Paul declares for the draft (Maintaining Eligibility)

[SBP]

Rewatch the PSU game DS won that game by himself and it was the first time he was used volume minutes on the ball. Agreed early he was not ready but clearly that was not the case. After the PSU game perfect opportunity for Pike to give him another shot against Minnesota. Pike went back to Paul and buried DS in the corner and only gave him 11/12 min??

Not all season but those last 8 games yes. We would have been dancing

THIS! That game cost us the tournament no doubt, we had momentum thanks to Derek, and he sat almost all game! Pike really blew that game because of that. Head scratcher.

IF Paul comes back, and he really is a “team guy” he should move to the 3 or 4 next to Gavin..

 

[MiloTalon13]

He was a lot better in the B1G tournament - not just because he got up shots, but because he was putting pressure on the defenses with dribble penetration, which was a wrinkle our offense hadn't had throughout most of the year. Spencer would occasionally pick some moments to drive, but Mulcahy was more deliberate in backing down defenders. Simpson's game has much more slasher to it, and it opened things up for us offensively.

We went 1-1 and score 62 and 65 points
It was exciting because it was different and we had been so bad offensively
He wasn’t very good

 

[RUChoppin]

We went 1-1 and score 62 and 65 points
It was exciting because it was different and we had been so bad offensively
He wasn’t very good

Two of the three highest Adj0 games were in the last 3 games of the year. 127.5 @Northwetern, 124.3 vs. Hofstra, 121.4 (N) Purdue.

Simpson was better than he was earlier in the year. He wasn't the second coming of Steph Curry, but he was noticeably improved.

 

[RUBlackout7]

100%. He is a pass first guy. That’s why he lead the Big Ten in assists in 2021-22 and was 5th in 2022-23.

Pass first guards are a thing of the past. Time for him to move on.

 

[MiloTalon13]

Two of the three highest Adj0 games were in the last 3 games of the year. 127.5 @Northwetern, 124.3 vs. Hofstra, 121.4 (N) Purdue.

Simpson was better than he was earlier in the year. He wasn't the second coming of Steph Curry, but he was noticeably improved.

If he plays like that next season and gets starter minutes we will be one of the worst teams in the B1G
If he improves every aspect of his game significantly we could be good
That seems to be what most are expecting but I’m skeptical

 

[Nycrusupporter]

I think Paul’s NBA foray is great for Pike. He can feel free to go out and get the best point guard he can find by essentially offering him significant minutes. If Paul comes back, Pike can tell him I am sorry but I filled your old role, but we can find minutes for you playing anywhere from 1 to 4.

 

[Scangg]

Rewatch the PSU game DS won that game by himself and it was the first time he was used volume minutes on the ball. Agreed early he was not ready but clearly that was not the case. After the PSU game perfect opportunity for Pike to give him another shot against Minnesota. Pike went back to Paul and buried DS in the corner and only gave him 11/12 min??

Not all season but those last 8 games yes. We would have been dancing

The game before he really struggled against Michigan. I agree after PSU he should have played more against Minnesota but now we are talking the last 2 games of the season. He did play more against NW then started

 

[Scangg]

I still don't get the "turn the reins over" sentiment. Simpson should have gotten more minutes - but not at significant expense to Mulcahy's minutes. In the final games where he finally saw starter-level minutes, he saw them come from Hyatt's bucket - not Mulcahy's.

I'd have liked to have seen Simpson on the floor more after Mag went down - taking 1-2 minutes each from Spencer/Mulcahy/McConnell and the rest from Hyatt. He offered a skillset that we didn't get from other players - but you don't just swap Mulcahy/Simpson's minutes.

I think Mulcahy's natural position is more of a point-forward at the 3. Putting Simpson at the 1 spot allows him to put dribble penetration pressure and draw the quicker defenders away from Mulcahy, allowing him to operate and drive the offense against wings instead.

Both Paul and Simpson benefited from being on the court at the same time bc it takes pressure off for them each to make something happen each trip down the floor

Simpson's ability to get to the lane is huge. We just need him to step up his efficiency for next season

 

[needmorecowbell]

Both Paul and Simpson benefited from being on the court at the same time bc it takes pressure off for them each to make something happen each trip down the floor

Simpson's ability to get to the lane is huge. We just need him to step up his efficiency for next season

I totally agree. RU needs a player like Simpson who can collapse the defense, penetrate, score or kick. Paul can really distribute and find players for open shots. Both players can benefit sharing the balling handling responsibility. On the court together or separately. They both offer different skills and Rutgers will be at their best with both on the team.

 

[RUskoolie]

Paul doesn't score, doesn't stretch the floor, average defender. Him being out was a net positive our last few games. Thats what me and other people see. If Paul actually shot the ball a lot less people would complain but you can't play 30 mpg and average 6 points and 3 turnovers. That's putrid.

 

[GM]

Look, Paul isn’t some star. He makes stupid mistakes. He shouldn’t be our PG. But people acting like he doesn’t do anything productive on the floor is insane. He’s a good passer, steady ball handler, can make open threes and is a good defender that knows our defense well. I’ve advocated for getting an actual PG or Guard so Paul doesn’t have to start. But he still can be a pretty useful player and we probably aren’t getting a better player in transfer portal. I agree with the idea of moving past the idea of him being our star. But if he wants to be back he absolutely gets a spot.

