Patterson out per Veazey...

[shaschboy]

Just read where he's not interested.

Let me say this to the board-we all need to be aware that Byrne is doing everything possible to hire the best candidate. The media critisism of coaching at MSU is definately not helping. Byrne has an extreme uphill battle. He wants to hire the best candidate, but is having to do an extreme sales job on the coach to come here.

I know we all want the best guy, but granted, we will hire someone that some of you WILL NOT LIKE. It could be Tubbs. It could be Holtz. It definately may be Dooley. I just want everyone to understand that LT did nothing for the betterment of our school, except for hiring Byrne, and that was probably an accident. Hell, I don't even know if LT did the hiring.

I guess what I'm trying to say is be patient and also be supportive. Byrne has done what everybody on this board wanted and that was to rid our school of Croom. Now, whoever we get, please understand that Greg knows that his future lies with this hire. I truly believe that Peterson is still in the mix, but I won't be a bit surprised if we hire Dooley.
I know that Dooley will infuriate many of you, but I think he wouldn't be that bad of a fit.

 

[shaschboy]

Just read where he's not interested.

Let me say this to the board-we all need to be aware that Byrne is doing everything possible to hire the best candidate. The media critisism of coaching at MSU is definately not helping. Byrne has an extreme uphill battle. He wants to hire the best candidate, but is having to do an extreme sales job on the coach to come here.

I know we all want the best guy, but granted, we will hire someone that some of you WILL NOT LIKE. It could be Tubbs. It could be Holtz. It definately may be Dooley. I just want everyone to understand that LT did nothing for the betterment of our school, except for hiring Byrne, and that was probably an accident. Hell, I don't even know if LT did the hiring.

I guess what I'm trying to say is be patient and also be supportive. Byrne has done what everybody on this board wanted and that was to rid our school of Croom. Now, whoever we get, please understand that Greg knows that his future lies with this hire. I truly believe that Peterson is still in the mix, but I won't be a bit surprised if we hire Dooley.
I know that Dooley will infuriate many of you, but I think he wouldn't be that bad of a fit.

 

[8dog]

its just not that easy for non-major powers to go get someone else's coach, particularly one that's had sustained success. In fact, its pretty damn hard to do so regardless of money.

 

[topdawg.sixpack]

I agree. I dont think it is our job, I think it has to do with alot of people we are contacting. Patterson has been at TCU for close to 10 years, and hasnt left yet, and one would think he has had many opportunities to do so. Petersen has never left the states of California, Oregon and Idaho for a job (except for the one year at Pitt). It may not be "poor ole" MSU, it may be that these coaches are comfortable where they are, and when and or if they make a jump, they pick somewhere that is closer to the comfort zone.

To be honest, I dont think anyone really knows what Byrne is doing, so everything read on here is speculation.

 

[dawgstudent]

Not saying he isn't telling the truth but...

<font size="2" face="georgia,palatino">ADD ANOTHER: TCU's Gary Patterson claims no interest in the MSU job, according to an item in this morning's Starkville Daily News. It quotes the TCU media relations guy, Mark Cohen, as saying this: "I'm not sure about (contact from MSU) to be honest with you," he said, "but I can say that he is not interested in the position."</font>

 

[8dog]

made by those that aren't major powers (and some that could be considered powers):

Illinois: Zook
Miami: In house coord.
Oregon: In house coord.
FSU: Hired a coord to be coach in waiting
Nebraska: Def. Coord.
TN: Off Coord/Guy who somehow got NFL job but lost it
TX A&M: Fired NFL Coach
T. boone Pickens University: In house coord.
West Virginia: In house coord.

The best hires have been pure luck..guys out of a job or looking to get out of a pro job: Petrino to Ark, Nutt to OM, Davis to UNC, Spurrier to SC.

going to get someone else's coach is tough.

 

[TR.sixpack]

Tony Barnhardt mentioned MSU taking heat, but where is it?

