Over the next few weeks, keep your eyes on the Middle East

leetp

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We've told Israel we will protect them. Therefore, I think there will be a degree of collaboration. It was our intel gleaned from UKR/Russia that let them know the S300/400s were dogshit and they should be able to attack Iran without fear. Over 100 Israeli planes used in that attack. All returned without a scratch. There will be a degree of collaboration.

I don't want war, but Iran's gotten way too big for their britches so to speak. My wish list if this goes forward.

1. Total obliteration of their Nuclear facilities.
2. Destruction of the QUDs and Special Forces. They help train all their proxies. Take away that.
3. Destruction of any offensive capabilities of the Navy.
4. Further destruction of all Military Critical Infrastructure (I'm looking at you missile bases)



I hope you're right to a degree. I just don't see it. It costs nearly 165k an hour to operate 1 B2 bomber. We aren't taking 6 over there for show. A 7th will leave HNL at some point and join them. Supposedly 5-6 B52s on the ground. More C17s every single day and now as @BionicTiger said 5-6 C5s. Planefinder had a line of C5s leave Dover this morning as well. They've since turned off their Transponders.

It costs 6.5MM on average per day to operate a Carrier Strike Group. Two for certain will be there and I was told a 3rd is all but guaranteed. Yet again, with the climate of government entities like DOGE and more, this isn't for show IMO.



My brother had PAT III batteries around the DOHA National Gas Facility and the main refinery in Saudi Arabia when he was there over a decade ago. His THAAD was in Israel at the time.

Little known fact that I didn't know until then. In times of conflict, Army Air Defense and Naval Air Defense come under the command of our Air Force during said conflicts. When my brother arrived he was dotted line to an Army Brigadier General, but reported directly to an Air Force 3 star while there.
It's never not been expensive to operate a B-52. We have sent them to Diego Garcia several times over the last few decades as nothing more than a show of force. We had 14 of them out there when I was there. Whatever it cost to operate them as a show of force, a kinetic engagement is a lot more expensive by orders of magnitude. Also, the air crew have to get their training sorties in to maintain proficiency. The total amount of flying hours are going to be flown whether they fly them in and out of Diego Garcia or in and out of Barksdale Air Force Base and Minot Air Force Base.
 
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leetp

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I'm sure it looks that way, but we are not trying to hide, nor can we, sending a bunch of B-52s to Diego Garcia. If we wanted a secretive strike, we could launch a strike mission directly from Barksdale or Minot to strike targets in the mideast and fly them all the way back home. It's been done before.
 

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It's never not been expensive to operate a B-52. We have sent them to Diego Garcia several times over the last few decades as nothing more than a show of force. We had 14 of them out there when I was there. Whatever it cost to operate them as a show of force, a kinetic engagement is a lot more expensive by orders of magnitude. Also, the air crew have to get their training sorties in to maintain proficiency. The total amount of flying hours are going to be flown whether they fly them in and out of Diego Garcia or in and out of Barksdale Air Force Base and Minot Air Force Base.

I wasn't talking about the B52. Yes we've taken them to DG a ton of times. We have NOT done that with the B2. As a matter of the last time was 2020. B52 are at Diego Garcia in some capacity every single year. This is entirely different.

It costs around 70K per hour to operate a B52 in normal flying.
It costs around 165K per hour to operate a B2 in normal flying.

By orders magnitude, having 6 confirmed and likely 1 more B2s over there for a show of force is absolutely a criminal waste of money. No way do I believe they are there to just look pretty. Especially with only 4 hangars on the base capable of protecting them from the elements.
 

BigPapaWhit

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I wasn't talking about the B52. Yes we've taken them to DG a ton of times. We have NOT done that with the B2. As a matter of the last time was 2020. B52 are at Diego Garcia in some capacity every single year. This is entirely different.

It costs around 70K per hour to operate a B52 in normal flying.
It costs around 165K per hour to operate a B2 in normal flying.

By orders magnitude, having 6 confirmed and likely 1 more B2s over there for a show of force is absolutely a criminal waste of money. No way do I believe they are there to just look pretty. Especially with only 4 hangars on the base capable of protecting them from the elements.
While I understand your reasoning, what we have witnessed in the past few months opens the realms of possibilities. Not trying to throw shade or pass judgement but nothing seems off the table at this point.

But again your assessment of the situation makes sense.
 

