I am listening and believing, but thanks to the Idiot Mitch there is not much we can hope for except that CMS learns and makes major changes, that the best players stay, and our coach can keep the recruiting class intact.
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I am listening and believing, but thanks to the Idiot Mitch there is not much we can hope for except that CMS learns and makes major changes, that the best players stay, and our coach can keep the recruiting class intact.
Conjecture?
This is a damn Internet message board. Good lord.
This program is a sinking ship and most people associated closely with UK know it. I'm actively awaiting the next horrible hire made my Mitch Barnhart. I've said it before, and I'll continue to say it. He has absolutely ZERO desire to win in any meaningful way at UK. His goal is to build something that can sustain 5 cupcakes and maybe pull out an sec win. He just wants small bowls, nothing more. The day we hire an athletic director with a will to win, we will. UK football has a lot going for it in 2015, we just need a man in charge to see it.
Our football fans, until they hold these types accountable, deserve losing and will continue to watch and support loser coaching staffs and loser teams.
Let's all just keep congratulating such a wonderful AD.
This is a damn Internet message board. Good lord.
This program is a sinking ship and most people associated closely with UK know it. I'm actively awaiting the next horrible hire made my Mitch Barnhart. I've said it before, and I'll continue to say it. He has absolutely ZERO desire to win in any meaningful way at UK. His goal is to build something that can sustain 5 cupcakes and maybe pull out an sec win. He just wants small bowls, nothing more. The day we hire an athletic director with a will to win, we will. UK football has a lot going for it in 2015, we just need a man in charge to see it.
Our football fans, until they hold these types accountable, deserve losing and will continue to watch and support loser coaching staffs and loser teams.
Let's all just keep congratulating such a wonderful AD.
I wish I could fire Mitch, because I want to see an AD who is bold enough and smart enough to make UK a winner in football. And no, I do not in any way wish to diminish our great basketball tradition.
Not sure of the locker room stuff but I do think we had a divide on the offense bc of the QB's.
If that's true it's a lack of leadership by both QB's. This can happen and sucks.
I personally do not want any of the wr's to transfer. Baker can be a monster if he gets his
Hand eye coordination down. The guy I worry about is Kemp. With Snell and Rose coming in next year, carriers are going to be slim for him.
He's another with loads of talent. We shall see.
If that's true it's a lack of leadership by both QB's. This can happen and sucks.
I personally do not want any of the wr's to transfer. Baker can be a monster if he gets his
Hand eye coordination down. The guy I worry about is Kemp. With Snell and Rose coming in next year, carriers are going to be slim for him.
He's another with loads of talent. We shall see.
You can't really believe this? Why would an AD not want to win in a meaningful way? That is completely illogical. Every AD desperately wants to win. No AD would set goals to be mediocre. That is just a ridiculous notion. Building a football program at UK is an extremely difficult job and when you say that the AD just doesn't care or we could build a winning program, it ignores that fact and disrespects the effort that everyone associated with the program puts into trying to change what has historically been a bottom feeder. The shape of the this program isn't on the current AD. It has been this way for decades and it will take something extraordinary to change it.
All teams have a bit of attrition. Until more players transfer stop referring to it as "mass transfers" people make it sound like 20 players are going to jump ship. If 3 or 4 troublemakers follow, then that will only help us, not hurt us. We need players who are buying into the program and giving their best efforts. Towles deserves our respect and well wishes. He was far from being a cancer and handled his demotion admirably. But it's also why he chose to leave and do what's best for him and his future.
Part of the divide was that Towles was a joker recruit and had certain players commit here partly because of him, just as Barker had when he came here. There is a certain amount of leftover loyalty to one player or another and that helped create a divide. Yes there are some other aspects off the coaching staff and how things are run that need to be evaluated as well, and you can bet Stoops will make some of those moves in the off season, but if there are cancers in the locker room or players who aren't buying in 100% then they need to look elsewhere.
Part of the divide was that Towles was a joker recruit and had certain players commit here partly because of him, just as Barker had when he came here. There is a certain amount of leftover loyalty to one player or another and that helped create a divide. Yes there are some other aspects off the coaching staff and how things are run that need to be evaluated as well, and you can bet Stoops will make some of those moves in the off season, but if there are cancers in the locker room or players who aren't buying in 100% then they need to look elsewhere.
I guarantee you that Boom leaving would be infinitely more "subtraction" than "addition". He's easily the best offensive threat we've had since Cobb.
Boom is truely electric when heathy. Stoops has to get our oline straightened out and the wr
have to block too. Boom is literally getting beat up bc of our lackluster line. I hope they all stay an mature as a team.
have to block too. Boom is literally getting beat up bc of our lackluster line. I hope they all stay an mature as a team.
If Boom plays 12 games he's a 1000 yard rusher and making some lists. Maybe not in from to Derek Henry or Nick Chubb, but his explosiveness definitely merits being in the all-conference conversation, so don't go there. I hope Boom stays and I hope he gets his head on straight.
Complete dumb and piss me off for single out our best player by far on roster whose only blemish is his behavior in the Mizzou game. Other than that, the kid has been a warrior on the field, team leader off the field. Even in his 1 game suspension...was the first one on the bench encouraging JoJo and others. And then you fail to mention the kid gutted it out very hard to come back from injury in UT game with a bad wing.
We had a bad season....but Boom is an awesome RB. His only wart is he takes negative rushes with his style of running....but that is also a product of having to pull rushing yards out of his butt due to inconsistent OL play.
