Garland is overwhelming proof of my earlier point. A historic moderate who was universally praised on both sides won't even get a hearing because of who nominated him.
 

Dattier

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Well, Dattier wants to go there, so I'll bite. I AM enthusiastic over Trump and I think it's downright stupid for half the **** he gets called out for. Just like the Mexican Judge issue. Sure it's all proper and sweet to gasp and says"oh my! That's so racial!" BS. It's the truth. He's being judged by a man who supports Hillary, even with donations, and is of Mexican Heritage and Trump has caused a lot of dissension amoung many Mexicans. If you think that Judge doesn't take those issues into his thought process, you are an absolute idiot. Trump just essentially calls it like he sees it and people, he doesn't get it wrong much. Now in today's TIME, oh yea it's wrong, because you can't tell the truth anymore . I'm sick and damn tired of people using their so called rights to do the wrong thing. I'd like to see people respecting this great country and its military. I'd like to see people respecting our flag. I'd like to see people coming into this country the right way, not skinning their back on some barbed wire while dragging in a sack of cocaine. I want to know our military can respond to any enemy with greater force than any other. Most of all, I just want Trump in to see how much of that dirt in congress he can sweep out. There's wayyyyy to much. I know Trump isn't President Material yet, but I think he can get there and he's famous for surrounding himself with the right people. He will. The Clintons are as underhanded and dirty as any duo on this planet, how anyone could support Hillary simply blows my mind. We are down to Trump and Hillary. Write ins and non votes are a vote for Hillary. So the bottom line is, you're still voting for one or the other. I'm voting Trump, at least there will BE change that way.
The insinuation that a person can't do their job impartially based on X, Y, or Z is a strawman fallacy rooted in ignorance and bigotry. Identify the actual issue -- what the judge did that was unfair -- instead of speculating about how he might do something unfair b/c of a demographic.
 
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Dat, I love you man, but drop the PC for a minute. Seriously, it's ok to call a certain person out for what they are. Take me for example. I'm white. Now , a white guy robs a store and I call him a sorry POS, nobody bats an eye. A black guy robs a store and I call him a sorry POS, I'm a racist. Trump feels he won't get a fair shake from that judge, I feel the exact same way. Lot's of folks do, and a lot of them are just like you....scared to admit it.
 

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LetsGoDuke301

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The insinuation that a person can't do their job impartially based on X, Y, or Z is a strawman fallacy rooted in ignorance and bigotry. Identify the actual issue -- what the judge did that was unfair -- instead of speculating about how he might do something unfair b/c of a demographic.

The whole point in Recusal is whether or not (in this case) the judge has the ability to remain impartial. It's completely based on speculation.
 

dbav

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Sorry everybody, I was wound up from something at work today, didn't mean to vent here. Truth is I like everyone here, so I apologize for that rant.
 
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I'm no racist. I am a realist. I hate thieves. They can be white, black, green pink, who cares. I hate people who are evil , break the law, have no respect for women or their elders, the list goes on and on. But you have to walk on eggshells because someone may call you down for being a racist. The Democrats are fueling a fire. They want as many people as they can to believe Trump is a racist. Judging by his lifestyle, women he's dated and married, people he has employed and befriended in his past, that's a damn joke.
 

skysdad

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dbav, I'll never hate you for who you vote for my friend. We all have a different point of view. I'm just giving mine.



I'm so sorry show because I feel the same way. I wish I hadn't started it. I thought the thread with Pedro might take a light heated look at the situation of this election. Should have know better and on a side bar take a look at the breakfast/lunch thread and see how you feel about it. You are one person I have to meet. OFC
 
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LetsGoDuke301

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I'll vote for her with enthusiasm. I would have voted for Bernie if I could, but her husband was responsible for the most economically prosperous period in my life time. Also, she doesn't think my brother should never be able to marry anyone because he's homosexual.

