Palmquist

Joey Bacala

All-Conference
Aug 12, 2005
3,673
1,703
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It's real simple, don't listen to what Pike says in public. He can't play and he isn't a sharpshooter. If he was, he'd be on the floor. Pay attention to PT not to BS. Reiber/Mag/Palm all need to be swapped out for real B1G players, we've seen enough. The B1G is not the place for developmental projects, which is what they all are.
 

S.W.A.I.N

All-Conference
Nov 23, 2004
4,579
4,863
81
It's real simple, don't listen to what Pike says in public. He can't play and he isn't a sharpshooter. If he was, he'd be on the floor. Pay attention to PT not to BS. Reiber/Mag/Palm all need to be swapped out for real B1G players, we've seen enough. The B1G is not the place for developmental projects, which is what they all are.
How can you be down on Mag?
 

DHajekRC84

Heisman
Aug 9, 2001
30,709
19,818
0
Never seen anyone do less with more.
Got the $100m APC.
Two years NCAA tournament.
Lost 2 if his top players. ( Imagine if Baker and RHj went overseas).

His recruiting is terrible and is about 20% successful. Thank God Hyatt didn't work out at LSU and fell back into his lap.
 

Rufaninga

All-Conference
Oct 8, 2010
3,873
4,407
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Never seen anyone do less with more.
Got the $100m APC.
Two years NCAA tournament.
Lost 2 if his top players. ( Imagine if Baker and RHj went overseas).

His recruiting is terrible and is about 20% successful. Thank God Hyatt didn't work out at LSU and fell back into his lap.
Pike got them to the tournament 2 years in a row. (Should have B4 COVID.. which was Not done in 30 years)

Recruiting takes more than 2 years of winning to get most kids interested & thinking about your program. Those were juniors and seniors in HS when we were good enough to break a 3 decade drought. In which kids were already locked into schools that were good and recruiting them for 3-4 years already.

Before then, kids saw a downtrodden program that never went to NCAA & had poor facilities.

U need to play well for kids in middle school & highschool to create general interest. A run in NCAA would go a long way too. We have yet to make sweet sixteen, let alone elite eight etc.
 

Woody522

Junior
Dec 7, 2013
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Pike got them to the tournament 2 years in a row. (Should have B4 COVID.. which was Not done in 30 years)

Recruiting takes more than 2 years of winning to get most kids interested & thinking about your program. Those were juniors and seniors in HS when we were good enough to break a 3 decade drought. In which kids were already locked into schools that were good and recruiting them for 3-4 years already.

Before then, kids saw a downtrodden program that never went to NCAA & had poor facilities.

U need to play well for kids in middle school & highschool to create general interest. A run in NCAA would go a long way too. We have yet to make sweet sixteen, let alone elite eight etc.
Other coaches brought in big recruits.

Chandler rosario echinique Nydiaye Lamizana Jack Mack..

I think in years past we were able to get those recruits because they saw clear paths to playing time.

Recently other than cliff (myles being only true big and covid situation) the team has had the most talent we've ever had but it's been mainly developed talent so top recruits really haven't seen situations to easy playing time.

Just my 2 cents
 

GoodOl'Rutgers

Heisman
Sep 11, 2006
123,974
19,586
0
Always happy regardless of the circumstances. How's that make you feel?
To tell you the truth... it makes me feel like you are a liar or insane. (yes, I know you weren't talking to me... but "always"?)

is this you?
 

Mr. Magoo1

Heisman
Nov 15, 2001
15,474
16,323
113
Then in my opinion I’d have to say you’re not a great judge of talent.
Time will tell. But remember, if he, or any player, winds up playing next season due to attrition or necessity, it does not automatically mean he is a B1G caliber player.
 
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PSAL_Hoops

Heisman
Feb 18, 2008
13,331
12,644
78
Mag looks ok to me on defense. He just needs to cut down on turnovers and sloppy play. I think he’ll develop.

Oscar, Dean, Agee not looking quite as promising.
 

DHajekRC84

Heisman
Aug 9, 2001
30,709
19,818
0
To tell you the truth... it makes me feel like you are a liar or insane. (yes, I know you weren't talking to me... but "always"?)

is this you?
LOL. I wasn't talking about me. I was referring to some of the others.
Clearly not me cause I was posting like some miserable SOB yesterday after the last BBall game and Football game.
Hell, I am not happy with some things . Doesn't mean that I'm not happy about others. But keyboard venting and arguing with some of the rainbow and lollypop crowd isn't worth it. Giving myself a TO.
 

RUChoppin

Heisman
Dec 1, 2006
19,270
13,695
0
Other coaches brought in big recruits.

Chandler rosario echinique Nydiaye Lamizana Jack Mack..

I think in years past we were able to get those recruits because they saw clear paths to playing time.

Recently other than cliff (myles being only true big and covid situation) the team has had the most talent we've ever had but it's been mainly developed talent so top recruits really haven't seen situations to easy playing time.

Just my 2 cents

4 star HS commits, per Rivals, by coach:

Gary Waters (2001-06)
Douby - committed 7/2003
Inman - committed 6/2004

Fred Hill (2006-10)
Chandler - committed 8/2005 to Waters, and stayed under Hill Jr.
N'Diaye - committed 4/2006 right after Hill was hired.
Rosario - committed 4/2007
Miller - committed 2/2008
Echenique - committed 3/2008

Mike Rice (2010-13)
Seagears - committed 9/2010
Jack - committed 9/2010

Eddie Jordan (2013-16)
Sanders - committed 9/2014

Fred Pikiell (2016-current)
Doucoure - Committed 12/2016
Harper - Committed 8/2017
Mathis - Committed 8/2017
Jones - Committed 3/2020
Omoruyi - Committed 3/2020

Waters didn't get a ton of big name guys during his time here.
Hill was hired as an assist as a great recruiter, and he lived up to that, but couldn't coach his way out of a paper bag.
Rice had one big class his first year, then nada (possibly because word was out among the players about his "style")
Jordan had one player, but also couldn't coach to save his life.
Pikiell has matched Hills' tally and has coached them to 2 NCAA-qualifying seasons.
 

