Outstanding Concensus HD6...

[dawgstudent]

http://www.bulldawgjuncti...ws/story.php?article=1130

And the pic, even though it's altered from it's original SixPack state, is good.

 

[dawgstudent]

http://www.bulldawgjuncti...ws/story.php?article=1130

And the pic, even though it's altered from it's original SixPack state, is good.

 

[BigMotherTucker]

BDJ premium membership.

 

[Jackdragbean]

You really do. You don't have to buy the full year up front, just pay the $9.?? a month like I do. Anyone can afford 10 bucks a month and it's well worth it for the writing over there.......including HD6 which has done an outstanding job thusfar.

 

[cowbell9]

baseball and basketball, but not football? While I agree with The General in principle, there are other important factors that enhance the ability to win on a consistent basis. Money being the number #1. Give more...get more. Probation...losing skolly's hurts badly. And for the record......I never hear "Are you Ready" in my head.

 

[dawgstudent]

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[8dog]

since he got here. He turned our baseball-only indoor facility into his indoor practice facility. He got the $5 mill renovation of Shira. He got raises for assistants, some of whom don't do anything. He is the 32nd highest paid coach in the country ahead of Rick Neuheisal and Randy Shannon. He gets paid only $50K less than Mike Leach.

 

[cowbell9]

excellence...then we have to back it up with buying season tix EVERY year and giving to the BC EVERY year. and not just the pussyish $100. It is very easy to sit on your couch and ***** and moan and demand better. It takes a commitment from the fans too. Not just the administration.

 

[dawgstudent]

you unfortunately have to win first. That's the only way you will get more $$$ out of the fan's pockets. That's why I thought this year was very crucial as far as giving - to sell a program that has had 2 straight winning seasons is that easier of a sell to an alumnus to open up their wallet.

And even at State, football is what stirs our drink.

 

[8dog]

my point is that regardless of what we do as fans going forward, Croom has been given in the last 5 years everything he needs to make MSU successful---relative to MSU.

 

[cowbell9]

..and I agree that. this season isnt ovewr yet though. We can ( and I believe will) go to another bowl this year.

 

[Coach34]

we cant go to a bowl with only 4-5 wins...Tennessee, Bama, and Mississippi will make sure we dont go anywhere

 

[jmbeck]

I would like to know what the BC donations were from 1997-2000.

The people that donate today are investing in a retarded mule trying to run in the Breeder's Cup. When they quit giving is when they can't afford it, or when they become so pissed they quit following Mississippi State sports all together.

The people who will give money when we win are the same ones that will pull it when we lose. For all intents and purposes, that money, while helpful, doesn't help MSU achieve any sustained success.

People that will support the program through thick and thin are what we need to field a competitive program year end and year out.

 

[dawgstudent]

and nothing is done. For example, I bet donations went up when Croom was initially hired. If you lose over and over, people will eventually stop giving - I am not arguing that. But one or two bad years mixed in with 4 or 5 good, the giving will increase.

 

[seshomoru]

an entire year of goodwill was flushed down the drain with four quarters in Ruston. That one single game did more harm to the psyche of the fans and alums than even Maine.

 

[saddawg]

I posted on here in the summer how important it was that Croom keep the momentum going. He was getting early commits, cherry picking the state. People were excited.

Then Ruston. He killed every thing in one single night.

What a joke.

 

[jmbeck]

People won't donate until we win, but we can't win unless we have the resources to do so.

I use this as an argument to the people that pull their support.

However, I feel that we have enough support and Croom has been given more than enough to field a much better product than what he is giving. I absolutely believe there is no reason why we shouldn't expect at the least 7-8 wins every season with our current state of affairs. Our 2000 season should be the threshold of expectation, not the ceiling. I believe we should be at the point were 6 wins is dissappointing, 5 or less is heartbreaking, and two consecutive losing seasons (at most) brings in a new staff.

But, if we lose the support we have, can we expect them to make something out of nothing? By cutting support, we give coaches the excuse "it's a death trap" and "no one can win there".

 

[DowntownDawg]

...the outlook changes drastically if you go bowling this year, even if it's in Birmingham. If you don't go bowling this year, then last year was an anomaly, and Croom would've had one winning season in five. If you do go bowling this year, then you can point to consecutive bowls as a sign of real progress and build off of that success with a very solid recruiting class. This year is Croom's make or break year, and because of Tech and Auburn, this game is Croom's make or break game. We won't go to a bowl if we don't win Saturday, and if we do, I think we will.

 

[jmbeck]

Our program should field a team that wins 7-8 games every year. That's successful relative to MSU, but it should be sustained. There is no reason we should accept losing seasons. And the people that do don't care as much about the school as they think they do.

