OWH Article on Jordy Tshimanga

[Kleitusbpn]

6-7 year fix is a very arbitrary number. We were a NCAA tourney team in year 2(Miles gets all the credit for that)....and a complete disaster in year 3 with much of the same personnel. I don't think Miles can afford another losing season. I don't think that gets him fired at this point...but, it seems as if we the staff is having a tougher time on the recruiting trail this year...likely due to what some perceive as a program that is still at a stand still. Miles needs a solid year to regain some momentum. I don't think he should be fired after this year unless its a complete disaster on and off the court...but, it would not surprise me to see Eichorst wanting his own guy in Lincoln.

He was handed one big ten worthy scholarship player. One. (Shields for future reference). Fixing that along with getting your scholarships spread out properly takes three years. Another three years for development puts you at six. Seven if you have any reasonable attitude toward development.

6-7 years was hardly an arbitrary number.

 

[Kleitusbpn]

Who gets to define how long of a fix it is? Why 6 or 7 years? it didn't take him 6 or 7 anywhere else. Why can't I hold him accountable for recruiting, developing and retaining players? Why can't I expect some evidence of progress heading into year 5? Why should I expect both Watson and Morrow to be there after this season? History shows about half the players will transfer out. Why should I expect Gill to be any different than the other incoming transfers?

I can appreciate that you want to be optimistic, but basketball is a sport where you don't have to have 15-20 great players to win. You can win with 3-5 good to great players.

I am glad it isn't my millions you are so willing to hand over to Miles for the below average product he is putting on the court.

You have to build the environment where those players are willing to come here consistently. You don't do that in five years when you are handed a roster with one big ten player.

 

[RealTucoSalamanca]

You have to build the environment where those players are willing to come here consistently. You don't do that in five years when you are handed a roster with one big ten player.

So it's now year 5. How many Big Ten players are on the roster now? 3 maybe. Recruiting for this next class is slow, why? Other than this Jordy fellow, what is going to change next year?

This magic 6-7 year window of yours is fast approaching and this team looks very similar record to the previous year's

 

[huskerbaseball13]

He was handed one big ten worthy scholarship player. One. (Shields for future reference). Fixing that along with getting your scholarships spread out properly takes three years. Another three years for development puts you at six. Seven if you have any reasonable attitude toward development.

6-7 years was hardly an arbitrary number.

No, not even close. This isn't football where you expect development to take three years. Basketball you can build a team and program very quickly. Again, we were a NCAA tourney team in year two. With the majority of the same minutes coming back year three was a disaster. In basketball you can plug a lot of wholes in the transfer market and can expect freshman to contribute right away...it certainly doesn't take seven years lol. The program continues to be a revolving door with the staff and the roster. And tell me...how good of a job did Miles do spreading out the scholarships "properly" when three of the five recruited high schools kids transferred out from his first two real classes? And a 4th(Nick Fuller) is not a Big Ten player.

 

[GBRhuskers_rivals203711]

Basketball you can build a team and program very quickly.

Name all the programs that have done this.

Northwestern? No.
Penn State? No.
Rutgers? No.
Washington State? No.

I look forward to your list.

 

[RealTucoSalamanca]

Name all the programs that have done this.

Northwestern? No.
Penn State? No.
Rutgers? No.
Washington State? No.

I look forward to your list.

Then don't waste the donor's $300 mil on basketball facilities. Spend it elsewhere.

 

[RealTucoSalamanca]

Name all the programs that have done this.

Northwestern? No.
Penn State? No.
Rutgers? No.
Washington State? No.

I look forward to your list.

Butler under Brad Stevens
VCU under Shaka Smart
Navy with David Robinson

Off the top of my head. I will look for more in the morning.

 

[GBRhuskers_rivals203711]

Then don't waste the donor's $300 mil on basketball facilities. Spend it elsewhere.

Terrible answer to my question.

Butler under Brad Stevens
VCU under Shaka Smart
Navy with David Robinson

Off the top of my head. I will look for more in the morning.

