Past time to give Rich his due respect for W-L record

[Cuyahoga Falls Eers_rivals]

I just do not understand how anyone can say that Rich Rodriguez was NOT an outstanding coach at WVU!

He is the ONLY coach in WVU history to have THREE double-digit victory seasons! And he was only at WVU for 7 years. That’s double-digit victories almost half of his seasons with the Mountaineers. If Oliver Luck instead of Pastilong were AD at WVU when Rich was coach then WVU could have had a Nick Saban-like era for decades. What a golden opportunity was missed!

Don Nehlen, an excellent coach who did good things for my alma mater, in 21 seasons, did it TWICE.

Dana Holgorsen, another whipping boy for WVU fans, did it twice, in 7 seasons.

So Dana set a pace TWICE as god as Nehlen's for double-digit seasons, Rich set a pace that would be NINE double-digit seasons if he were around 21 seasons.

So why all the attacks on Rich, FOR HIS COACHING RECORD AT WVU?

And Dana, even, who was on pace to do it SIX TIMES in 21 seasons?


OK, Rich was an egomaniac, messed around with females, bad-mouthed WVU. What does that have to do with his double-digit seasons and 69.8% winning percentage, 2nd only to Clarence “Doc” Spears’ undefeated 1922 national championship team among coaches who have been head coach at WVU more than 3 years!?

People let their anger cloud what’s staring them in the face: Doc Spears was WVU’s most successful coach ever, Rich was #2 and Don was an excellent #3 and Dana wasn’t chopped liver with his two double-digit seasons.

The numbers are laughing at your hateful ignorance.

Stop hating the man so much that you thrash a W-L record that you would be dancing naked in the streets about if Neal Brown did it. It's so demeaning to the character of those who do it.

10-3 Holgorsen 2016

10-3 Holgorsen 2011

11-2 Rodriguez 2007

11-2 Rodriguez 2006

11-1 Rodriguez 2005

11-1 Nehlen 1993

11-1 Nehlen 1988

10-1 Carlen 1967

10-0-1 Spears 1922

 

[MichiganHerd]

It's all relevant to the time when each coach participated. Yeah, you could look at the 7 year snippet of the Rod years, but if you look at those 11 win seasons, you'll see he was scheduling at least a couple non-conference stiffs, as well as playing version 3 or 4 of the Big East. Granted, he had some talent on those 11 win teams, but he certainly wasn't playing a brutal schedule week in and week out. In fact, he probably should have won more games in each of those 11 win seasons with the talent discrepancy he had against the Big East foes.

 

[Cuyahoga Falls Eers_rivals]

It's all relevant to the time when each coach participated. Yeah, you could look at the 7 year snippet of the Rod years, but if you look at those 11 win seasons, you'll see he was scheduling at least a couple non-conference stiffs, as well as playing version 3 or 4 of the Big East. Granted, he had some talent on those 11 win teams, but he certainly wasn't playing a brutal schedule week in and week out. In fact, he probably should have won more games in each of those 11 win seasons with the talent discrepancy he had against the Big East foes.

WELL, NEHLEN PLAYED 2 TEAMS WITH WINNING RECORDS IN 1988. SHOULD BE DISCOUNT THAT SEASON THEN?

 

[MichiganHerd]

WELL, NEHLEN PLAYED 2 TEAMS WITH WINNING RECORDS IN 1988. SHOULD BE DISCOUNT THAT SEASON THEN?

Probably, now that you pointed it out.

 

[WVUFanForever]

Jesus Christ do we need another ******* thread on this?

 

[WVUALLEN]

CFE hss some kind of hardon for Rod Fraud. Have you cut and pasted this on 247 board. You already have it on BGN.

You've posted this multiple times. Is your dementia worsening? Or are you just confused as to which profile you are using?

Give up the ghost and move on from your boy toys rod fraud and foldgorsen.

 

[WVUALLEN]

WELL, NEHLEN PLAYED 2 TEAMS WITH WINNING RECORDS IN 1988. SHOULD BE DISCOUNT THAT SEASON THEN?