HunterPKP

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While I understand your reasoning, what we have witnessed in the past few months opens the realms of possibilities. Not trying to throw shade or pass judgement but nothing seems off the table at this point.

But again your assessment of the situation makes sense.

Don't feel any shade at all my man. I actually would love for Israel to take care of the Nuclear program and we just sit back and act as deterrent with a bunch of hardware on station. Essentially daring Iran to FAFO. I would love for that to be the case. This just feels different. Spending 100s of millions of dollars to move 1/3 of our B2 bomber force, B52s, C5/17s, KC135s, 2 for certain Strike Groups and countless other C5/17s transporting hardware to ME locations that is likely AADS/PAT IIIs for countermeasures? That's not just spending money. That's setting it ablaze unless we're going to do something with it.

In short, it's the largest mobilization I've seen in a long time.

One more point. We usually only have 4-5 Strike Groups active at any one time. There are about to be 7 sailing at once. At an average 6.5MM per day per group. You're gonna eat through 100MM every 60 hours or so. A few go full combat readiness like the Truman already is attacking the Houthis? Well that number goes way up quickly.

Currently at sea:

USS Truman
USS Carl Vinson
USS Gerald Ford
USS Nimitz
USS George HW Bush

Went active in port in the last week. Meaning about to depart.

USS Washington
USS Lincoln

Just saying this feels and is visually different than a lot of the "show of forces" I remember seeing.
 

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Palestinians, as a society never ever condemn the murdering of innocent Israelis, nor do they condemn terrorism in general, they are willing bystanders. In fact, they elect terrorist leaders.

the last part is what people struggle to understand. They voted Hamas in...knowing it was a terrorist organization...when they had the opportunity to rule themselves
 

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stick to jock sniffing Tonio and getting stuffed in a locker by Lucas.

dude's talking about people using politics to get rich while kissing the *** of a sitting president who literally is selling meme coins to his rubes and setting up media companies that allow for untraceable "investments" to be made in exchange for god knows what.

i guess you traded an absentee president for a shadow president now as we now have a literal foreign born billionaire who is pulling strings with impunity while funneling government contracts worth billions into his own pocket. and of course that's when he's not too busy showing up in states to hand R voters $1M checks onstage in front of the world.


I could care less about either party, but democrats and the prior President, incompetent as he was, funneled millions of bucks for their own gain just like Trump and this regime may be doing also.

Don't act like it's just one way street.
 

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the last part is what people struggle to understand. They voted Hamas in...knowing it was a terrorist organization...when they had the opportunity to rule themselves
What were their alternatives? The PLO?

You make it sound very simple. Policy and Politics are rarely such. In 2006, Hamas won the majority of the seats but with only an estimated 44% of the votes. It was not as if every Palestinian voted for Hamas. It was not unanimous, nor was it a mandate. Just like America, you don't need every voter to show up just the right voters to show-up. Hamas and their various affiliates certain had ways to leverage the results. Israel may have also indirectly or directly led to Hamas victories at the polls through their own policies and actions. Again, is it possible that the election was neither fair nor clean. Heck, if it can happen in America (whether in Nixon, Kennedy or Trump, Biden), it certainly can happen in a place like the Middle East. How many other elections in the Middle East are free and open? How many are just false choices? Are people just choosing something different because what they have sucks. (Think Iran w/ the Shah and the Ayatollah (which is also an over-simplification). Should we judge and convict all Palestinians over what their leaders do. Should we judge all Israelis based on what their leaders do? People will do irrational things when they think the stakes are high. People make act irrationally some time. People vote and act against their best interests every day. It's being human.
 

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I could care less about either party, but democrats and the prior President, incompetent as he was, funneled millions of bucks for their own gain just like Trump and this regime may be doing also.

Don't act like it's just one way street.
the last part is what people struggle to understand. They voted Hamas in...knowing it was a terrorist organization...when they had the opportunity to rule themselves
Building on that, there are a bazillion videos where every day Palestinians are interviewed and say they don’t want a two state solution they want the annihilation in total destruction and extermination of Israel and all the Jews.
 
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Don't feel any shade at all my man. I actually would love for Israel to take care of the Nuclear program and we just sit back and act as deterrent with a bunch of hardware on station. Essentially daring Iran to FAFO. I would love for that to be the case. This just feels different. Spending 100s of millions of dollars to move 1/3 of our B2 bomber force, B52s, C5/17s, KC135s, 2 for certain Strike Groups and countless other C5/17s transporting hardware to ME locations that is likely AADS/PAT IIIs for countermeasures? That's not just spending money. That's setting it ablaze unless we're going to do something with it.