Oh boy, 3 mid majors which includes 1 from 30 years ago. That is flipping awesome.

Pay attention here people, diversion will take place here soon enough.

 

[huskerbaseball13]

Name all the programs that have done this.

Northwestern? No.
Penn State? No.
Rutgers? No.
Washington State? No.

I look forward to your list.

Are we talking recent history, as I was considering the transfer market can be a game changer now. Not sure I would include Washington State in that group...a guy by the name of Tony Bennett took over HC duties and won 69 games in three years there. He then took over UVA and by year three they were dancing and year five in the sweet 16. The only school on that list that is not on the verge of firing their coach or haven't just recently fired their coach is NW. And if we want to compare ourselves to NW then we should probably go back to offering up Doc Sadler type salary if Miles fails.

Miami-Previous coach had one NCAA tourney bid in 7 years; Larranaga has had two sweet 16 runs since being hired.

OU- Capel gets fired after going 14-18 and gets dinged for 2 NCAA recruiting violations. Lon Kruger comes in and has taken OU to four NCAA tournament appearances in a row. Probably a stretch here as OU seems to always be solid in bball, but it certainly did not take Kruger seven years to "develop" his program.

Baylor-Not sure they fit the criteria, but Baylor basketball was left for dead and by year 5 Drew had a perennial on the verge of becoming a perennial tourney team. Can the same be said for Nebraska going in to year 5? Maybe...but probably not.

Iowa State- McDermott went 59-68 at Iowa State...Hoiberg comes in and takes Iowa State to 4 NCAA tourney appearances in five years.

Kansas St- Had not been to a NCAA tourney in over a decade. Hire Bob Huggins who gets the ball rolling with talent and Frank Martin rolls off four NCAA tourney appearances in five years. One which included an elite 8 run.

Providence- Before Ed Cooley last NCAA tourney appearance was 2003. Ed Cooley comes in and has taken the Friars to three big dances in five years.

Iowa- Lickliter went 38-57 at Iowa. Fran comes in and takes Iowa to three NCAA tournament appearances in six years. Miles has a chance to accomplish this still....but, nobody sees us as a tournament team this year.

Utah- Coming off 14-17 and 13-18 years Utah hires Larry Krystkowiak who takes them to the sweet 16 in year four.

Colorado- Previous coach goes 36-58 with the Buffs....Tad Boyle gets hired and takes CU to 4 NCAA tournys in 5 years.

Those are some teams just off the top of my head, not including mid majors. Obviously Nebraska was worse off than most of the above programs.....but the point still stands, and even Tim Miles proved it in year 2. You can build a quality basketball team very quickly. It doesn't take seven years. I would like to see a list of programs where it took a coach six-seven years to build a consistently good team.

 

[RealTucoSalamanca]

Terrible answer to my question.



Oh boy, 3 mid majors which includes 1 from 30 years ago. That is flipping awesome.

Pay attention here people, diversion will take place here soon enough.

If you and your fan base are content with being a .500 basketball team, then why spend $300 million on basketball? It isn't a bad answer to your question. Why fire Doc Sadler if you weren't expecting better results than what Sadler produced.

The donors and the AD do expect results that is why the fired Sadler and why they spent $300 mil on facilities.

The fact that it has taken 4+ years to go from 12-18 under Sadler to 16-18 under Miles is laughable.

You brought up Northwestern.

Chris Collins took over a team that was 12-19 (4-14) in 2012-2013

2013-2014 --14-18 (6-12)
2014-2015 --15-17 (6-12)
2015-2016 -- 20-12 (8-10)

How about Dana Altman and Oregon?

Took over a 16-16 (7-11) team in 2010

2010-11 --21-18 (7-11)
2011-12 --24-10 (13-5)
2012-13 --28-9 (12-6)
2013-14 --24-10 (10-8)
2014-15 -- 26-10 (13-5)
2015-16 --31-7 (14-4)

Better and better CBI to NIT to NCAA to Elite 8

Fred Hoiberg at Iowa St took a .500 team and in year 4 was in the sweet 16

Heck look 40 miles to the east at Creighton. One player made a huge difference. Now they appear back on track after realizing they had to upgrade talent from Missouri Valley to Big East talent level, they will be a top 30 team this year.