GoodOl'Rutgers

Heisman
Sep 11, 2006
123,974
19,586
0
LOL. I wasn't talking about me. I was referring to some of the others.
Clearly not me cause I was posting like some miserable SOB yesterday after the last BBall game and Football game.
Hell, I am not happy with some things . Doesn't mean that I'm not happy about others. But keyboard venting and arguing with some of the rainbow and lollypop crowd isn't worth it. Giving myself a TO.
My mistake.. been making a number of those lately. Think I need some self-imposed time off. At least womens soccer had a happy ending today.
 

RU-Choppin-Ohio

Heisman
Jul 31, 2011
32,988
37,778
113
Other coaches brought in big recruits.

Chandler rosario echinique Nydiaye Lamizana Jack Mack..

I think in years past we were able to get those recruits because they saw clear paths to playing time.

Recently other than cliff (myles being only true big and covid situation) the team has had the most talent we've ever had but it's been mainly developed talent so top recruits really haven't seen situations to easy playing time.

Just my 2 cents
EDITED comment......

Your 2 cents are worth it.

Those coaches won Jack **** with their Big Recruits.

Pikiell ended the 25 year drought with his approach. 1 tourney appearance does not end the 25 year negative view of the program.
 
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Woody522

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Dec 7, 2013
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Your 2 cents are worth nothing.

Those coaches won Jack **** with their Big Recruits.

Pikiell ended the 25 year drought with his approach. ÀND, you are clueless if you think 1 tourney appearance just ends the 25 year negative view of the program.
You completely misinterpreted what I was saying
 
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hoquat63

All-Conference
Mar 17, 2005
9,138
4,433
45
4 star HS commits, per Rivals, by coach:

Gary Waters (2001-06)
Douby - committed 7/2003
Inman - committed 6/2004

Fred Hill (2006-10)
Chandler - committed 8/2005 to Waters, and stayed under Hill Jr.
N'Diaye - committed 4/2006 right after Hill was hired.
Rosario - committed 4/2007
Miller - committed 2/2008
Echenique - committed 3/2008

Mike Rice (2010-13)
Seagears - committed 9/2010
Jack - committed 9/2010

Eddie Jordan (2013-16)
Sanders - committed 9/2014

Fred Pikiell (2016-current)
Doucoure - Committed 12/2016
Harper - Committed 8/2017
Mathis - Committed 8/2017
Jones - Committed 3/2020
Omoruyi - Committed 3/2020

Waters didn't get a ton of big name guys during his time here.
Hill was hired as an assist as a great recruiter, and he lived up to that, but couldn't coach his way out of a paper bag.
Rice had one big class his first year, then nada (possibly because word was out among the players about his "style")
Jordan had one player, but also couldn't coach to save his life.
Pikiell has matched Hills' tally and has coached them to 2 NCAA-qualifying seasons.
Who recruited Sheridan?
 
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RUChoppin

Heisman
Dec 1, 2006
19,270
13,695
0
You completely misinterpreted what I was saying

Agree with the meaning of your post - but other coaches also weren't even that good at bringing in top recruits.

While Waters/Rice/Jordan did bring in the occasional big recruit - the only two to do it consistently were Hill and Pike, and Pike's the only one of the two of those who was able to develop players into a team.

From a recruiting standpoint, 2009 should have been a critical mass of talent that got us over the hump to the tournament.... N'Diaye (Sr), Mitchell (RS Jr), Coburn (Jr), Beatty (JUCO Jr), Echenique (So), Rosario (So), Miller (Fr), A. Johnson (Fr). Instead, we finished 15-17 and 159th in kenpom, Hill couldn't deliver on the court, couldn't reign in/develop Rosario, botched the relationship with Echenique, and then botched the relationship with Pernetti.

Palmquist might not ultimately work out, though there's still time - the real questions, though, are how well Omoruyi/Jones will develop and work out together, and if Pike can add another feature piece to share the court with them.
 

shields

Heisman
Aug 5, 2002
79,876
17,792
113
He lost Johnson, after covid don't blame kid for going home. Family can see him play. Tomorrow seeing my Mom for first time in two long years.
 

S.W.A.I.N

All-Conference
Nov 23, 2004
4,579
4,863
81
Time will tell. But remember, if he, or any player, winds up playing next season due to attrition or necessity, it does not automatically mean he is a B1G caliber player.
Mag baby. Talent evaluation is hard.
 
Feb 5, 2003
10,972
9,377
113
Oskar did hit one tonight and almost had a second, except he hadn't reestablished inbounds position before taking the pass. Without that bucket, maybe we lose.
 

Mr. Magoo1

Heisman
Nov 15, 2001
15,474
16,323
113
Hahahahahahahaha
And up to that point I had not. He played a great game today. I hope he keeps it up. See, unlike you who enjoys this silly stuff, I’m actually thrilled that he played well. I’ve been a fan for nearly 50 years and would love nothing more than to be proven wrong. Glad you are happy, though.