Our TE commit visiting Texass....
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Awesome. I take that to mean we're recruiting kids good enough that the top programs are trying to poach them. Beats him visiting Kansas.
They are scrambling to come up with a recruiting class this year...hopefully Texas only poaches one of our recruits.
There may be a lot of shake up here in the next couple of months... If we lose out on him it also make room for someone else. Right now we are in on some high profile players.
I never like to see a kid leave us this late in the process, but then again it may not hurt that bad this year.
That's true but TE is a real position of need for us.
I'll just say that it is nice to be battling other Blue Bloods late in the process for top flight recruits rather than MAC, Sunbelt and FCS schools for recruits.
Why is it, if a NU commit goes and makes a late visit to another school, he's assumed "gone"?
Yet, if the huskers host a player late whose already committed to another school, it's perceived as a "long shot, nice try, but he's not coming here... at least we got him to visit"?
Also, why is it perceived that our TE production will be taking a big hit next year? Look @ the 2016 stats. Not that impressive.
Between Carter, Cotton, & Foster... Passing game: 26 receptions for 249 yds. & 2 TDs. Also, 2 rushes for 25 yards. These are not world beater type of numbers. Maybe people's concern revolves more around missing the blocking from TE. Because I just don't understand why everyone thinks the drop off @ TE is going to be terrible. If I didn't know any better, I'd think we were losing Jordan Reed or something.
All, I am saying is don't sleep on Engelhaupt & Stoll. Mark my words and come back in a year, 2017 TE wont match 2016 offensive production, they will exceed it. The scheme change next year alone will boast production. And what exactly are we losing? A walk-on, a glorified walk-on, and an injury prone good player with the potential to be a great player? And that's no knock on Foster, Cotton, and definitely not on Carter. I am just trying to state that the days a head for TE @ NU are likely much better. And IMO it's not something that will eventually be, it will be better next year.
Yet, if the huskers host a player late whose already committed to another school, it's perceived as a "long shot, nice try, but he's not coming here... at least we got him to visit"?
Also, why is it perceived that our TE production will be taking a big hit next year? Look @ the 2016 stats. Not that impressive.
Between Carter, Cotton, & Foster... Passing game: 26 receptions for 249 yds. & 2 TDs. Also, 2 rushes for 25 yards. These are not world beater type of numbers. Maybe people's concern revolves more around missing the blocking from TE. Because I just don't understand why everyone thinks the drop off @ TE is going to be terrible. If I didn't know any better, I'd think we were losing Jordan Reed or something.
All, I am saying is don't sleep on Engelhaupt & Stoll. Mark my words and come back in a year, 2017 TE wont match 2016 offensive production, they will exceed it. The scheme change next year alone will boast production. And what exactly are we losing? A walk-on, a glorified walk-on, and an injury prone good player with the potential to be a great player? And that's no knock on Foster, Cotton, and definitely not on Carter. I am just trying to state that the days a head for TE @ NU are likely much better. And IMO it's not something that will eventually be, it will be better next year.
I'd like to know the same. Of course, I already know the answer. Everything must be looked at in the most negative way for us on here. I well remember when Jordan Westerkamp visited Notre Dame late. People on here were falling all over themselves declaring him gone. I mean he was as gone as anybody could ever be. There was absolutely no chance he was going to stick with us. Or so the people who always look at everything in the most negative way possible for us said.
Shelvin coming to NU is a long shot because he's been committed to LSU for basically forever, and its his hometown school and also generally perceived as an SEC powerhouse program.
Leitao leaving NU for Austin is far less of a long shot, considering the new coach in town and the general "home" feeling of being in the SW.
Since most of our players are "imported", we almost always will be on the side of the ledger that is fighting the "home school". Which means we most always will be fighting at a disadvantage against schools that have similar resources as us. We still win our share as Westy demonstrates.
Leitao leaving NU for Austin is far less of a long shot, considering the new coach in town and the general "home" feeling of being in the SW.
Since most of our players are "imported", we almost always will be on the side of the ledger that is fighting the "home school". Which means we most always will be fighting at a disadvantage against schools that have similar resources as us. We still win our share as Westy demonstrates.