In short, it's the largest mobilization I've seen in a long time.

One more point. We usually only have 4-5 Strike Groups active at any one time. There are about to be 7 sailing at once. At an average 6.5MM per day per group. You're gonna eat through 100MM every 60 hours or so. A few go full combat readiness like the Truman already is attacking the Houthis? Well that number goes way up quickly.

Currently at sea:

USS Truman
USS Carl Vinson
USS Gerald Ford
USS Nimitz
USS George HW Bush

Went active in port in the last week. Meaning about to depart.

USS Washington
USS Lincoln

Just saying this feels and is visually different than a lot of the "show of forces" I remember seeing.
HOLY **** this dude is definitely in the Signal chat.
 

Tiger Guru

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Don't feel any shade at all my man. I actually would love for Israel to take care of the Nuclear program and we just sit back and act as deterrent with a bunch of hardware on station. Essentially daring Iran to FAFO. I would love for that to be the case. This just feels different. Spending 100s of millions of dollars to move 1/3 of our B2 bomber force, B52s, C5/17s, KC135s, 2 for certain Strike Groups and countless other C5/17s transporting hardware to ME locations that is likely AADS/PAT IIIs for countermeasures? That's not just spending money. That's setting it ablaze unless we're going to do something with it.

In short, it's the largest mobilization I've seen in a long time.

One more point. We usually only have 4-5 Strike Groups active at any one time. There are about to be 7 sailing at once. At an average 6.5MM per day per group. You're gonna eat through 100MM every 60 hours or so. A few go full combat readiness like the Truman already is attacking the Houthis? Well that number goes way up quickly.

Currently at sea:

USS Truman
USS Carl Vinson
USS Gerald Ford
USS Nimitz
USS George HW Bush

Went active in port in the last week. Meaning about to depart.

USS Washington
USS Lincoln

Just saying this feels and is visually different than a lot of the "show of forces" I remember seeing.
We have only completed 6 of the 7 wars. We have 1 left.
 

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Are you saying the
War on Terrorism
War on Drugs
War on Immigration
War on Disney
War on Books
and
Star Wars are all completed? Or is Star Wars the one we have left? That would make sense because Bob Iger is not about to let that money train dry up.
 

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Lot of Hezbollah movement in South America. Lot of inbound traffic. Much more than normal. Doesn’t necessarily mean much, but it is interesting and probably noteworthy.
 
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Houthi’s have apparently shot down 7 of our Reaper drones, $200m in military hardware
 

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Should we consider this normal cost of business?

If global trade slows due to Tariffs or Recession, does US still see this as a worthy investment?

Have to wonder if between the Carriers, Manpower, Air Power etc are we making the impact we need. If not does US redouble efforts? Do we pull out? What does victory look like for the US?
 

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Should we consider this normal cost of business?

If global trade slows due to Tariffs or Recession, does US still see this as a worthy investment?

Have to wonder if between the Carriers, Manpower, Air Power etc are we making the impact we need. If not does US redouble efforts? Do we pull out? What does victory look like for the US?
Do we allow a terrorist group to control shipping in the Red Sea and impact it globally? A terrorist group that attempted a saturation attack on the Truman the other night with 6 cruise missiles, 2 rockets, and several Iranian UAVs…No. No we do not.
 
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Do we allow a terrorist group to control shipping in the Red Sea and impact it globally? A terrorist group that attempted a saturation attack on the Truman the other night with 6 cruise missiles, 2 rockets, and several Iranian UAVs…No. No we do not.

To be clear, I am for meeting force with force, an overwhelming force. I like clear goals and decisive results.

That being said American People and Congress have shown in the past there is a limit to their commitment. So how much is the US willing to invest in manpower, fuel, military assets. The one benefit to drones is no loss of pilots/crew. It probably raises threshold of commitment. But dollars are still dollars, voters and politicians may lose interest without clearly defined markers for success. The administration is also pushing for involvement from other vested parties/allies. What will that look like in the near future? I don't know but am curious.
 
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No idea on whether anything occurred but interesting.



Most people still don’t understand what they just witnessed.

