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based on where they finished in the big 3 sports and then averaged those, we were pretty good this year. Granted, you get pretty complicated breaking the 5 way tie for 7th in football, and it's a little unfair for MSU, for example, to get the points for finishing 11th due to the head to head tiebreaker at 7th in football. Granted, we were tied for 4th in basketball and got the points for finishing 6th due to a head to head tiebreaker there too.
Rank Team Football Basketball Baseball Average
1 Florida 2 4 1 2.33
2t Alabama 1 8 7 5.33
2t Ole Miss 4 6 6 5.33
4t Tennessee 5 3 10 6.00
4t Arkansas 7 7 4 6.00
6t South Carolina 8 9 2 6.33
6t Kentucky 9 1 9 6.33
6t Vanderbilt 12 2 5 6.33
9t LSU 3 12 8 7.67
9t Auburn 10 10 3 7.67
11 MSU 11 5 11 9.00
12 Georgia 6 11 12 9.67
Rank Team Football Basketball Baseball Average
1 Florida 2 4 1 2.33
2t Alabama 1 8 7 5.33
2t Ole Miss 4 6 6 5.33
4t Tennessee 5 3 10 6.00
4t Arkansas 7 7 4 6.00
6t South Carolina 8 9 2 6.33
6t Kentucky 9 1 9 6.33
6t Vanderbilt 12 2 5 6.33
9t LSU 3 12 8 7.67
9t Auburn 10 10 3 7.67
11 MSU 11 5 11 9.00
12 Georgia 6 11 12 9.67
our facilities for minor sports are atrocious. We play volleyball in the AnimalHusbandry building. Softball can't host because the facility is so bad. Soccer has a decent playing field but no dressing rooms.Do any of the women even have a locker room? I don't think so.Nobody wants to spend money on minor sports, but, hell, the women need some sort offacility.
I don't care much about the minor sports, but might show up if we fielded decent teams. I'vewatched track in the recent past. Of course, I didn't know I was sitting insoon-to-be-condemned stands.
So it's not surprising at all that we're dead last in the SEC.Only way to improve our standing is for football to be succesful.
I don't care much about the minor sports, but might show up if we fielded decent teams. I'vewatched track in the recent past. Of course, I didn't know I was sitting insoon-to-be-condemned stands.
So it's not surprising at all that we're dead last in the SEC.Only way to improve our standing is for football to be succesful.
I liked the aggressive marketing he brought to the table, but we sucked or underacheved in almost every sport this year (besides track and womens basketball). Byrne's hiring of Cohen is very questionable at this point, and although everyone still likes the direction the football program is heading, we have still yet to see if it was truly a good hire.
The man..the myth...the legend..Greg Byrne...hmmmm
The man..the myth...the legend..Greg Byrne...hmmmm
so our underachieving in basketball had nothing to do with Greg Bryne. Our softball team usually goes to regionals but just seemed to have a down year. Hell, our coach is the US National coach. Byrne hired Mullen so I don't see how we can ***** about football.
And while I think the Cohen hire will end up being a collossal failure, almost anyone not named independencebowlmainstay would have hired Cohen had they been in Byrne's shoes.
And while I think the Cohen hire will end up being a collossal failure, almost anyone not named independencebowlmainstay would have hired Cohen had they been in Byrne's shoes.
but even though I laid out the case on here against Cohen and for O'Connor, no one really went with me. But I still hope he is able to succeed at State.
was going to force changes of some sort with Stansbury staff. You can't fire a coach who wins 2/3 of his game every year.
Add to the fact that he had been to back to back NCAA's.
Add to the fact that he had been to back to back NCAA's.
but if we are going to talk about top tier pipe dreams then yes, it gets debatable. Hell, we should have hired George Horton or Tim Corbin.
But the Cohen hire was somewhat of a no brainer AT THE TIME. Proven success, wanted to be here. So regardless of anythign else, I can't fault Greg for that hire at all.
Sometimes things just don't work out. Jeremy Foley hired Ron Zook. Jurich is considered a great AD and he hired Steve Kragthorpe.
But the Cohen hire was somewhat of a no brainer AT THE TIME. Proven success, wanted to be here. So regardless of anythign else, I can't fault Greg for that hire at all.
Sometimes things just don't work out. Jeremy Foley hired Ron Zook. Jurich is considered a great AD and he hired Steve Kragthorpe.
...there were rumors of Byrne and Stansbury not getting along. When it was time to force changes, we had a lame duck AD.
We really needed some assistant coaching changes to happen this year, and Stricklin's not really in a position to do that right now.
We really needed some assistant coaching changes to happen this year, and Stricklin's not really in a position to do that right now.
We have 13, they have 12.