So the fact is there are more teams that don't need 6-7 years To show improvement.

 

[GBRhuskers_rivals203711]

Are we talking recent history, as I was considering the transfer market can be a game changer now.

It goes together so yes. And majority if the schools you mentioned don't fit the bill of Nebraska basketball. Try not to list programs that were rejuvenated but instead, cellar dwellers; like I listed, that turned it around and kept the success.

It's so easy to happen, you should be able to rattle this off fairly quickly. I'll wait patiently.

 

[GBRhuskers_rivals203711]

a .500 basketball team, then why spend $300 million on basketball? It isn't a bad answer to your question. Why fire Doc Sadler if you weren't expecting better results than what Sadler produced.

The donors and the AD do expect results that is why the fired Sadler and why they spent $300 mil on facilities.

The fact that it has taken 4+ years to go from 12-18 under Sadler to 16-18 under Miles is laughable.

You brought up Northwestern.

Chris Collins took over a team that was 12-19 (4-14) in 2012-2013

2013-2014 --14-18 (6-12)
2014-2015 --15-17 (6-12)
2015-2016 -- 20-12 (8-10)

Me and my fan base? I'm not Nebraska, nor am I the Huskers. Let me guess, you're a Husker football fan only, with a preference for other teams in other sports. Based on your wording, that's accurate.

Chris Collins, three years in and no post-season play. That's awesome! 20-12 & didn't sniff the dance, too funny. Ouch.

Oregon, compared to Nebraska? Ya, no. You might want to check what Oregon did under coach Kent before Altman took over. Coach Altman has done a great job, no doubt about it, but the comparisons don't work. Which is why I listed the schools in a previous post.

Fred Hoiberg. Iowa State. Yikes.

Two posters believe something, and struggle to support their belief with cold hard factual comparisons. It's alright guys, neither of you will have any success so carry on with your Miles hate.

 

[G0B1GRED_rivals16660]

HUSKERTIM IS ALIVE....

 

[huskerbaseball13]

It goes together so yes. And majority if the schools you mentioned don't fit the bill of Nebraska basketball. Try not to list programs that were rejuvenated but instead, cellar dwellers; like I listed, that turned it around and kept the success.

It's so easy to happen, you should be able to rattle this off fairly quickly. I'll wait patiently.

Huh? Some on the list were cellar dwellers on that list before being turned around...in fewer than seven years I might add. Are we talking history now? Do you think the history of the likes of Iowa State and Colorado basketball is why Boyle and Hoiberg turned them around quickly? Is history the reason you think we have had the turnover within the program? Is history why Creighton is projected to be a top 25 team this year only three years removed from the Mo Valley? Sorry, if Tim Miles fails...what Barry Collier did in 2003 is not going to be the reason. Again, I repeat...Miles has already proven it doesn't need to take seven years. He took Nebrasketball to the big dance in year two. This it takes seven years crap is laughable. Do you have a list of programs that you consider cellar dwellers that was turned around in 7 years or more?

Miles hates it when people bring up Nebraska’s lackluster history in basketball.“You save that baggage for you,” Miles said. “Don’t put that crap on me, all right? This is my program and we don’t carry any baggage. Everywhere we’ve been, we’ve been surrounded by great people and we win. And we’re gonna keep doing it.
“So all of that curse crap, all of the hexing and vexing, all of that bulls--t that goes with it is exactly that. And you can print it.”

 

[GBRhuskers_rivals203711]

Huh? Some on the list were cellar dwellers on that list before being turned around...in fewer than seven years I might add. Are we talking history now? Do you think the history of the likes of Iowa State and Colorado basketball is why Boyle and Hoiberg turned them around quickly? Is history the reason you think we have had the turnover within the program? Is history why Creighton is projected to be a top 25 team this year only three years removed from the Mo Valley? Sorry, if Tim Miles fails...what Barry Collier did in 2003 is not going to be the reason. Again, I repeat...Miles has already proven it doesn't need to take seven years. He took Nebrasketball to the big dance in year two. This it takes seven years crap is laughable. Do you have a list of programs that you consider cellar dwellers that was turned around in 7 years or more?