Nehlen teams played 11 game seasons. Rod Fraud started with 11 game season's but could not win double digits until they changed to 12 game seasons. Learn your numbers before making an *** of yourself and quit hating on a hall of fame coach.

Your other boy toy Foldgorsen couldn't win 10 in 2011 until his 13th game. In 2016 probably his best team especially defensively he couldn't beat the top 2 teams that mattered most. That 2016 season was his ceiling. He was never going to be better than that. Even with his great offensive team of 2017 and 2018 he couldn't break 8 wins. He would have been lucky to win more than 5 the past 2 season's.

 

[Cuyahoga Falls Eers_rivals]

Jesus Christ do we need another ****ing thread on this?

THERE IS IGNORE, YOU KNOW. NO ONE FORCED YOU TO READ IT. PASS UP SUPERIOR INFORMATION AND STAY IGNORANT.

 

[GA EER]

I don’t think many would say Rich was not a good coach at WVU. You just can’t leave a place via complete scorched earth campaign and expect the fanbase to blow hugs and kisses up your ***.

Oh and completely nutting up as a 28 point favorite at home at night versus your arch rival (who was terrible that year) and blowing the best chance we have ever had and probably ever will have at a natty title has something to do with fan opinions of him also.

Just my humble opinion.

 

[WVUFanForever]

PASS UP SUPERIOR INFORMATION AND STAY IGNORANT.

When you post some please let me know....instead we are just stuck with your ******** "NUMBERS" posting.

 

[Rootmaster]

I agree with CFE on this. RichRod was an innovative coach that built WVU's national profile on the solid foundation that Don N put in place. Bill S. maintained the pace until Oliver it's-all-about-me Luck set the Mountaineers back a decade with the weird hiring of Dana the idiot.

 

[Darth_VadEER]

THERE IS IGNORE, YOU KNOW. NO ONE FORCED YOU TO READ IT. PASS UP SUPERIOR INFORMATION AND STAY IGNORANT.

It amazes me that a man who is 88, and brags about his Journalism degree and career, can spend his days spewing crap online in all caps...

 

[WVUALLEN]

I agree with CFE on this. RichRod was an innovative coach that built WVU's national profile on the solid foundation that Don N put in place. Bill S. maintained the pace until Oliver it's-all-about-me Luck set the Mountaineers back a decade with the weird hiring of Dana the idiot.

Yet he couldn't win anywhere else because he didn't have Pat White or a Steve Slaton.

He used that to his advantage to bail and consequently prove to the world he was average or below.

 

[Cuyahoga Falls Eers_rivals]

It amazes me that a man who is 88, and brags about his Journalism degree and career, can spend his days spewing crap online in all caps...

spewing crap online

IT'S CALLED THE TRUTH. AND THE WORDS COUNT, NOT WHO TYPES THEM, WHO READS THEM, OR THE CAPS, OR THE BOLD FONT. IF YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH, JUST ADMIT. STOP FINDING SOMETHING SO PETTY AS CAPS OR BOLD FONT. RICH DID AN AMAZING JOB AT WVU. THE NUMBERS PROVE IT. WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT. WHETHER YOU, OR ME, LIKE RICH PERSONALLY OR NOT. WHY DO PEOPLE GET SO ANGRY WHEN THE TRUTH GOES AGAINST THEIR BIAS? KILL THE MESSENGER NEVER GOES OUT OF STYLE. I'M WITHSTOOD IF FROM GOVERNORS AND SENATORS. I CAN HANDLE IT FROM SPORTS FANS, TOO. AS LONG AS I LIKE THE GUY I SEE IN THE MIRROR, EVERYTHING ELSE IS LOWER ON THE TOTEM POLE TO ME.

 

[Rootmaster]

Yet he couldn't win anywhere else because he didn't have Pat White or a Steve Slaton.

He used that to his advantage to bail and consequently prove to the world he was average or below.