For decades, there have been rumors of a classified weapon known as “Rods of God.”
Kinetic bombardment from space. Tungsten rods the size of telephone poles.
No warheads. No explosives.
Just pure gravity — weaponized.

When they strike, the impact is equivalent to a nuclear detonation without the radiation.
They can destroy underground bunkers. They can shatter hardened targets.
And most importantly, they leave no traditional missile trail to trace.

This weekend, NASA — not the Pentagon, not the media — quietly confirmed three massive underground thermal explosions inside Iran’s nuclear facilities.
No missile launches detected. No fighter jets intercepted.
Just sudden chaos from within.

The official story is silent.
But the evidence is louder than any headline.

Massive thermal spikes.
Direct internal reactor detonations.
Complete Iranian paralysis to respond.

If you understand Rods of God, the picture becomes clear.

This wasn’t an airstrike.
This wasn’t conventional warfare.
This was surgical dismantling from above — so fast, so powerful, so deniable, it neutralized a major geopolitical threat without triggering global war.

And it happened quietly, right as the global financial system repositions.
Right as Iraq finalizes economic agreements.
Right as India shifts liquidity.
Right as Trump prepares to realign tariffs and income taxes.
Right as the old global order shows cracks from every side.

This was the next phase.

The invisible war is moving into the visible world.
And for those paying attention, the signs aren’t subtle anymore.

History will be written with silent detonations, hidden resets, and the restoration of sovereignty country by country, system by system.

Stay awake.
Stay positioned.
Stay ready.

======

With SpaceX, the United States has 90% of the world's heavy lift to orbit capability. The Artemis Moon missions sent a 20,000 lb supposedly manned capsule into orbit around the moon, then supposedly returned that capsule to Earth in a trip that took a week.

If that was actually 20,000 lbs of Rods of God and they were sent back to the Earth for the highest speed upon reaching Earth, the speed would be Mach 34 according to Grok 3's calculations.

Imagine a 50 lb Rod of God moving at Mach 34 hitting a nuclear missile silo, fixed air defense radar, or possibly even a moving ship at sea. StarLink could provide the control while older spy satellites provided the targeting.

Read the last six verses of Jeremiah Chapter 49 if you want to know what happens after the "bow of Elam" is broken.

I don't say that this is that event because we do not have confirmation that this actually happened.
 
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We have Israel still going at it with Hamas and Hezbollah with Iran supplying and supporting both, and you have the US going at with the Houthis in Yemen, also being supported and supplied by Iran. Now you have India going at with with the radical Muslims of Pakistan, and you have Israel and Turkey having issues, and Israel and the US both on the brink of striking Iran, and you have Russia and Ukraine still going at it with Russia striking and killing civilians daily. And China saber-rattling with Taiwan. And China is supplying Iran with chemicals to make missile (jet) fuel to replace the missiles that they fired at Israel and gave the Houthis to fire missiles and drones at American warships. I agree, things are about to explode.

The US should just go ahead and hit Iran with the 12 or 13 B-2 bombers in the area, and now I am hearing that the US may even use the new B-21 bombers that are still in the testing phase, but they have been testing them for 5 years and have a few built. Both the B-2 and B-21 can carry the 30,000 pound bunker buster, with the B-2 able to carry two of them. And the US also has B-1s and B-52s tagged in the area, and F-22s and F15Es. They have F-35s on the two carriers as well. I know that Iran is mostly desert, with a couple of acres of green here and there, but the US should lay it all bare, Yemen too. With Israeli help as well.

Then, Trump should stop letting Putin *****-slap him and his envoy that he sent over there for peace, because Putin is just sandbagging Trump trying to take more ground. Putin told Trump that he will sue for peace only if the US agrees to let Russia keep Crimea, and all of the territory that Russia has taken (and will take), and Ukraine has to give back the areas in Russia that they took. And Ukraine must disarm. And only then will he stop the war. Well, if Trump is that stupid, then let him agree. But Trump won't be there in 5 years or so when Putin rebuilds and rearms his military and goes in and takes all of Ukraine, Kazakhstan, Georgia, Belarus, Moldova, and the Balkans, and possibly Poland as well. We will be in another God-damn Cold War soon after, Cold War II. I was in Germany during Cold War I. That cost the US in the billion$ or trillion$ of dollar$ to defend Europe, and Trump is going to put us there again in Cold War II. It will cost the US (all of us tax payers) trillion$ to send more troops and equipment there again just to support (and save) Europe from Russia.