Well here is the answer to your question @spinner4
Committing to Nebraska is not something that is done on a whim. Relationships are built, etc. you have to want to go there. So when a kid decides to look elsewhere after that tells you that they are questioning their commitment. When a kid from say Texas is committed to Texas or a kid from Cali is committed to USC, they are typically visiting Nebraska to see if there is just something special they can't pass up where they are currently committed.
I grew up in Texas. After college I was offered a job in Austin and had decided I would take it. At the last second, I was offered a a chance to interview for a position in Joliet, IL. I went on the interview but really just to see what it was about. The company in Austin told me to go check it out and let them know. They knew I would take their job.
Now had I been offered the job in Joliet first, and decided to take it, then offered the Austin opportunity, I doubt the company in Joliet would have thought, I bet we keep this dude.
Same thing.
Committing to Nebraska is not something that is done on a whim. Relationships are built, etc. you have to want to go there. So when a kid decides to look elsewhere after that tells you that they are questioning their commitment. When a kid from say Texas is committed to Texas or a kid from Cali is committed to USC, they are typically visiting Nebraska to see if there is just something special they can't pass up where they are currently committed.
I grew up in Texas. After college I was offered a job in Austin and had decided I would take it. At the last second, I was offered a a chance to interview for a position in Joliet, IL. I went on the interview but really just to see what it was about. The company in Austin told me to go check it out and let them know. They knew I would take their job.
Now had I been offered the job in Joliet first, and decided to take it, then offered the Austin opportunity, I doubt the company in Joliet would have thought, I bet we keep this dude.
Same thing.
Do you realize that Tulsa is closer to Lincoln than it is to Austin? This is a kid that has moved around a lot growing up-I don't think the Southwest is really home to him that much.
I don't think it really matters the geography of Tulsa and whether its a couple more hours one way or the other.
Tulsa is a SW town. Lincoln is not. If he does like the SW region, the fact that he's a handful less hours in a car towards Lincoln isn't going to change his mind much.
I hope the young man truly does love it here and is just taking a look around Herman's new empire. But I think we're operating at the disadvantage here.
Like I said, he didn't grow up in the area. He's moved around a lot with his dad being a basketball coach. Tulsa is the first Southwest area he's lived in. I really don't see that as a factor.
Well moving around a lot helps, but not being a SW native doesn't mean he has a "take it or leave it attitude" about the area. (Anecdote, most people's first trip from the Midwest to a tropical area typically has a very positive impression).
Certainly we're both speculating as to what he might prefer.
Since the general migration of folks (athlete or not) is continually pouring southward, if I had to lay money on the general odds, he would probably choose South over North, given roughly equivalent circumstances at NU and UT (playtime, quality of education, etc).
And the location of the school is really only one aspect. Tom Herman taking over UT is an exciting event, he may want to be a part of it.
This is answering(or trying to answer with an analogy) a specific situation. It doesn't answer the general question. Ever since I've been on here, almost every commit of ours that visits another school-any player visiting any other school regardless of what school or where they are from is assumed to be gone. Yet almost every time somebody that is committed to another school-regardless of where they are committed or where they are from is perceived as a longshot to come here. That outlook to me just comes from the general negativity that most people who post on here have.
He's dad's currently the bball coach at DePaul in Chicago. His mom will likely move there when he graduates high school. Chicago is much closer to Nebraska than Texas.
Yah I'm pulling for all these extras to add up. We're really going to need this kid early and often.
Tropical area? We're talking about Oklahoma and central Texas, not Florida or southern California.
That's a general theme among most boards I visit, which are mostly Midwestern schools that import top talent.
There's far less hand wringing about Shelvin on the LSU board. Or a Cali kid on the USC board, etc.
That was just an example, just because its my first time in Hawaii, doesn't mean I can't possibly prefer that place to my home land or some other region I lived in for a while. I was not trying to say living in Austin is like living in Hawaii literally.
And yet those schools lose their share of commitments too. Decommitments happen to everybody-nobody is immune to it.
Exact same reason our Military is considered "war weary" and the bad guys are "battle hardened"....a simple bias.
Yah although you have to admit that we're little bit gun shy about cracking back into that top echelon of recruiting because there are not 25 kids coming out of Beatrice every year, whereas LSU can afford to be a little more non-chalant about it.