Miles hates it when people bring up Nebraska’s lackluster history in basketball.“You save that baggage for you,” Miles said. “Don’t put that crap on me, all right? This is my program and we don’t carry any baggage. Everywhere we’ve been, we’ve been surrounded by great people and we win. And we’re gonna keep doing it.
“So all of that curse crap, all of the hexing and vexing, all of that bulls--t that goes with it is exactly that. And you can print it.”

Miami under Larranaga, good call. I didn't see that on your list, that's on me for skipping through it on my phone for some dumb reason.

Oklahoma has a long history that was rejuvenated.

Baylor, you're correct, they don't fit the criteria.

Iowa State, see Oklahoma.

Kansas St, see Oklahoma & Iowa State, to a lesser extent.

Providence, good call.

Iowa, see Oklahoma, Iowa State & Baylor.

Utah, see Oklahoma, Iowa State, Baylor & Iowa.

Colorado, good call.

So of your list of 9, 3 of them are qualifiers while 6 are stretches; extreme at that. It's not as easy as you claim, it's okay for you to admit that.

Dang good quote by coach Miles. After what is the biggest win for Nebraska basketball in so many years, coach Miles put Dirk in his place. And he's right, don't put it on me [Miles] however, it's not something to ignore. There's a reason cellar dweller programs have a much harder time getting on track. It's not just Nebraska; it's also the schools that I mentioned.

 

[huskerbaseball13]

Miami under Larranaga, good call. I didn't see that on your list, that's on me for skipping through it on my phone for some dumb reason.

Oklahoma has a long history that was rejuvenated.

Baylor, you're correct, they don't fit the criteria.

Iowa State, see Oklahoma.

Kansas St, see Oklahoma & Iowa State, to a lesser extent.

Providence, good call.

Iowa, see Oklahoma, Iowa State & Baylor.

Utah, see Oklahoma, Iowa State, Baylor & Iowa.

Colorado, good call.

So of your list of 9, 3 of them are qualifiers while 6 are stretches; extreme at that. It's not as easy as you claim, it's okay for you to admit that.

Dang good quote by coach Miles. After what is the biggest win for Nebraska basketball in so many years, coach Miles put Dirk in his place. And he's right, don't put it on me [Miles] however, it's not something to ignore. There's a reason cellar dweller programs have a much harder time getting on track. It's not just Nebraska; it's also the schools that I mentioned.

And this is not me bagging on Miles...I just don't think it really needs to take seven years. I think Miles has a very solid core of Freshman/soph for the future and he should get the next two years to see it thru barring some sort of disaster and transfers. If Eichorst fires him after this year(I don't think he will)...then I would say that's a bad move.

 

[GBRhuskers_rivals203711]

And this is not me bagging on Miles...I just don't think it really needs to take seven years. I think Miles has a very solid core of Freshman/soph for the future and he should get the next two years to see it thru barring some sort of disaster and transfers. If Eichorst fires him after this year(I don't think he will)...then I would say that's a bad move.

It's the same thing from you though, just a different thread title.

The above quote seems new, something [solid core & two years parts] I can finally agree with you except the Eichorst part. I'm not sure Miles is safe no matter what otherwise, not signing an extension for a 5-year rolling contract this past summer is somewhat misleading. Safe, fine, sign the extension to get the contract back to 5 years. Not safe, don't sign it & save the department around $2.3M in the long run.

2015 sucked, no other way of saying it. 2016 was better, with a lot of new parts. 2017, remains to be seen & I'm anxious to see how the team reacts to what happened this summer. Based on a URL title from a Nebraska news station, which has since been removed, the team doesn't have much love loss over AW3 leaving them high & dry.

http://www.1011now.com/content/spor...w-White-Huskers-Begin-Practice-395747461.html

Replace *** with Fuc.