Trump has the foot on Putin's throat right now and is going to let up and give Putin everything he wants. Chevron is oping up more oil to the tune of more than 300,000 barrels of oil per day. If Trump would only flood the market with oil and gas and bring the co$t of oil down to $30.00 to $40.00 per barrel, Russia is sunk. And increase sanctions on them, from the US and Europe. Their economy and their ability to wage war would be destroyed. And Putin would soon be swinging from the end of a rope. But Donald Trump is going to breathe life into Putin, and help the Russian economy and give Putin the ability to wage war again. And, the US and Europe (mostly the US!!!) will get the luxury to rebuild Ukraine, as Russia has leveled and destroyed most of the Ukrainian cities, World War II style!!!

I can't understand why Trump's cabinet is not showing him the data and possible outcomes by breathing life into Putin. Russia will be back and my son and grandchildren will have to go back to Europe (Cold War II) in order to protect them and our interests, when Russia could be stopped NOW!!! I support Donald Trump and like what he's doing for our economy and protecting our borders, but apparently Trump is a complete dumbass when it comes to military and military strategy. He should stay in his lane for that one!!!
 
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We have Israel still going at it with Hamas and Hezbollah with Iran supplying and supporting both, and you have the US going at with the Houthis in Yemen, also being supported and supplied by Iran. Now you have India going at with with the radical Muslims of Pakistan, and you have Israel and Turkey having issues, and Israel and the US both on the brink of striking Iran, and you have Russia and Ukraine still going at it with Russia striking and killing civilians daily. And China saber-rattling with Taiwan. And China is supplying Iran with chemicals to make missile (jet) fuel to replace the missiles that they fired at Israel and gave the Houthis to fire missiles and drones at American warships. I agree, things are about to explode.

The US should just go ahead and hit Iran with the 12 or 13 B-2 bombers in the area, and now I am hearing that the US may even use the new B-21 bombers that are still in the testing phase, but they have been testing them for 5 years and have a few built. Both the B-2 and B-21 can carry the 30,000 pound bunker buster, with the B-2 able to carry two of them. And the US also has B-1s and B-52s tagged in the area, and F-22s and F15Es. They have F-35s on the two carriers as well. I know that Iran is mostly desert, with a couple of acres of green here and there, but the US should lay it all bare, Yemen too. With Israeli help as well.

Then, Trump should stop letting Putin *****-slap him and his envoy that he sent over there for peace, because Putin is just sandbagging Trump trying to take more ground. Putin told Trump that he will sue for peace only if the US agrees to let Russia keep Crimea, and all of the territory that Russia has taken (and will take), and Ukraine has to give back the areas in Russia that they took. And Ukraine must disarm. And only then will he stop the war. Well, if Trump is that stupid, then let him agree. But Trump won't be there in 5 years or so when Putin rebuilds and rearms his military and goes in and takes all of Ukraine, Kazakhstan, Georgia, Belarus, Moldova, and the Balkans, and possibly Poland as well. We will be in another God-damn Cold War soon after, Cold War II. I was in Germany during Cold War I. That cost the US in the billion$ or trillion$ of dollar$ to defend Europe, and Trump is going to put us there again in Cold War II. It will cost the US (all of us tax payers) trillion$ to send more troops and equipment there again just to support (and save) Europe from Russia.

Trump has the foot on Putin's throat right now and is going to let up and give Putin everything he wants. Chevron is oping up more oil to the tune of more than 300,000 barrels of oil per day. If Trump would only flood the market with oil and gas and bring the co$t of oil down to $30.00 to $40.00 per barrel, Russia is sunk. And increase sanctions on them, from the US and Europe. Their economy and their ability to wage war would be destroyed. And Putin would soon be swinging from the end of a rope. But Donald Trump is going to breathe life into Putin, and help the Russian economy and give Putin the ability to wage war again. And, the US and Europe (mostly the US!!!) will get the luxury to rebuild Ukraine, as Russia has leveled and destroyed most of the Ukrainian cities, World War II style!!!

I can't understand why Trump's cabinet is not showing him the data and possible outcomes by breathing life into Putin. Russia will be back and my son and grandchildren will have to go back to Europe (Cold War II) in order to protect them and our interests, when Russia could be stopped NOW!!! I support Donald Trump and like what he's doing for our economy and protecting our borders, but apparently Trump is a complete dumbass when it comes to military and military strategy. He should stay in his lane for that one!!!
Trump is POTUS and the Commander in Chief so he is in his lane. Have some faith.
 