If we lose a good get, its very hard to replace. Especially late. Riley will probably find a competent replacement if it comes down to that, in Leitao's case, we really would need a replacement that is ready to play as a true frosh tho. We may not get that.
The first paragraph answers the general question. The second part was my real life experience not an analogy.
Its not always just bias. Our guys were pretty burnt out. There's a difference fighting indefinitely from your back porch and going halfway round the world and fighting forever.
We have the best military in the world and they do what it takes to get the job done, but there's really only so much of "I finally came home and my baby is in grade school now" that the modern military will be able to absorb (among all the other sections of the population that vote).
It doesn't answer the general question to me because it posits two specific situations-a player from Texas committed to Texas looking at us or a player from California committed to USC looking at us. There are so many other possibilities that don't fit one of those two. But I've already essentially answered the question anyway-the general pervasive negativity on this board is why people assume any commit of ours that visits elsewhere is gone and any commit of any other school that visits here is a longshot.
IMO there is almost never a general case on here. People eat up recruiting like no one's business. No recruit visits here where his background is a blank slate except in the case of a surprise visit like the JUCO safety and people just don't have time to dig it up.
You know before hand that XYZ recruit isn't likely to leave the South or has a great relationship with such and such coaches at another school or whatever. (Heck, the OWH ran an article in the paper talking about Shelvin and in his own words and how it was a coup just to get him to visit, let alone, our chances at a flip).Being "negative" about Shelvin's chances isn't really bias, its where he's at right now. (I actually put in a prediction in another thread that we get Shelvin and/or Filiaga as surprise flips).
The LB Slade is one of the more "blank slate" recruits we've had sign up for a visit in a while, and people seem to be showing great enthusiasm he will sign actually. And he's visiting Lincoln in the middle of winter, coming from Hawaii.
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The main reason isn't the general negativity of the board. It has always been that way. Even in the early years of recruiting.
The main reason is that coming to Lincoln Nebraska to play football is harder than going to USC. You have to either be from there, have a relationship with the school or a coach or develop a relation with a coach during the recruiting cycles that make you want to go there. Getting that commitment takes more work from the coaches than it does to obtain a commitment from warm weather power football team A B C or D.
If a coach has done enough to get the kid to commit to that school AND they still decide to take more visits, then the draw or the pull to the school, more times than not, isn't strong enough to keep the commitment.
Along those same lines, when a coach comes in late on a recruit that is committed elsewhere, generally speaking, there isn't time to develop the relationship to the point that it is stronger than what they currently have. History says we do not normally get the kid to flip from their original school to us, especially kids from the south and especially kids that are committed to a school in the south.
if you look at history, we lose many more commitments to other schools than we flip from other schools, especially late in the process.
The main reason is that coming to Lincoln Nebraska to play football is harder than going to USC. You have to either be from there, have a relationship with the school or a coach or develop a relation with a coach during the recruiting cycles that make you want to go there. Getting that commitment takes more work from the coaches than it does to obtain a commitment from warm weather power football team A B C or D.
If a coach has done enough to get the kid to commit to that school AND they still decide to take more visits, then the draw or the pull to the school, more times than not, isn't strong enough to keep the commitment.
Along those same lines, when a coach comes in late on a recruit that is committed elsewhere, generally speaking, there isn't time to develop the relationship to the point that it is stronger than what they currently have. History says we do not normally get the kid to flip from their original school to us, especially kids from the south and especially kids that are committed to a school in the south.
if you look at history, we lose many more commitments to other schools than we flip from other schools, especially late in the process.
Well let's talk this factor: Nebraska is on the upswing in an iconic conference, while Texas is dumpster fire in a joke of a conference. Advantage Nebraska....
There are several folks, maybe even the majority of folks on this board that believe that Herman will have Texas rolling faster than NU gets rolling. (Yes, even Pro-Riley folks)
Herman is the type of guy a bunch of folks wanted when Riley's name was pulled out of thin air.
Well, don't count me among them. I've thought since the beginning of this year that he was overhyped and he isn't the can't miss coach people think he is. I'm not saying he isn't a good hire for them, but just that he might not be as good as people think he is.