 

[JohnRossEwing]

Wow, someone call 911...this is a freaking beating.

 

[JohnRossEwing]

Are we talking recent history, as I was considering the transfer market can be a game changer now. Not sure I would include Washington State in that group...a guy by the name of Tony Bennett took over HC duties and won 69 games in three years there. He then took over UVA and by year three they were dancing and year five in the sweet 16. The only school on that list that is not on the verge of firing their coach or haven't just recently fired their coach is NW. And if we want to compare ourselves to NW then we should probably go back to offering up Doc Sadler type salary if Miles fails.

Miami-Previous coach had one NCAA tourney bid in 7 years; Larranaga has had two sweet 16 runs since being hired.

OU- Capel gets fired after going 14-18 and gets dinged for 2 NCAA recruiting violations. Lon Kruger comes in and has taken OU to four NCAA tournament appearances in a row. Probably a stretch here as OU seems to always be solid in bball, but it certainly did not take Kruger seven years to "develop" his program.

Baylor-Not sure they fit the criteria, but Baylor basketball was left for dead and by year 5 Drew had a perennial on the verge of becoming a perennial tourney team. Can the same be said for Nebraska going in to year 5? Maybe...but probably not.

Iowa State- McDermott went 59-68 at Iowa State...Hoiberg comes in and takes Iowa State to 4 NCAA tourney appearances in five years.

Kansas St- Had not been to a NCAA tourney in over a decade. Hire Bob Huggins who gets the ball rolling with talent and Frank Martin rolls off four NCAA tourney appearances in five years. One which included an elite 8 run.

Providence- Before Ed Cooley last NCAA tourney appearance was 2003. Ed Cooley comes in and has taken the Friars to three big dances in five years.

Iowa- Lickliter went 38-57 at Iowa. Fran comes in and takes Iowa to three NCAA tournament appearances in six years. Miles has a chance to accomplish this still....but, nobody sees us as a tournament team this year.

Utah- Coming off 14-17 and 13-18 years Utah hires Larry Krystkowiak who takes them to the sweet 16 in year four.

Colorado- Previous coach goes 36-58 with the Buffs....Tad Boyle gets hired and takes CU to 4 NCAA tournys in 5 years.

Those are some teams just off the top of my head, not including mid majors. Obviously Nebraska was worse off than most of the above programs.....but the point still stands, and even Tim Miles proved it in year 2. You can build a quality basketball team very quickly. It doesn't take seven years. I would like to see a list of programs where it took a coach six-seven years to build a consistently good team.

Wow...this reminds me of this beating

 

[GBRhuskers_rivals203711]

Wow, someone call 911...this is a freaking beating.

You're trying way too hard, there's a reason huskerbaseball13 quoted but chose not to respond to my breakdown. And it wasn't because of "a freaking beating".

 

[JohnRossEwing]

You're trying way too hard, there's a reason huskerbaseball13 quoted but chose not to respond to my breakdown. And it wasn't because of "a freaking beating".

 

[huskerbaseball13]

You're trying way too hard, there's a reason huskerbaseball13 quoted but chose not to respond to my breakdown. And it wasn't because of "a freaking beating".

Sorry, went back and read thru your post again...I wasn't trying to give you a "beating" but nowhere did I ever say it was easy. Where did I claim this as you say?

 

[huskerbaseball13]

You're trying way too hard, there's a reason huskerbaseball13 quoted but chose not to respond to my breakdown. And it wasn't because of "a freaking beating".

Sorry, went back and read thru your post again...I wasn't trying to give you a "beating" but nowhere did I ever say it was easy. Where did I claim this as you say?

 

[GBRhuskers_rivals203711]

Sorry, went back and read thru your post again...I wasn't trying to give you a "beating" but nowhere did I ever say it was easy. Where did I claim this as you say?

Never thought you were.

You said quickly, not easy, not that there's much difference in my eyes. If someone can do something quickly, it's easy for them to do it, that's how I see it.