 

[gtowndawg]

that's my Dad. I swear he would take a bullet for MSU, but LT convinced him we just can't compete with the "big money" schools. Now my Dad believes that in the depths of his soul. I've tried "unbrainwashing" him and I just can't do it.

 

[8dog]

its quite the opposite. They love MSU so much that they will do anything to rationalize that we are doing things the best we can. Its people that thought LT was a good A.D. b/c they want to think that anyone we put in that office is the best person we could ever get for that job but that we just have an uphill battle.

They just don't want to see MSU as an underacheiver.

 

[jmbeck]

They don't help the school as much as they think they do...

The uphill battle wouldn't be as hard if we would quit digging the hole.

 

[DowntownDawg]

.....and what HD6 essentially is saying is that MSU fans tend to wait to declare something a failure longer than fans of other schools. And I've said, and I really believe, that declaring something a failure too late is really bad for your program, but declaring something a failure too early is equally bad (see OM with Cut). And with Croom, it hangs in the balance. If we finish under .500, there will be ample evidence to think that the Croom experiment is a failure. If we somehow go 7-6, you would logically draw the conclusion that Croom has taken a bad situation and has shown real progress in improving it. It hangs in the balance right now, and this weekend's game will basically decide that, in my opinion.

 

[MagnoliaHunter]

When Croom first got here, I bought into the hype line of crap, bought season tickets again, and was donating again, not much but what I could comfortably afford. After seeing the level of incompetence and stubbornness(scheme, not firing buddies, etc) I stopped giving and going to games, and will not give until I see MAJOR changes. I refuse to throw my money away when there doesnt seem to be any hope of getting better. Last year and this year really brings home the old saying about the light at the end of the tunnel and the train.</p>

 

[jmbeck]

I like Coach Croom as a person. I think he's an excellent representative of the University and the State. I would love for my son to play pee-wee or junior high football for him. I will be bothered to see the day when he does get fired or quit, because the human side of me hates to see a good man struggle and fail.

However, from the some of his decisions it seems as though he doesn't have the knowledge of the game required of a head coach. The "learning curve" I expected of him in getting back to college ball are to tailor an offense around inferior talent (compared to his background), deal with scholarship restrictions, and understand the vastly changed landscape of recruiting. I didn't expect him to be learning clock management (It would be nice if he actually was learning), the statistics of success for 4th down conversions, or the importance and limitations of field position. But, those are things he's never had to be concerned with. It's obvious he simply called a play when he was told to go for it on 4th down, or punted when he was told to punt. He's called timeout when he was told, and let the clock run when he wasn't. Worse yet, he's apparently been oblivious to the different situations in which he was told or not told to do so. So, here we are with a lifetime coordinator trying to make HC decisions based on his "gut".

As I said, I'll hate to see him go, because he truly is someone to admire and look up to as a person. But, I'll welcome the day that when we have a new head coach.

 

[Stansfield]

A good coach could have beaten La Tech given the same circumstances, the same players, and the same amount of money. It's the decisions he makes on gameday that loses games. A good coach could have scored against an Auburn team that couldn't get it in. A good coach would have not given up in the first half against LSU when he had the momentum to show his players that we are not quitters. We're not a bad team because we don't have as much money as the big dogs, we're a bad team because we have a prideful fat stubborn man pretending to be a head coach. We have enough money right now to pay a young vibrant coach with the heart, drive and determination to win games. Our crooked hat wearing, golf cart riding, Bryan pork eating, fat, lazy, stubborn, prideful man we have for a head coach is the problem. It has nothing to do with money. I believe that if GB aggressively searches and scours the land for a young energetic smart head coach then we can field a team that will consistently go bowling and may even compete for championships every half decade at least with the same amount of money we are throwing down the drain with the Walrus. I don't care if we go bowling this year. GB needs to make a drastic change in the coaching staff and inject some energy in there. Right now when I look at the sidelines I see a fat energy vacuum just sucking all the vibrancy and youthful exuberance from the players on the field. Croom just does not exude the energy I think a head coach needs to. His appearance, his attitude, the way he hangs his head with false humility, just drains the energy from the players on the field like a black hole with a weight problem wearing a crooked hat.

 

[patdog]

We will never compete equally over the long term in football with the big 6 football schools of the SEC. That doesn't mean we can't consistently win 6-7 games per year though. We'll never be a consistent legitimate contender for the SEC championship like those schools usually are. But we can average 3 SEC wins per year and go to a bowl game most of the time. We're not coming anywhere close to what our realistic goals should be. And we should never, ever accept the kind of performance we've gotten from Crxxm the past 5 years.

 

[dawgoneyall]

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