Coaching changes cut both ways. Don N wanted to keep coaching but the BOG wanted a new more wide open style. Don was cast aside. Bill S won 9 games each season but Luck wanted a more wide open style so he not only dumped Stewart but embarrassed the man with the stupid coach in waiting ********. People that hate RR are little children.

 

[Cuyahoga Falls Eers_rivals]

Coaching changes cut both ways. Don N wanted to keep coaching but the BOG wanted a new more wide open style. Don was cast aside. Bill S won 9 gamed each season but Luck wanted a more wide ipen dtyle so he not only dumped Stewart but embarrassed thenman with the stupid coach in waiting ********. People that hate RR are little children.

People that hate RR are little children.

BEST SENTENCE IN THIS WHOLE THREAD.

 

[WVUALLEN]

People that hate RR are little children.

BEST SENTENCE IN THIS WHOLE THREAD.

You're a Biden that loves little children who touch your hairy legs.

 

[WVUALLEN]

Coaching changes cut both ways. Don N wanted to keep coaching but the BOG wanted a new more wide open style. Don was cast aside. Bill S won 9 games each season but Luck wanted a more wide open style so he not only dumped Stewart but embarrassed the man with the stupid coach in waiting ********. People that hate RR are little children.

Nehlen should have retired a few years earlier than he did. Rod Fraud was average like the rest of our good coaches until Pat White and his crew. Had he stayed he would fallen into that 7-5 category again.

People that still have a hard on for RR are illiterate senile tool bags.

 

[WVUALLEN]

spewing crap online

IT'S CALLED THE TRUTH. AND THE WORDS COUNT, NOT WHO TYPES THEM, WHO READS THEM, OR THE CAPS, OR THE BOLD FONT. IF YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH, JUST ADMIT. STOP FINDING SOMETHING SO PETTY AS CAPS OR BOLD FONT. RICH DID AN AMAZING JOB AT WVU. THE NUMBERS PROVE IT. WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT. WHETHER YOU, OR ME, LIKE RICH PERSONALLY OR NOT. WHY DO PEOPLE GET SO ANGRY WHEN THE TRUTH GOES AGAINST THEIR BIAS? KILL THE MESSENGER NEVER GOES OUT OF STYLE. I'M WITHSTOOD IF FROM GOVERNORS AND SENATORS. I CAN HANDLE IT FROM SPORTS FANS, TOO. AS LONG AS I LIKE THE GUY I SEE IN THE MIRROR, EVERYTHING ELSE IS LOWER ON THE TOTEM POLE TO ME.

Because your truth is like the liberal way. Half told one sided.

 

[Buckaineer]

Rodriguez could have been a great coach. But he chose to tear down what built him up.

No one is going to celebrate that. He destroyed his own career and damaged WVU in a way it still hasn't recovered from.

 

[WVUALLEN]

Perhaps the first time ever Buckaineer has posted something with substance. Good job.

 

[Cuyahoga Falls Eers_rivals]

Rodriguez could have been a great coach. But he chose to tear down what built him up.

No one is going to celebrate that. He destroyed his own career and damaged WVU in a way it still hasn't recovered from.

After Rich, WVU went
9-4 in 2008 with carryover Rich players
9-4 in 2009
9-4 in 2010
10-3 in 2011
7-6 in 2012
4-9 in 2013
7-6 in 2014
8-5 in 2015
10-3 in 2016
7-6 in 2017
8-4 in 2018
Then came Neal Brown
5-7 in 2019
6-4 in 2020
So SIX OF THE ELEVEN SEASONS after Rich were better than Nehlen’s 21-year average of 7-4. Neither you nor I would say that Don damaged WVU for years.
Neal Brown had the worst 2-season stretch at WVU since Dana in 2013 and 2014 (and 2012 and 2013).
So how did Rich “damage WVU in a way it still hasn't recovered from”?
The numbers say that Dana and Neal did it. Neal had the 1st losing season in 6 years. Dana was below .500 for a 3-year stretch.
Your hatred of Rich, which is deserved on a human but not WVU coaching record level, has destroyed your ability to see reality.