 

[fwsultan]

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[shaschboy]

I listen to it daily on JOX here in B-ham. Finebaum has hammered our school. The national guys that are on with Barker and Del Greco in the morning say the same thing-it's the worse school to go coach for. I will give Finebaum some prop's for saying, somewhat, the Byrne is trying to change that. He blasted Croom last night to a caller who said that why would anyone want to go there and why did we fire Croom. Finebaum said Croom ran the most inept offense he's ever seen on a major college level. He also said that 5 years to win and only did it for 1 and that was a fluke.</p>

 

[TR.sixpack]

Sorry, but Finebaum has always looked down his nose at State. No one is talking about MSU down here in SE La, and I haven't seen any criticism on national outlets.

 

[Optimus Prime 4]

And I have no idea who barker and del greco are. They're national?

 

[Anti Dawg.nafoom]

It's too easy for him not to.

 

[shaschboy]

due to the Alabama connection with Croom and his staff. But we get a lot of national coverage as well with guests they have here. WJOX has a pretty good reputation for pulling in top reporters from around the country. The sentiment about firing Croom was short lived and didn't take fire from what I'm hearing. What I am hearing is that you would have to be a fool to go coach there. That is the perception nationally. We have, because of LT, built a reputation of being a bunch of country bumpkins. Byrne is changing that, but it's hard to undo what has been instilled.

 

[Original48]

the youth movement/change from the old way of doing things at Mississippi State. That may have been the only perfect timing ever to occur here...LT steps down, Fogelsong hires Byrne, then resigns, Polk retires...Raffo assumed to be coach, Byrne hires Cohen, Byrne fires Croom. Amazing trigger of events. Fogelsong's tenure, in my eyes, could be what turns things around for us athletically. And I agree with you,shasch, Byrne is selling his *** off right now and if we don't make the HUGE splash everybody wants its because those guys are just staying put waiting for something better.

 

[Anti Dawg.nafoom]

and no, they don't bad talk MSU at all. Barker, I promise, has plenty of respect for MSU. He's said so many times.

 

[RebelBruiser]

I'm assuming that Veazey is simply taking all the rumored candidates and then calling around to try to see if he can get an idea of they are interested or if they've been contacted. First off, you guys should be glad to have Veazey, because with this situation and with the Polk/Cohen situation, he's probably done about as good of a job of reporting as I've seen from a beat writer. He's worked pretty hard to get as much information as possible for the MSU fans.

Anyway, I wouldn't necessarily take it as a hard fact when Veazey reports that someone says they aren't interested. Reason being, most of these coaches are prepping for bowl games right now, and the best Veazey is going to get from these guys is an "I'm not interested" or a "No comment". You won't see too many coaches talk about being interested in a job until they know they have the job, or unless they are trying to use the job to negotiate a better deal at their current school. Patterson may not be interested, but at the same time, he may just be trying to keep things hushed even if he was interested.

 

[hullabaloodog]

Their media relations guy is going to say "He's not interested." As far as Mark Cohen is concerned, unless Patterson told him 'I'm interested in the MSU job," then he has every reason to believe that he is not interested.

 

[gtowndawg]

most schools take a chance on a coach. Some are just lucky and they catch lightning in a bottle.

 

[DynamicDawg]

What media criticism? I think criticism from so-called "fans" is far more detrimental.

 

[Shmuley]

He sucked. He's gone. Good riddance.

 

[FlabLoser]

No currently-employed coach is going to publicly admit interest in another job. Deny, deny, deny.

 

[RonnyAtmosphere]

...as a patsy during coaching searches, don't you?

If Patterson is really interested in the job, the first step is to convey dis-information propaganda to all the Veazey types so everybody will leave Patterson the hell alone.

A lot of people get used during coaching searches; especially in high profile searches that involve SEC schools.

And the people who get used the worst are reporters.

 

[TBonewannabe]

Some of these people are just spouting off trying to get callers.

 

[Coach34]

your 1st post that was worth a ****...congrats, that was dead on...We wont know **** till they are scheduling a press conference most probably

 

[GloryDawg]

The media is just mad because we got rid of a Black Coach. They will get over it. This crap about pressure at Miss State is just crap. We gave Croom five seasons. No other school in the country would have given that kind of rope. After three years with no improvement every other school would have fired his ***.

If a coach at BSU, TCU or were ever wants to sit where they are because they feel safe and wait on another school and don't want to take a chance with Miss State and a pay raise, I don't want them. They are spineless **** birds and are all hype. If they were really good coaches and had confidence in their ability they would be all over a pay raise.

Sorry for the rant.