Stoops said after the UL game that the offseason would be hard and they had to get better mentally and some people may not and will leave. Sounds like he already knew this was coming so I'm not too concerned.
I do wish we found reps for Snodgrass but I'm also comfortable where we are at WR.
The simple truth is that if they are leaving, regardless of talent or contribution they were a cancer for the coaches because they could not have been on the same page as the coaches.
I do wish we found reps for Snodgrass but I'm also comfortable where we are at WR.
The simple truth is that if they are leaving, regardless of talent or contribution they were a cancer for the coaches because they could not have been on the same page as the coaches.
I DO NOT think any AD (mostly bb) in my lifetime have been exactly that way...did not care as long as they could get Fannies in the seats...fans had to revolt to get Joker released and MS being able to get all the things done that Coach Brooks was promised...it may take another to get the rest done
I have no inside info but with the way he goes about himself on the field I think its a good bet he's a real cancer to the team. I wish he'd go away too.
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There are any number of people here who actually are hoping for this. If these jokers are UK fans, I'd be really surprised. Generally you find the low post number crowd saying this sort of stuff.
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But the talent is there to make the difference between a 4 win season or a 6-7 win season.. He is one guy that could demand safety help and free up others.. He just needs to grow up,also the right coach could get it out of him IMO... In our program it appears discipline is lacking and it shows up worse in guys that don't have self discipline...
Id say youll see at least one more WR leave. Probably Bone. Maybe a TE. Horton too? I really dont see where he fits this offense, especially with the fumbles. Any others would be a surprise to me.
Id say if Montgomery does anything, its walk away from football.
Exactly. The guys had problems with drops. But so have other WRs. He put it tons of effort. Sacrificed his body on many WR screens. Incredibly gifted.
Id say if Montgomery does anything, its walk away from football.
Exactly. The guys had problems with drops. But so have other WRs. He put it tons of effort. Sacrificed his body on many WR screens. Incredibly gifted.
That's what happens when the mentally challenged quarterback locks onto the same receiver every time and looks nowhere else. If Johnson had got the same love he probably would've doubled old butter fingers' numbers.
Boom??? WTF??? Why in the sam hell would anybody want him to leave. It looked to me that him and JoJo were the only two that gave 100% every time on offense
Im actually insulted that all fans cant see Baker is/was the problem...the guy gave little to no effort many times...not the kinf of player i want on my team yet Stoops kept throwing him out there
I don't want anyone to leave by name, I just want to have 25 open scholarships available so Stoops can load up the class again. Once we have 25 open then keep everyone we can.
We need another top 20 class this year!!!!!!
We need another top 20 class this year!!!!!!
My God is it really that hard for you?
We collect hella revenue from the SEC and our fans show up to an alarming top 25 attendance lots of years. we also don't have to win in any real meaningful way to walk away with Alabama bowl money.
Mitch Barnhart couldn't care less about winning big for UK football. It's not in his interest.
People, wake the hell up or you will never see a reliable football program.
You're completely clueless. If football was winning it would mean $10's of millions of more $$ and thus allow athletics to do a lot of the things they'd like to do like finally build the baseball stadium they have been wanting for the last 15 years.
Winning only makes the job easier and more pleasant. Anyone who says that Mitch or any other AD "doesn't care" is a clueless idiot.
Let's see. 06/07 teams had Peters and Pryor,Woodyard, Tamme, Johnson - all still in NFL , along with better QB and Raffy who was slightly better than Boom. Not to mention the above listed Kelly and McClinton and a better OLine. If Lumpkin really thinks this team has more talent, I don't want what he is smoking!
I can tell who has played or coached football at a high level by the responses to this thread, if your most productive offensive player is one of the cancers you have to deal with it, Stoops didn't, the locker room divide was the subsequent fallout transpired upperclassmen vs sophomore RS freshman class, severe ties with the cancers is the only route
Baker is easily our most talented receiver. I spoke with a former UK receiver who has collected a pretty good sum of NFL money earlier this year and he thought that Baker would be leaving for the NFL after three years. Then something went wrong, the Baker who use to smash defenders with crushing blocks as a freshman, so much so that CMS suspended him for his block against LSU, started whiffing on blocks. Whatever is going on with Dorian I hope he gets it straightened out and reaches his full potential.
The buck stops with the AD. Ours just doesn't have what it takes to turn this ship around.
Sounds like most have put Baker in the crosshairs. We really do not know anything other than what we see on the field. Baker may drop balls and take a play off, other than that I'm not sure we want him booted out.
It's just doesn't make sense to me that we need to give up on Freshman and Sophomores so early. Hopefully the receivers as a group can improve by Fall camp.
It's just doesn't make sense to me that we need to give up on Freshman and Sophomores so early. Hopefully the receivers as a group can improve by Fall camp.
Tough to block when blocking too hard may get you suspended BY YOUR OWN COACHES.
I still think that decision was the beginning of the end (to date) of this staff as a whole. Who suspends players for hitting to hard?
I can't think of a better question to be asked on a Stoops call-in-show..... Dale!!!! Dale!!! where are you????
As to who might be cancers and/or how the team is divided is pure speculation by anyone on this board unless they have a direct in to the locker room.
Again, something that is pure speculation.
What is said, what reasons are given inside the locker room and out of the locker room is often 180 degrees opposed.
I don't think the kid has any reason to read your posts, but just in case, I want him to know most UK fans are not dumb enough to want him to leave.