 

[WVUALLEN]

After Rich, WVU went
9-4 in 2008 with carryover Rich players
9-4 in 2009
9-4 in 2010
10-3 in 2011
7-6 in 2012
4-9 in 2013
7-6 in 2014
8-5 in 2015
10-3 in 2016
7-6 in 2017
8-4 in 2018
Then came Neal Brown
5-7 in 2019
6-4 in 2020
So SIX OF THE ELEVEN SEASONS after Rich were better than Nehlen’s 21-year average of 7-4. Neither you nor I would say that Don damaged WVU for years.
Neal Brown had the worst 2-season stretch at WVU since Dana in 2013 and 2014 (and 2012 and 2013).
So how did Rich “damage WVU in a way it still hasn't recovered from”?
The numbers say that Dana and Neal did it. Neal had the 1st losing season in 6 years. Dana was below .500 for a 3-year stretch.
Your hatred of Rich, which is deserved on a human but not WVU coaching record level, has destroyed your ability to see reality.

Your falsification of quotes is what makes you dumb and dumber. Also proves you are buckshiteer.

Don Nehlen HOF. Rod Fraud 3 good years.

When you coach for 21 years in 11 game seasons then there will be vast differences. Rod never had to face PSU and PITT powerhouse teams. Maryland was a top team when Nehlen coached here.

Rod Fraud rode a wave of 3 great years with Pat White and used it to swell his ego and flee. Then failed.

I have given rod fraud his props for Pat White era but the clown never intended to be here long.

Here is where you need to merge your ******** from now on.

https://westvirginia.forums.rivals....ur-daily-rod-thread-here.253877/#post-3309227

 

[spartansstink]

How Rod and Dana were alike:

1) They were offensive-minded coaches with a wide open style of play that was capable of putting plenty of points on the scoreboard.
2) Defense was always optional. Each brought in some NFL talent defensively, but they were scattered across the field with several barely FCS level talent, too.

Each could get WVU almost to the summit but never quite to the top. Good while they were here, arguably average at best when they left.

That should sum things up here...

 

[Rootmaster]

Dana got nowhere near the summit. Took WVU deep into a valley.

 

[OlegeezEER]

How Rod and Dana were alike:

1) They were offensive-minded coaches with a wide open style of play that was capable of putting plenty of points on the scoreboard.
2) Defense was always optional. Each brought in some NFL talent defensively, but they were scattered across the field with several barely FCS level talent, too.

Each could get WVU almost to the summit but never quite to the top. Good while they were here, arguably average at best when they left.

That should sum things up here...

No coach ever got wvu to the summit

 

[Cuyahoga Falls Eers_rivals]

No coach ever got wvu to the summit

NOT EVEN CLARENCE "DOC" SPEARS WITH THE 1922 UNDEFEATED NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP TEAM, THE ONLY MOUNTAINEER TEAM TO NOT LOSE A GAME IN THE REGULAR SEASON AND THE POST-SEASON? IF A NO-LOSS SEASON ISN'T "THE SUMMIT," WHAT IS? NICK SABAN NUMBERS?

 

[WVUALLEN]

1922 Doc Spears 10-0-1 (did not win title game)

That tie with power house 5-3-1 Washington & Lee at Laidley Field in Charkeston, WV is probably what did him in.

Maybe it was the close call against WV Wesleyan at Fairmont that cost some votes.

They definently get props for blowing out Marietta 55-0.

But squeezing past 5-3 Gonzaga 21-13 in the 1922 San Diego East-West Christmas Classic cost them big time.

This is a Marshall like CUSA SCHEDULE.

 

[Rootmaster]

NOT EVEN CLARENCE "DOC" SPEARS WITH THE 1922 UNDEFEATED NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP TEAM, THE ONLY MOUNTAINEER TEAM TO NOT LOSE A GAME IN THE REGULAR SEASON AND THE POST-SEASON? IF A NO-LOSS SEASON ISN'T "THE SUMMIT," WHAT IS? NICK SABAN NUMBERS?