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We have Israel still going at it with Hamas and Hezbollah with Iran supplying and supporting both, and you have the US going at with the Houthis in Yemen, also being supported and supplied by Iran. Now you have India going at with with the radical Muslims of Pakistan, and you have Israel and Turkey having issues, and Israel and the US both on the brink of striking Iran, and you have Russia and Ukraine still going at it with Russia striking and killing civilians daily. And China saber-rattling with Taiwan. And China is supplying Iran with chemicals to make missile (jet) fuel to replace the missiles that they fired at Israel and gave the Houthis to fire missiles and drones at American warships. I agree, things are about to explode.

The US should just go ahead and hit Iran with the 12 or 13 B-2 bombers in the area, and now I am hearing that the US may even use the new B-21 bombers that are still in the testing phase, but they have been testing them for 5 years and have a few built. Both the B-2 and B-21 can carry the 30,000 pound bunker buster, with the B-2 able to carry two of them. And the US also has B-1s and B-52s tagged in the area, and F-22s and F15Es. They have F-35s on the two carriers as well. I know that Iran is mostly desert, with a couple of acres of green here and there, but the US should lay it all bare, Yemen too. With Israeli help as well.

Then, Trump should stop letting Putin *****-slap him and his envoy that he sent over there for peace, because Putin is just sandbagging Trump trying to take more ground. Putin told Trump that he will sue for peace only if the US agrees to let Russia keep Crimea, and all of the territory that Russia has taken (and will take), and Ukraine has to give back the areas in Russia that they took. And Ukraine must disarm. And only then will he stop the war. Well, if Trump is that stupid, then let him agree. But Trump won't be there in 5 years or so when Putin rebuilds and rearms his military and goes in and takes all of Ukraine, Kazakhstan, Georgia, Belarus, Moldova, and the Balkans, and possibly Poland as well. We will be in another God-damn Cold War soon after, Cold War II. I was in Germany during Cold War I. That cost the US in the billion$ or trillion$ of dollar$ to defend Europe, and Trump is going to put us there again in Cold War II. It will cost the US (all of us tax payers) trillion$ to send more troops and equipment there again just to support (and save) Europe from Russia.

Trump has the foot on Putin's throat right now and is going to let up and give Putin everything he wants. Chevron is oping up more oil to the tune of more than 300,000 barrels of oil per day. If Trump would only flood the market with oil and gas and bring the co$t of oil down to $30.00 to $40.00 per barrel, Russia is sunk. And increase sanctions on them, from the US and Europe. Their economy and their ability to wage war would be destroyed. And Putin would soon be swinging from the end of a rope. But Donald Trump is going to breathe life into Putin, and help the Russian economy and give Putin the ability to wage war again. And, the US and Europe (mostly the US!!!) will get the luxury to rebuild Ukraine, as Russia has leveled and destroyed most of the Ukrainian cities, World War II style!!!

I can't understand why Trump's cabinet is not showing him the data and possible outcomes by breathing life into Putin. Russia will be back and my son and grandchildren will have to go back to Europe (Cold War II) in order to protect them and our interests, when Russia could be stopped NOW!!! I support Donald Trump and like what he's doing for our economy and protecting our borders, but apparently Trump is a complete dumbass when it comes to military and military strategy. He should stay in his lane for that one!!!
My god…
 
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No idea on whether anything occurred but interesting.



Most people still don’t understand what they just witnessed.

For decades, there have been rumors of a classified weapon known as “Rods of God.”
Kinetic bombardment from space. Tungsten rods the size of telephone poles.
No warheads. No explosives.
Just pure gravity — weaponized.

When they strike, the impact is equivalent to a nuclear detonation without the radiation.
They can destroy underground bunkers. They can shatter hardened targets.
And most importantly, they leave no traditional missile trail to trace.

This weekend, NASA — not the Pentagon, not the media — quietly confirmed three massive underground thermal explosions inside Iran’s nuclear facilities.
No missile launches detected. No fighter jets intercepted.
Just sudden chaos from within.

The official story is silent.
But the evidence is louder than any headline.

Massive thermal spikes.
Direct internal reactor detonations.
Complete Iranian paralysis to respond.

If you understand Rods of God, the picture becomes clear.