When you break it down to total teams (Men and Women Cross County, Women Indoor Track and Field, Men and Women Track and Field) we have 16 teams.
Here is a comparison of the sports offered per SEC schools last year when looking at the Director Cup Rankings
When you break it down to total teams (Men and Women Cross County, Women Indoor Track and Field, Men and Women Track and Field) we have 16 teams.
Here is a comparison of the sports offered per SEC schools last year when looking at the Director Cup Rankings
but we were not going to get him and will not get him in the future. Now, McDonnell at Louisville is another matter. And there are plenty other fine choices out there that would have been just as good, if not better, than Cohen. You have to consider just how prestigious UVA is in the overall big picture. Not just in the athletic realm. I have no idea how much money he makes, but I don't see him making the move down here.
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that O'Conner would want to be in the same conference as his mentor Manieri where he would have to compete against him for recruits as well as in the standings. They seem to be pretty close. That may sound silly on the outset, but Paul Gregory and Boo Ferris had a similar type agreement because of their friendship, and we didn't play Delta State in baseball for years because of it. At the same time it may or may not be an issue, but it's something to think about.
Another thing I have to wonder with it being Virginia is just how pissed off is John Grisham at MSU baseball. If he ever finds out that we are going after anyone assiociated with Virginia baseball, he may very well offer to toss in some extra money to help UVA with the bidding war should it ever come to that.
I'm not even sure if McDonnell would want to leave Louisville where he can dominate the Big East every year for the SEC.
And maybe they would, because at the same time, I think it would be worth asking both of them at the very least. The worst thing they or anyone else can do is say no.
My stance at this time regarding whoever the next baseball coach is that whoever it is needs to be from outside the MSU baseball family- certainly both O'Conner and McDonnell would satisfy that- and they need to have experience. Although, I will also say that a top level assistant from somewhere like Clemson would be perfectly acceptable as well, but as in any job, experience is preferred. If we hire a top flight assistant, I'm not going to shoot an e-mail to Stricklin that says WTF? is all I'm asying. Honestly, if things continue the way that they are, we're probably realistically looking at hiring someone from some place like Southeast Louisiana- not that that would be a bad thing at all, but it's hardly Brian O'Conner at Virginia as well.
from outside of the Bulldog family. A top assistant from a premier program would probably fine also. Look at what UF has done with the Clemson assistant. You are probably right, Todd, that Grisham could very well step up and give the 'ol middle finger to anyone, including us, that comes after O'Connor. With the situation we are presently in, McDonnell could also be out of the picture, but I think he would give us serious consideration. What is really depressing is that we are even discussing this scenario right now.
and McDonnell is the fact that they could probably match any offer that we throw at McDonnell. But I do agree that he would probably at least give us some consideration, and honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if O'Conner gave us some consideration as well. If nothing else, they could use us as leverage to make more money. I couldn't blame them for that. And who knows? They could say yes just as easily as they could say no. They can't say yes if we don't pursue them.
We won't have to seriously talk about this for at least two more years though. I think Cohen better hope that he can water down the schedule enough and that Butch doesn't <17> up Stratton like he did Bowen and Routt. At least that's where I would be right now if I was him. You can say what you will about the pitching and I can say what I will about the defense, but these pasts two seasons are probably at least winning seasons if Bowen has his head screwed on straight and if we hadn't messed with Routt. That's actually why I want Butch gone more than anything myself. Scary thing to me is from reading Cohen's comments today, it sure doesn't sound to me like he's going to fire Butch based on what I was reading, so unless Butch leaves on his own which is possible....we'll see.
And honestly, to me that's the most distressing thing that I've seen out of this coaching staff- is messing up ace pitchers that are key guys for us.
At any rate, I feel like we're at least getting some good players into the program now, and whether Cohen coaches them or Jay Artigues does, I don't really care as long as Polk is away from the program.
We won't have to seriously talk about this for at least two more years though. I think Cohen better hope that he can water down the schedule enough and that Butch doesn't <17> up Stratton like he did Bowen and Routt. At least that's where I would be right now if I was him. You can say what you will about the pitching and I can say what I will about the defense, but these pasts two seasons are probably at least winning seasons if Bowen has his head screwed on straight and if we hadn't messed with Routt. That's actually why I want Butch gone more than anything myself. Scary thing to me is from reading Cohen's comments today, it sure doesn't sound to me like he's going to fire Butch based on what I was reading, so unless Butch leaves on his own which is possible....we'll see.
And honestly, to me that's the most distressing thing that I've seen out of this coaching staff- is messing up ace pitchers that are key guys for us.
At any rate, I feel like we're at least getting some good players into the program now, and whether Cohen coaches them or Jay Artigues does, I don't really care as long as Polk is away from the program.