Why do insist on using the same lines post after post? It is a dead giveaway that this persona is at best...dubious. Just sayin '.

 

[Shirley Knott]

I just do not understand how anyone can say that Rich Rodriguez was NOT an outstanding coach at WVU!

He is the ONLY coach in WVU history to have THREE double-digit victory seasons! And he was only at WVU for 7 years. That’s double-digit victories almost half of his seasons with the Mountaineers. If Oliver Luck instead of Pastilong were AD at WVU when Rich was coach then WVU could have had a Nick Saban-like era for decades. What a golden opportunity was missed!

Don Nehlen, an excellent coach who did good things for my alma mater, in 21 seasons, did it TWICE.

Dana Holgorsen, another whipping boy for WVU fans, did it twice, in 7 seasons.

So Dana set a pace TWICE as god as Nehlen's for double-digit seasons, Rich set a pace that would be NINE double-digit seasons if he were around 21 seasons.

So why all the attacks on Rich, FOR HIS COACHING RECORD AT WVU?

And Dana, even, who was on pace to do it SIX TIMES in 21 seasons?


OK, Rich was an egomaniac, messed around with females, bad-mouthed WVU. What does that have to do with his double-digit seasons and 69.8% winning percentage, 2nd only to Clarence “Doc” Spears’ undefeated 1922 national championship team among coaches who have been head coach at WVU more than 3 years!?

People let their anger cloud what’s staring them in the face: Doc Spears was WVU’s most successful coach ever, Rich was #2 and Don was an excellent #3 and Dana wasn’t chopped liver with his two double-digit seasons.

The numbers are laughing at your hateful ignorance.

Stop hating the man so much that you thrash a W-L record that you would be dancing naked in the streets about if Neal Brown did it. It's so demeaning to the character of those who do it.

10-3 Holgorsen 2016

10-3 Holgorsen 2011

11-2 Rodriguez 2007

11-2 Rodriguez 2006

11-1 Rodriguez 2005

11-1 Nehlen 1993

11-1 Nehlen 1988

10-1 Carlen 1967

10-0-1 Spears 1922

Burned every bridge and scorched several interstates when he left for Mich... He gets exactly what he deserves....

 

[Cuyahoga Falls Eers_rivals]

Why do insist on using the same lines post after post? It is a dead giveaway that this persona is at best...dubious. Just sayin '.

MAYBE BECAUSE THE TRUTH DOESN'T CHANGE JUST BECAUSE YOU CAN'T HANDLE IT.

 

[Rootmaster]

MAYBE BECAUSE THE TRUTH DOESN'T CHANGE JUST BECAUSE YOU CAN'T HANDLE IT.

That answer is exactly why I asked you a serious question. Dubious.

 

[locustwv]

Rich got very lucky with Pat white and Steve slaton. Don’t get me wrong I thought he was a good coach but could he have done it without them?

 

[michaelwalkerbr]

I just do not understand how anyone can say that Rich Rodriguez was NOT an outstanding coach at WVU!

He is the ONLY coach in WVU history to have THREE double-digit victory seasons! And he was only at WVU for 7 years. That’s double-digit victories almost half of his seasons with the Mountaineers. If Oliver Luck instead of Pastilong were AD at WVU when Rich was coach then WVU could have had a Nick Saban-like era for decades. What a golden opportunity was missed!

Don Nehlen, an excellent coach who did good things for my alma mater, in 21 seasons, did it TWICE.

Dana Holgorsen, another whipping boy for WVU fans, did it twice, in 7 seasons.

So Dana set a pace TWICE as god as Nehlen's for double-digit seasons, Rich set a pace that would be NINE double-digit seasons if he were around 21 seasons.

So why all the attacks on Rich, FOR HIS COACHING RECORD AT WVU?