This wasn’t an airstrike.
This wasn’t conventional warfare.
This was surgical dismantling from above — so fast, so powerful, so deniable, it neutralized a major geopolitical threat without triggering global war.

And it happened quietly, right as the global financial system repositions.
Right as Iraq finalizes economic agreements.
Right as India shifts liquidity.
Right as Trump prepares to realign tariffs and income taxes.
Right as the old global order shows cracks from every side.

This was the next phase.

The invisible war is moving into the visible world.
And for those paying attention, the signs aren’t subtle anymore.

History will be written with silent detonations, hidden resets, and the restoration of sovereignty country by country, system by system.

Stay awake.
Stay positioned.
Stay ready.

======

With SpaceX, the United States has 90% of the world's heavy lift to orbit capability. The Artemis Moon missions sent a 20,000 lb supposedly manned capsule into orbit around the moon, then supposedly returned that capsule to Earth in a trip that took a week.

If that was actually 20,000 lbs of Rods of God and they were sent back to the Earth for the highest speed upon reaching Earth, the speed would be Mach 34 according to Grok 3's calculations.

Imagine a 50 lb Rod of God moving at Mach 34 hitting a nuclear missile silo, fixed air defense radar, or possibly even a moving ship at sea. StarLink could provide the control while older spy satellites provided the targeting.

Read the last six verses of Jeremiah Chapter 49 if you want to know what happens after the "bow of Elam" is broken.

I don't say that this is that event because we do not have confirmation that this actually happened.

Except we can see the sites. Literally have assets photographing them daily. Quite the opposite of being destroyed by kinetic weapons from space, they are being built up and reinforced.
 

HunterPKP

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Yep, you should be concerned!!! Issues are happening around the world...

I don't remember a time in my life where there were not issues happening around the world. Just sayin....

When Israel is ready, they'll attack Iran's nuclear facilities. We won't know **** until their planes are in the air. No country better on the planet than Israel at OPSEC. No one.
 

Harrison.Booth.

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No idea on whether anything occurred but interesting.



Most people still don’t understand what they just witnessed.

For decades, there have been rumors of a classified weapon known as “Rods of God.”
Kinetic bombardment from space. Tungsten rods the size of telephone poles.
No warheads. No explosives.
Just pure gravity — weaponized.

When they strike, the impact is equivalent to a nuclear detonation without the radiation.
They can destroy underground bunkers. They can shatter hardened targets.
And most importantly, they leave no traditional missile trail to trace.

This weekend, NASA — not the Pentagon, not the media — quietly confirmed three massive underground thermal explosions inside Iran’s nuclear facilities.
No missile launches detected. No fighter jets intercepted.
Just sudden chaos from within.

The official story is silent.
But the evidence is louder than any headline.

Massive thermal spikes.
Direct internal reactor detonations.
Complete Iranian paralysis to respond.

If you understand Rods of God, the picture becomes clear.

This wasn’t an airstrike.
This wasn’t conventional warfare.
This was surgical dismantling from above — so fast, so powerful, so deniable, it neutralized a major geopolitical threat without triggering global war.

And it happened quietly, right as the global financial system repositions.
Right as Iraq finalizes economic agreements.
Right as India shifts liquidity.
Right as Trump prepares to realign tariffs and income taxes.
Right as the old global order shows cracks from every side.

This was the next phase.

The invisible war is moving into the visible world.
And for those paying attention, the signs aren’t subtle anymore.

History will be written with silent detonations, hidden resets, and the restoration of sovereignty country by country, system by system.

Stay awake.
Stay positioned.
Stay ready.

======

With SpaceX, the United States has 90% of the world's heavy lift to orbit capability. The Artemis Moon missions sent a 20,000 lb supposedly manned capsule into orbit around the moon, then supposedly returned that capsule to Earth in a trip that took a week.

If that was actually 20,000 lbs of Rods of God and they were sent back to the Earth for the highest speed upon reaching Earth, the speed would be Mach 34 according to Grok 3's calculations.

Imagine a 50 lb Rod of God moving at Mach 34 hitting a nuclear missile silo, fixed air defense radar, or possibly even a moving ship at sea. StarLink could provide the control while older spy satellites provided the targeting.

Read the last six verses of Jeremiah Chapter 49 if you want to know what happens after the "bow of Elam" is broken.

I don't say that this is that event because we do not have confirmation that this actually happened.