Frankly, those are the issues I care about. Supply side economics don't work. They have never worked. 3 presidents have used it and it launched our country into recession each time. The last one took a while to get out of.

An economy works when money is moving. The middle class is the one that spends the most. Bill Clinton was a reprehensible person, but he understood that. That's what we need because a couple buying a few extra Christmas or birthday presents, going on another vacation, or buying more things for their homes in a country with a population of 400,000,000 is how you get an economy going. You need to create demand. It does no good to generate supply when there is no one that can afford what's already there.

Also, f*** anyone who believes my brother is less of a person because of his sexual preference. I love him very much and he's one of the best people I know. Anyone who would say such a thing is already way out of his class as far as character and I would not vote for anyone who had a hand in making a marriage amendment the most important political conversation in America.

Didn't mean to make that personal, but I am pretty excited to vote for Hillary. I know my views are in the extreme minority on this board so I usually keep them to myself, but since this is the thread for it, I thought I'd share my position. I hope it doesn't offend anyone because that is not my intention.
I don't have to agree with you in order to respect your values. And in most cases, the only way you offend people is if you deliberately go out of your way to. Expressing your beliefs is not offensive IMO. Insulting others because of their's is.
 
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DukeDenver

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Judging by his lifestyle, women he's dated and married, people he has employed and befriended in his past, that's a damn joke.
This statement could easily be used to defend the judge against Trump's claims.

That said, the whole situation is not newsworthy IMO. Hilldog and Drumpf are both just crafting statements at this point. The theater of it all and the fact that is actually motivates people is what saddens me. I get that the issues are real, but man, the candidates are just vote grabbing.
 

dbav

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Damn it all, I promised myself I would not talk politics on this board. Damn you skys.

Haha, damn it to hell. Show, see my first post. I shall be benevolent dictator over all. I shall appoint you my Minister of Kickassery. Dat shall be Minister of Education. Dirt will be Minister of the Arts. All others here shall have assigned positions as well.

Duke games in any sport shall be declared national holidays, and missing one shall be punishable by trying to have a reasonable conversation on THR. Missing a Duke NC game is punishable by death.

All fans of UNCheat, Kensucky, and University of Burning Things Even When We're Happy (Maryland) shall immediately be imprisoned upon us taking power. However, prison will be general population. Kensucky fans will be armed with their one tooth, UNCheaters will be armed with their diplomas, and Marylanders will be armed with batteries. It should reduce the prison population.

We will cure all that ails everyone, haha.
 
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QC Dukie

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"Trump might be racist, but..."?
What Trump believes is that America isn't great. That's not what we need in a President. I'm not hearing much enthusiasm among those here saying they'll be voting for Trump. The GOP is stuck with him as their candidate b/c they spent 8 years trying to undermine and obstruct President Obama by criticizing every last thing they could and painting a picture of near apocalyptic doom for the country. When Trump grabbed the reins on that bandwagon of fear, they were powerless to stop him in the primary because they created that narrative.
Voted for Trump in the South Carolina primary and I am voting for him in the general election. I'm enthusiastic about it too!

OFC
 

Dattier

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Dat, I love you man, but drop the PC for a minute. Seriously, it's ok to call a certain person out for what they are. Take me for example. I'm white. Now , a white guy robs a store and I call him a sorry POS, nobody bats an eye. A black guy robs a store and I call him a sorry POS, I'm a racist. Trump feels he won't get a fair shake from that judge, I feel the exact same way. Lot's of folks do, and a lot of them are just like you....scared to admit it.
I love you right back, but telling me to "drop the PC" is insinuating that I'm not sincere. By extension, that line of logic ultimately leads to assuming that anyone who disagrees with you must be insincere. And you add "scared" to it, as well. smh
 

crazyduke3

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If he we go to bat against Vlad or Kim Jong whatever, who would you rather have? Trump or Hillary?

The question is not an endorsement for either, but I think a legit question our country will face.
 