And Dana, even, who was on pace to do it SIX TIMES in 21 seasons?


OK, Rich was an egomaniac, messed around with females, bad-mouthed WVU. What does that have to do with his double-digit seasons and 69.8% winning percentage, 2nd only to Clarence “Doc” Spears’ undefeated 1922 national championship team among coaches who have been head coach at WVU more than 3 years!?

People let their anger cloud what’s staring them in the face: Doc Spears was WVU’s most successful coach ever, Rich was #2 and Don was an excellent #3 and Dana wasn’t chopped liver with his two double-digit seasons.

The numbers are laughing at your hateful ignorance.

Stop hating the man so much that you thrash a W-L record that you would be dancing naked in the streets about if Neal Brown did it. It's so demeaning to the character of those who do it.

10-3 Holgorsen 2016

10-3 Holgorsen 2011

11-2 Rodriguez 2007

11-2 Rodriguez 2006

11-1 Rodriguez 2005

11-1 Nehlen 1993

11-1 Nehlen 1988

10-1 Carlen 1967

10-0-1 Spears 1922

"Past time to give Rich his due respect for W-L record" OK, fair enough and you just did. His won-loss record speaks for itself, isn't that sufficient?

 

[Rootmaster]

Rich got very lucky with Pat white and Steve slaton. Don’t get me wrong I thought he was a good coach but could he have done it without them?

Could day that about any successful coach in America...and any team without it's stars.

 

[WVUALLEN]

Could day that about any successful coach in America...and any team without it's stars.

But all those others are still succeeding. Can you say that about Rod. Nobody knows how he would have if he stayed perhaps continues on top or falls back to the 7 win average. Perhaps becomes a flop against Big 12 talent.

 

[Cuyahoga Falls Eers_rivals]

"Past time to give Rich his due respect for W-L record" OK, fair enough and you just did. His won-loss record speaks for itself, isn't that sufficient?

His won-loss record speaks for itself, isn't that sufficient?

NOT AS LONG AS PEOPLE KEEP SAYING WHAT A TERRIBLE COACH RICH WAS FOR WVU. JUST DEFENDING THE TRUTH, WHICH WVU J SCHOOL AND 43 YEARS OF BEING A JOURNALIST TAUGHT ME TO DO EVERY DAY. STILL DO IT.

 

[WVUALLEN]

His won-loss record speaks for itself, isn't that sufficient?

NOT AS LONG AS PEOPLE KEEP SAYING WHAT A TERRIBLE COACH RICH WAS FOR WVU. JUST DEFENDING THE TRUTH, WHICH WVU J SCHOOL AND 43 YEARS OF BEING A JOURNALIST TAUGHT ME TO DO EVERY DAY. STILL DO IT.

Nobody has said he was a terrible coach for WVU. it was after his head swelled and ran to Michigan that he became terrible coach and failure.

You've never been a journalist except perhaps inside your own tiny brain.

 

[Rootmaster]

His won-loss record speaks for itself, isn't that sufficient?

NOT AS LONG AS PEOPLE KEEP SAYING WHAT A TERRIBLE COACH RICH WAS FOR WVU. JUST DEFENDING THE TRUTH, WHICH WVU J SCHOOL AND 43 YEARS OF BEING A JOURNALIST TAUGHT ME TO DO EVERY DAY. STILL DO IT.

I have been agreeing with you on RichRod but your insistence on cutting and pasting the same crap about your professed expertise makes it increasingly hard to do so. No one cares and it sure doesn't help your argument. Just sayin '. Stop being so obnoxious.

 

[Rootmaster]

But all those others are still succeeding. Can you say that about Rod. Nobody knows how he would have if he stayed perhaps continues on top or falls back to the 7 win average. Perhaps becomes a flop against Big 12 talent.

Who cares about before or after wvu lol? Let me say this slow for you. RichRod was a great coach at wvu while he was coach at wvu. Gave the Mountaineers a unique personality and a renewed national profile. Now...stay on topic.