 

[NorthWillRiseAgain]

But.........coach mike krzyzewski could be ours if we just opened up the checkbook.Winking

 

[JohnRossEwing]

Shoot, Wisky had like 1 NCAA team from 47-93...

They seem okay now.

 

[GBRhuskers_rivals203711]

Shoot, Wisky had like 1 NCAA team from 47-93...

They seem okay now.

23 years ago, keep proving my point, thanks.

 

[RealTucoSalamanca]

Me and my fan base? I'm not Nebraska, nor am I the Huskers. Let me guess, you're a Husker football fan only, with a preference for other teams in other sports. Based on your wording, that's accurate.

Chris Collins, three years in and no post-season play. That's awesome! 20-12 & didn't sniff the dance, too funny. Ouch.

Oregon, compared to Nebraska? Ya, no. You might want to check what Oregon did under coach Kent before Altman took over. Coach Altman has done a great job, no doubt about it, but the comparisons don't work. Which is why I listed the schools in a previous post.

Fred Hoiberg. Iowa State. Yikes.

Two posters believe something, and struggle to support their belief with cold hard factual comparisons. It's alright guys, neither of you will have any success so carry on with your Miles hate.

The you and your fan base was as if speaking about the athletic department and the basketball program. Not to you directly.

As far as rejuvenated programs. Nebraska would fit the mold.

Since 1980

Moe Iba 6 seasons (106-71) 3 NIT and 1 NCAA - ZERO LOSING SEASONS
Danny Nee 14 seasons (254-190) (5 NIT and 5 NCAA - 3 LOSING SEASONS
Barry Collier 6 seasons (89-91) 2 NIT - 3 LOSING SEASONS
Doc Sadler 6 seasons (101-89) 3 NIT - 2 LOSING SEASONS
Tim Miles 4 seasons (63-67) 1 NCAA 3 LOSING SEASONS

So you can blame the history of the program or the fact that you believe it is a cellar dweller. But Tim Miles has as many losing seasons in his 4 years than every other Nebraska coach since 1980 had in their entire time at Nebraska. Every coach in that time, sans Collier has taken their teams to the post season at a 50% clip.

36 seasons and 19 post season berths. Miles has 1
36 seasons and 11 losing seasons, Miles has 3

Nebraska wasn't a basketball power, but it wasn't exactly the bottom of the barrel you make it out to be.

 

[G0B1GRED_rivals16660]

Shoot, Wisky had like 1 NCAA team from 47-93...

They seem okay now.

23 years ago, keep proving my point, thanks.

I think he meant, they finally made the NCAA tournament in 94' after being terrible for so many years and now they have pretty much made the NCAA's every year since. Yet, Nebraska has made the NCAA tournament 7 times since 1986, updated the arena, and the facilities but still are a bottom feeder in the Big 10.

 

[JohnRossEwing]

I think he meant, they finally made the NCAA tournament in 94' after being terrible for so many years and now they have pretty much made the NCAA's every year since. Yet, Nebraska has made the NCAA tournament 7 times since 1986, updated the arena, and the facilities but still are a bottom feeder in the Big 10.

That is exactly what I meant.

They were TERRIBLE for almost 50 years...yet they managed to turn it around. Quickly...with Dick Bennett.

 

[GBRhuskers_rivals203711]

The you and your fan base was as if speaking about the athletic department and the basketball program. Not to you directly.

As far as rejuvenated programs. Nebraska would fit the mold.

Since 1980

Moe Iba 6 seasons (106-71) 3 NIT and 1 NCAA - ZERO LOSING SEASONS
Danny Nee 14 seasons (254-190) (5 NIT and 5 NCAA - 3 LOSING SEASONS
Barry Collier 6 seasons (89-91) 2 NIT - 3 LOSING SEASONS
Doc Sadler 6 seasons (101-89) 3 NIT - 2 LOSING SEASONS
Tim Miles 4 seasons (63-67) 1 NCAA 3 LOSING SEASONS

So you can blame the history of the program or the fact that you believe it is a cellar dweller. But Tim Miles has as many losing seasons in his 4 years than every other Nebraska coach since 1980 had in their entire time at Nebraska. Every coach in that time, sans Collier has taken their teams to the post season at a 50% clip.