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Well, Dat , if you are sincere, then my apologies. My stance still stands on the Judge, Trump NEVER gets a fair shake from him and saying that isn't racist to me, it's the truth. And people ARE scared to say how they really feel about someone of different race due to fear of being called a bigot, it's gotten absolutely ridiculous.
 
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gottagonow

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I've been fascinated with all the young voters Sanders has. From what I've seen he's promising free college tuition for everyone. Who's going to pay for that? I'm tired of all the free handouts that the working man has to help fund through their taxes. Everyone needs to get off their a$$ and make something for themselves and not be dependent on the government. As for me, I'm voting Trump.
Sanders voters? I would wager that most people under the age of 25 or so know hardly anything about the political system, how it affects them, their candidates stance on the issues, definitely nothing about the candidates past or history and how they have voted in congress and who they have destroyed to get where they are in the system. The majority of young people can tell you how a cell phone app works but they can't tell you who is Speaker of the House, Majority Leader, Minority Leader or even the Vice Presidents name.

I'll really piss many people off by saying all voters should be required to pass a competency test and at least get 7 out of 10 questions correctly before being allowed to vote. A vote by a non informed voter just wipes out the vote of a person who takes the political process to heart so they can make a wise choice.
 

Dattier

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That's a lot of assumptions.

Would one of those competency questions require people to know how to use a comb?
 
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Voting for Trump! This country needs someone who will stand up for what's right and support our veterans.Liberals have ruined our country and the media turns everything into a race issue.
 
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Dukesince90

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Show, I'm in agreement with you. I'm sick and tired of all the PC crap. We use to have freedom of speech, but if you hurt someone's feelings then you're in the wrong. I think most of us are sick of the politicians. I like what Bobby Knight said, "I'm not a Democrat and I'm not a Republican, I'm an American."
 

gottagonow

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If it's Teddy I agree.
I think we need another Ronald Reagan who most Americans would respect or even love. I think Trump is dangerous or either just likes to rile people up and Hillary cannot distinguish the truth from a lie and cannot be trusted about anything. She is just too despicable.
 
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QC Dukie

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I think we need another Ronald Reagan who most Americans would respect or even love. I think Trump is dangerous or either just likes to rile people up and Hillary cannot distinguish the truth from a lie and cannot be trusted about anything. She is just too despicable.
I pray everyday that I wake up tomorrow and Ronald Reagan is president again.

OFC
 

DukeDenver

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Too many Americans barely pay attention to the world, absorbing sound bites and headlines, then somehow feel empowered to make prudent decisions. That's why we're in this position. Having an opinion is more important than critical thought for most.
 

gottagonow

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Too many Americans barely pay attention to the world, absorbing sound bites and headlines, then somehow feel empowered to make prudent decisions. That's why we're in this position. Having an opinion is more important than critical thought for most.
I agree 1000 percent.
 

nupe300

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I'm no racist. I am a realist. I hate thieves. They can be white, black, green pink, who cares. I hate people who are evil , break the law, have no respect for women or their elders, the list goes on and on. But you have to walk on eggshells because someone may call you down for being a racist. The Democrats are fueling a fire. They want as many people as they can to believe Trump is a racist. Judging by his lifestyle, women he's dated and married, people he has employed and befriended in his past, that's a damn joke.

I normally don't reply to these political threads, but your commentary caught my attention. So you hate thieves but you like trump? That's very interesting. Did any judges prior to this one get recused in his other 1500 lawsuits, because they could have bias? If you don't view the numerous comments he has made about different races and nationalities, there is no way you can call it anything else. That being said he sues others for their comments al the time. That's sad. You are better off just saying you are voting with the party.
 

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Too many Americans barely pay attention to the world, absorbing sound bites and headlines, then somehow feel empowered to make prudent decisions. That's why we're in this position. Having an opinion is more important than critical thought for most.

It's all about self interest. A lot of people don't care otherwise.