Now, I like the original poster believe that our AD will do the right thing and get the best coach possible. Hell if it is Dooley, I won't be happy but he will be better than the crap we had for the past five seasons and you never know, he might be the next Saban a diamond uncut.

 

[RonnyAtmosphere]

nm

 

[Stansfield]

"I just want everyone to understand that LT did nothing for the betterment of our school" He was our AD during some of our best years in all three sports and was responsible for some of the best athletic facilities in the country. I don't know how anyone can say that "LT did nothing for the betterment of our school". That's just ridiculous.

 

[shaschboy]

"I just want everyone to understand that LT did nothing for the betterment of our school" He was our AD during some of our best years in all three sports and was responsible for some of the best athletic facilities in the country. I don't know how anyone can say that "LT did nothing for the betterment of our school". That's just ridiculous.

Please for the love of God, will everyone share their thoughts on Stansfield's statement that I'm ridiculous for stating that LT did nothing for the betterment of our school. I'll refrain from posting my thoughts to hear all of yours.
Thank you!

 

[dawgstudent]

but right now, Byrne is proving that so much more could have been done.

Remember this, Croom went to a bowl and won SEC Coach of the Year. Doesn't mean he was a great HC.

 

[lawdawg02]

i thought he would've been a good get a get a couple of years ago. he was DC at texas and auburn, and had some stout defenses. he has struggled and had to completely clean house after this season.

 

[shaschboy]

He got lucky with Williams because no one else wanted the job and told Richard that all he had to do was win 1 or 2 SEC games every year(that per Richard Williams). He got lucky with Sherrill because yet again, no one wanted the job. LT agreed to sell out our games in Tampa and Orlando. LT agreed to go to La. Tech and MTSU. LT voted with the conference to ban cowbells. I'm still looking for those good things he did. He was committed to about 5-10 donors and never cared crap about anyone else. He had zero vision for us and just wanted to get by.

I knew when I ran into Greg Byrne in the club level and he was carrying chairs from one side to the other that this guy would be good. He is working at breakneck speed to get our name synonymous with success. He will bring people in and will do a masterful sales job to change our image. I feel that after this year, we should double his salary.

 

[TheHorrorTheHorror]

wasnt Templeton at least partially responsible for expanding seating @ Davis-Wade?
the upper deck was being built when i was finishing up. then they closed up the end zone to added seating...
not real sure when Templeton Started, but my freshman and sophomore years were the best i've ever seen out of MSU. (98 & 99)

 

[TheHorrorTheHorror]

then there's always the Sherrill "recuiting", too.
i can't say he was great, but there were some good things that emerged under his watch...

 

[saltybulldog]

I liken it more to being on the train...not driving it. The things that happened during LT's tenure were probably going to happen no matter who was there. We could have had a head coach acting as AD and had the same **** done. Of course, alot of the good happened in spite of LT.

 

[patdog]

Templeton inherited Williams, he didn't hire him. Either Charlie Scott or Charlie Carr hired him (we had 2 ADs named Charlie who each lasted just a couple of years back in the 80s). And there's a lot of rumors that we only hired Sherrill because Dr. Z overruled Templeton, who didn't want him.

 

[Todd4State]

Ray Perkins after we fired Rocky?

 

[rhs43]

If these coaches want to take on a challenge and prove themselves, then they need to come on over to Starkville, MS.

 

[shaschboy]

after his first year when he was dressed like a clown. Don't know how many of you youngsters saw it. Pretty good read. Templeton and Zach. met with Sherrill and it was pretty much "We're desperate!" and we don't have much money. Larry did not work for anybody but the cigar boys. That's a fact. Had he worked the alumni the way Byrne does, we could have hired someone who was up and coming i.e. Tuberville, Beamer, Mac Brown. Hell, if LT had any sense the last time, we could have hired Paul Johnson or Mike Leech for crying out loud, but instead, we got Croom.

Look how much money the school raises for general studies and you have had good people out there drumming it up. One be Bo Hemphill, who got put in charge due to Foglesong. Foglesong saw the kind of people who were working hard and trying to better the University. LT was not one of them. That is why he was relieved. Had we had someone with a little marketing sense and a little salesmanship, we could have taken off.

We now have that man in charge of athletic department. Let's just hope we can keep him.