When last year's recruiting class started to fall apart I was angry at the defectors. I was wrong. I think this year's class is getting ready to bolt big time and this time I don't blame them at all. I've never been fooled so much by a head coach and staff that have no clue. If any of our recruits sign with Stoops they will fail. If they desire to play at UK that is their right but they are signing up for football career suicide.
Our recruiting class is going, going, gone.
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Yeah our coaches can't out anyone in the league. Heck bud ended up a first round pick (credits it to stoops). Z got drafted, Westry is a big time pro prospect (was a late addition because of a de commit, Conrad is a NFL player. Toth will get a nice look also.
Joe Crawford credited the nut Billy G with making him a great player too. Bud was actually labeled as an underachiever on the field and that was the main knock on him coming out. Scouts couldn't believe he had as many god given talents as he did and could somehow disappear for long stretches of the game.
Did Crawford ever make the league? Gillespie first team over achieved. Once paterson got hurt the only big on the team was perry Stevenson. Crawford and Bradley both grew up quite a bit that year also. But that's a different story. Year two could be no worse for basketball team and Clyde refusing to kiss the ground the boosters walked on was his personal/professional undoing!
The thread here a couple weeks ago showed what upper class man talent that came is was really laking. We have filled some temporary gaps to make us somewhat competive from the Jr college ranks, but staff has made some players nice money. And will continue. I think Forrest (was a wr and has developed into a pretty good lb from this staff and stamps can maybe find the right system to play on the league. The freshman class has a couple NFL players but they are just that, freshman. We have to find diamond in the rough and the previous staff was mining in thin air.
Kentucky is getting the third at best rate players from big football states. So for us to make a rapid accend up the ladder we need for ky to produce 30-45 sec players a year. Or build a program with consitency. That will take 4-5 years of 7 and 8 win football, before you can make a year in, year out 10 win program. Each year you win and get better the next class should also improve. But freshman and sophomores are not going to compete
In the sec. We are getting better talent for us, but still getting out talented by other sec teams. But our fans expect our less talented underclass man to out perform more bigger, faster, and older experienced players in our conference.
The thread here a couple weeks ago showed what upper class man talent that came is was really laking. We have filled some temporary gaps to make us somewhat competive from the Jr college ranks, but staff has made some players nice money. And will continue. I think Forrest (was a wr and has developed into a pretty good lb from this staff and stamps can maybe find the right system to play on the league. The freshman class has a couple NFL players but they are just that, freshman. We have to find diamond in the rough and the previous staff was mining in thin air.
Kentucky is getting the third at best rate players from big football states. So for us to make a rapid accend up the ladder we need for ky to produce 30-45 sec players a year. Or build a program with consitency. That will take 4-5 years of 7 and 8 win football, before you can make a year in, year out 10 win program. Each year you win and get better the next class should also improve. But freshman and sophomores are not going to compete
In the sec. We are getting better talent for us, but still getting out talented by other sec teams. But our fans expect our less talented underclass man to out perform more bigger, faster, and older experienced players in our conference.
Our best hope is for stoops to make it work. What program maintains good results in the power five by going through coaches every two/three years. Mitch took a chance that stoops is the right man long term. We had to show him we thought that in case he is successful. If not look at what happened when Franklin left vandy. Power 5 teams sustain success with coaches using them as a turnstile to bigger jobs.
I'm thinking they're gone and while I hope they don't bolt I know in my heart they're hurting themselves to stick it out. Our schedule next year is brutal compared to this year and the coaching staff will continue to drag this program down. UK football has reached an all time low and I thought we were as bad as we could get. CMS has proven me wrong.
Anyone trying to make an argument for BCG getting a raw deal at UK is laughable. His top recruit was Daniel Euton who averaged 5ppg at Asbury. Back to football though. If you have seen anything impressive as far as on the field coaching goes then please elaborate on it. We are not going to out talent the majority of the SEC and with that being said we can't go in with less talent and less competence on the sideline too. There are a few coaches out there that can win with less.talent and hopefully Stoops is one that can do that. The SEC was a bad as we may ever see it this year and the team we put on the field should of done better than it did.
sorry, UL and Vandy don't have more talent than we do, and Eastern should have never been competitive. We could have easily lost that one...frankly, we should have! The excuses only go so far!
But all of our sec talent is young. Our freshman and sophomores are having to compete week in and week out, with less depth against players who are more skilled. The previous staff hit like Adam Dunn on the recruiting trail. Mainly striking out. At jk we can have one class here and here that that fails to produce, but we can't have three or four in a row.