36 seasons and 19 post season berths. Miles has 1
36 seasons and 11 losing seasons, Miles has 3

Nebraska wasn't a basketball power, but it wasn't exactly the bottom of the barrel you make it out to be.

And your diversion continues, called that up above.

Don't understand that at all, regardless, you responded with an explanation.

Since 1980 supports my stance on the cellar dweller comment, thanks for proving it. I'm not blaming anything, I'm stating facts. Nebraska basketball is one of the worst historical programs of all time. You'll be hard pressed to find many people that follow college basketball not to include Nebraska in the cellar dweller category.

I couldn't care less if Miles is coaching or someone else is; not named Collier (failure) or Sadler (failure). Neither of them got Nebraska to the dance and both had ample time to do something. If Miles is the next coach fired, you won't see a word from me in defense of it. As I said, I couldn't care less. He'll swim or sink on his own, which I've stated multiple times.

P.S.
Nobody gives a damn about the NIT. You used the NIT to support your weak case.

 

[GBRhuskers_rivals203711]

I think he meant, they finally made the NCAA tournament in 94' after being terrible for so many years and now they have pretty much made the NCAA's every year since. Yet, Nebraska has made the NCAA tournament 7 times since 1986, updated the arena, and the facilities but still are a bottom feeder in the Big 10.

I know exactly what he meant, there's no need to spell it out.

What you failed to understand in my response, he had to go back 23 years to find a program that turned it around. "Basketball you can build a team and program very quickly" is the original statement but here we are, digging back 23 years to find a program that has done such a thing. If it can happen so quickly, there should be a lot more teams out there more recent than 1993.

 

[G0B1GRED_rivals16660]

I know exactly what he meant, there's no need to spell it out.

What you failed to understand in my response, he had to go back 23 years to find a program that turned it around. "Basketball you can build a team and program very quickly" is the original statement but here we are, digging back 23 years to find a program that has done such a thing. If it can happen so quickly, there should be a lot more teams out there more recent than 1993.

You seem to only understand what you post most of the time. My apologies.

 

[JohnRossEwing]

I know exactly what he meant, there's no need to spell it out.

What you failed to understand in my response, he had to go back 23 years to find a program that turned it around. "Basketball you can build a team and program very quickly" is the original statement but here we are, digging back 23 years to find a program that has done such a thing. If it can happen so quickly, there should be a lot more teams out there more recent than 1993.

Ha! Oh...so the parameters are these

1. The school had to be in Nebraska
2. They had to have just fired a coach named doc
3. They had to have hired a Tim

 

[GBRhuskers_rivals203711]

You seem to only understand what you post most of the time. My apologies.

Extremely ironic giving your last two responses.

Ha! Oh...so the parameters are these

1. The school had to be in Nebraska
2. They had to have just fired a coach named doc
3. They had to have hired a Tim

You're trying harder this time, yikes.

 

[JohnRossEwing]

Extremely ironic giving your last two responses.



You're trying harder this time, yikes.

You are embarrassed. Refer back to the two movie clips. if you respond to this it means you know i am correct.

 

[NorthWillRiseAgain]

You are embarrassed. Refer back to the two movie clips. if you respond to this it means you know i am correct.

Less attacks and more sports talk is always appreciated

 

[GBRhuskers_rivals203711]

You are embarrassed. Refer back to the two movie clips. if you respond to this it means you know i am correct.

If you respond to this, holy 4th grade playground smack. You were outed earlier in this thread, and continue to further my statement. But hey, if you respond to this, you know I am correct. Ya, ridiculous.

Less attacks and more sports talk is always appreciated

Then he wouldn't respond.

 

[JohnRossEwing]

Less attacks and more sports talk is always appreciated

Soooooo...like GBRs post?

 

[JohnRossEwing]

I win! Thanks