We may have technological capabilities that could put in a system like Rods of God into space, but we would never use it unless it’s like a Hiroshima/Nagasaki scenario where we were in a hot war and using it would save millions of lives. Even with no nuclear fall out, using it to bunker bust some terrorists would enrage the international community similar to using a nuke. It’s not worth it.

We need to step back and let Israel take care of this for us. We don’t need to make this our war, just sit a carrier group in the Med to make sure the blow back doesn’t spread to all the neighbors and start another 1948 or 1967 type war.
 
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This thread is a rollercoaster
Heavy on the spies like us vibes…

 

treetiger

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Jan 17, 2005
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I don't remember a time in my life where there were not issues happening around the world. Just sayin....

When Israel is ready, they'll attack Iran's nuclear facilities. We won't know **** until their planes are in the air. No country better on the planet than Israel at OPSEC. No one.

I spent 9 years in the Army, and nearly all of the years since following the military. There has never been this many things going on at the same time.

Lucky Ukranian soldier...

 

coldbud1994

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Jan 18, 2005
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No idea on whether anything occurred but interesting.



Most people still don’t understand what they just witnessed.

For decades, there have been rumors of a classified weapon known as “Rods of God.”
Kinetic bombardment from space. Tungsten rods the size of telephone poles.
No warheads. No explosives.
Just pure gravity — weaponized.

When they strike, the impact is equivalent to a nuclear detonation without the radiation.
They can destroy underground bunkers. They can shatter hardened targets.
And most importantly, they leave no traditional missile trail to trace.

This weekend, NASA — not the Pentagon, not the media — quietly confirmed three massive underground thermal explosions inside Iran’s nuclear facilities.
No missile launches detected. No fighter jets intercepted.
Just sudden chaos from within.

The official story is silent.
But the evidence is louder than any headline.

Massive thermal spikes.
Direct internal reactor detonations.
Complete Iranian paralysis to respond.

If you understand Rods of God, the picture becomes clear.

This wasn’t an airstrike.
This wasn’t conventional warfare.
This was surgical dismantling from above — so fast, so powerful, so deniable, it neutralized a major geopolitical threat without triggering global war.

And it happened quietly, right as the global financial system repositions.
Right as Iraq finalizes economic agreements.
Right as India shifts liquidity.
Right as Trump prepares to realign tariffs and income taxes.
Right as the old global order shows cracks from every side.

This was the next phase.

The invisible war is moving into the visible world.
And for those paying attention, the signs aren’t subtle anymore.

History will be written with silent detonations, hidden resets, and the restoration of sovereignty country by country, system by system.

Stay awake.
Stay positioned.
Stay ready.

======

With SpaceX, the United States has 90% of the world's heavy lift to orbit capability. The Artemis Moon missions sent a 20,000 lb supposedly manned capsule into orbit around the moon, then supposedly returned that capsule to Earth in a trip that took a week.

If that was actually 20,000 lbs of Rods of God and they were sent back to the Earth for the highest speed upon reaching Earth, the speed would be Mach 34 according to Grok 3's calculations.

Imagine a 50 lb Rod of God moving at Mach 34 hitting a nuclear missile silo, fixed air defense radar, or possibly even a moving ship at sea. StarLink could provide the control while older spy satellites provided the targeting.

Read the last six verses of Jeremiah Chapter 49 if you want to know what happens after the "bow of Elam" is broken.

I don't say that this is that event because we do not have confirmation that this actually happened.

Yeah this didn’t happen. Lol
 

P. Marlowe

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Dec 7, 2009
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I spent 9 years in the Army, and nearly all of the years since following the military. There has never been this many things going on at the same time.

Lucky Ukranian soldier...

The early 90s say hi. You had civil war in basically half of Africa - Algeria, somalia, Rwanda, Djibouti, Burundi, Congo, Sierra Leone. Bosnia. Transnistria. Gulf war part 1. Yugoslav wars/Croatian independence. Georgia/South Osettia. Iraqi Uprisings. Civil war in Afghanistan and Sri Lanka. The first Chechen war. Armenia/Azerbaijan. Civil war in Georgia. South Armagh was on fire. Literally. Like 450+ incidents/ira attacks. LA riots. Collapse of the Soviet union.

Point is, this isn’t an aberration. There is always conflict somewhere.
 

GDead_Tiger

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I wonder how the Houthis were able to shoot so close to an aircraft carrier to force it to take evasive actions, leading to losing that fighter jet