Since MB made that stupid move after beating a bad South Carolina team our only option is to see if it works. Stoops could of still left if he wanted to regardless of the extension. Franklin didn't leave Vandy because they were not committed to him. To my understanding, Stoops is not under any financial burden if he even had the opportunity to leave us for a better job. MB screwed up on that one.
You're actually defending Barnhart's decision? Looks like Vandy is doing fine, they beat us again, this time without Franklin.
What have you seen out of Stoops' recruits on the field that would make you continue to buy all of the hype around recruiting?
Chris Westry will be one of the best corners to come through uk. Conrad will make a lot of money playing football. (Not many te can block from backfield, line outside, or from standard te set) He fills both a fullback, wr and te role. Boom will be a situational back/kick returner. I have liked west a lot at safety. Beaty hasn't been bad at corner either for a true freshman.
Pretty much this, we can rearrange deck chairs all we want, the real problem is and always has been all the 2 star would-be MAC and Sun Belt players we run out there every week.
Last year class has a few kids who are sec talent. Problem is we are depending on those to compete now, before they completely develope.
I'm worried as much about our x's and o's than our Jimmie's and Joe's right now. Nothing this staff has shown me this year makes me think that they will out scheme anyone in the SEC or the guy just up the road from us that abused him today.
EKU, ULL, and Vandy didn't have more talent than us.
None of them are on the line. You can get by in the SEC with a big line and an average QB, not the other way around.
Look at our recruiting focus right now. Most is ok the line. I agree line is the most important, but you have to have a punchers chance to attract those lineman.
Getting your skill guys first, and getting them the ball in space (we have struggled at this, other then zone read by boom and a few screen passes and some of those were drops). When lineman see the chance at a homerun play, they tend to get alittle more excited. The days of three yards and a cloud of dust are gone. Those plays don't make sports center. A lineman wants to see his pancake block that propels the back to a 99 yd td run.
Getting your skill guys first, and getting them the ball in space (we have struggled at this, other then zone read by boom and a few screen passes and some of those were drops). When lineman see the chance at a homerun play, they tend to get alittle more excited. The days of three yards and a cloud of dust are gone. Those plays don't make sports center. A lineman wants to see his pancake block that propels the back to a 99 yd td run.
Couldn't disagree more, both in philosophy and in my opinion of the mindset of linemen.
I thought some of our freshmen showed some major promise. I've been impressed with Sihiem King's kickoff returns. Since Cobb was drafted we've not found that true athlete who can do it all, but King might be that return guy.
Westry was by far my favorite defensive player (Conrad was my favorite offensive). Big kid, nice coverage skills, good hands too.
Conrad needs a little more blocking practice and a lot more passes to going his way. Conrad and Long have that te, fb, wr type skill. Long I thought played well in the backfield.
I'd like to see Horton play fb with Boom and Jojo with him. Horton or Conrad/Long would work well at fb if we had passes to the fb. I don't think Horton needs that much running room to get going. He reminds me a bit of our old fb's John Conner and Alexis Bwenge.
Westry was by far my favorite defensive player (Conrad was my favorite offensive). Big kid, nice coverage skills, good hands too.
Conrad needs a little more blocking practice and a lot more passes to going his way. Conrad and Long have that te, fb, wr type skill. Long I thought played well in the backfield.
I'd like to see Horton play fb with Boom and Jojo with him. Horton or Conrad/Long would work well at fb if we had passes to the fb. I don't think Horton needs that much running room to get going. He reminds me a bit of our old fb's John Conner and Alexis Bwenge.
By going on that the big ten would attract all the lineman. They still try to play the three yds and a cloud of dust. Lineman both o and d are so much more athletic now and want to showcase that. Just my opinion. And he new spread read type offenses showcase that.
You mean like "Drop the ball Timmons", "Chuck the ball Forrest", and "Ignore the ball Harmon".
Based on tweets, looks like we will lose some but keep most. Honestly, if that happens you have to call it a victory at this point. And I dont blame the defectors at all.
You have it backwards. We've always had great skill guys, but that doesnt equal wins. Never has. Instead teams like LSU have great OL and a QB who cant throw the ball in the ocean, and still win 9 games a year in the toughest division in the toughest conference.
You have it backwards. We've always had great skill guys, but that doesnt equal wins. Never has. Instead teams like LSU have great OL and a QB who cant throw the ball in the ocean, and still win 9 games a year in the toughest division in the toughest conference.
I like King but I think he makes poor decisions on when to return the ball and when to down it for a touchback! Love Westry, Conrad is a great blocker, I agree he needs the ball thrown his way more often, he gets a lot of yac. Horton needs to hold on to the ball, Pat needs to quit throwing so many picks, D needs to stop people especially on third down, Offense needs to move the ball, again especially on third don. The specials team...