 

[RUChoppin]

Paul doesn't score, doesn't stretch the floor, average defender. Him being out was a net positive our last few games. Thats what me and other people see. If Paul actually shot the ball a lot less people would complain but you can't play 30 mpg and average 6 points and 3 turnovers. That's putrid.

Not sure how I missed him being "out" the last three games while starting all of them and averaging 35.3 min, 9.0 pts, 4 rb, 1.6 stl, 5.0 ast, and 1.6 tov

 

[MiloTalon13]

Both Paul and Simpson benefited from being on the court at the same time bc it takes pressure off for them each to make something happen each trip down the floor

Simpson's ability to get to the lane is huge. We just need him to step up his efficiency for next season

Agreed
The problem for next season is if Paul and Simpson are out there either Cam or Griffiths is sitting and the latter are better than the former. Maybe Griffiths or Cam can handle the ball enough next year to relieve some of that pressure

 

[Scangg]

Agreed
The problem for next season is if Paul and Simpson are out there either Cam or Griffiths is sitting and the latter are better than the former. Maybe Griffiths or Cam can handle the ball enough next year to relieve some of that pressure

Yea it'll be interesting to see what lineup combos Pike likes. I'd think he would want one of Cam or Griffiths on the court at all times to have a legit sniper floor stretcher. One of Paul or Simpson on the court at all times for ball handling.

 

[MiloTalon13]

Yea it'll be interesting to see what lineup combos Pike likes. I'd think he would want one of Cam or Griffiths on the court at all times to have a legit sniper floor stretcher. One of Paul or Simpson on the court at all times for ball handling.

Yeah the combos will be interesting
Hoping for xfer shooter with positional flexibility too
I’m assuming Hyatt leaves

 

[Pils86]

Paul doesn't score, doesn't stretch the floor, average defender. Him being out was a net positive our last few games. Thats what me and other people see. If Paul actually shot the ball a lot less people would complain but you can't play 30 mpg and average 6 points and 3 turnovers. That's putrid.

I previously corrected you or someone else showing this erroneous stat line. He averaged 8.3 PPG and 2.0 TO's and you fail to add in 4.9 assists, almost 50% more than the next best on the team. He should score more but your argument looks prejudicial when you quote erroneous stats.

 

[Shelby65]

I think Paul’s NBA foray is great for Pike. He can feel free to go out and get the best point guard he can find by essentially offering him significant minutes. If Paul comes back, Pike can tell him I am sorry but I filled your old role, but we can find minutes for you playing anywhere from 1 to 4.

Nah, Pike and Paul both already know show this will go. Plus, Paul isn’t a credible point guard on a high major team.Paul just wants the extra attention and critique; he’s not a pro, even if the NBA expands to 80 teams. Only question is whether Pike will start him or not.

 

[MADHAT1]

Nah, Pike and Paul both already know show this will go. Plus, Paul isn’t a credible point guard on a high major team.Paul just wants the extra attention and critique; he’s not a pro, even if the NBA expands to 80 teams. Only question is whether Pike will start him or not.

Paul is a good college PG with some flaws that will keep him from being drafted by the NBA or even considered possible NBA PG material.
The evaluation he's receiving from making himself draft eligible will help him decide whether one more college year will help is stock, what position would he fit in the pro game at and his chanced of making a good pro league outside of the NBA a ta position his talent is better suited as a pro , while addressing where coming back would help or just take a shot to get a tryout with a top Euro League team..
If he comes back , it might be at the SF position so he can work on his skills there preparing for a Euro League shot after the 2023-24 season is over.

 

[RUskoolie]

I previously corrected you or someone else showing this erroneous stat line. He averaged 8.3 PPG and 2.0 TO's and you fail to add in 4.9 assists, almost 50% more than the next best on the team. He should score more but your argument looks prejudicial when you quote erroneous stats.

Dork I am not quoting his exact stats. We are not good with the ball going through him. Go re-watch the PSU game.

The only reason we won that game is he got in foul trouble and then fouled out. The offense is clunky when he is running things and again he doesn't score.

Are you guys including his stats against sisters of the poor? Because against B1G competition he was not good and I like the kid. He never shoots and then throws it into Cliff's chest 4 feet away from him, while Cliff is doubled. Turnover.

 

[billgumpper]

Dork I am not quoting his exact stats. We are not good with the ball going through him. Go re-watch the PSU game.

The only reason we won that game is he got in foul trouble and then fouled out. The offense is clunky when he is running things and again he doesn't score.

Are you guys including his stats against sisters of the poor? Because against B1G competition he was not good and I like the kid. He never shoots and then throws it into Cliff's chest 4 feet away from him, while Cliff is doubled. Turnover.

They love to include the sister of the poor stats in any arguement.

 

[Shelby65]

Paul is a good college PG with some flaws that will keep him from being drafted by the NBA or even considered possible NBA PG material.
The evaluation he's receiving from making himself draft eligible will help him decide whether one more college year will help is stock, what position would he fit in the pro game at and his chanced of making a good pro league outside of the NBA a ta position his talent is better suited as a pro , while addressing where coming back would help or just take a shot to get a tryout with a top Euro League team..
If he comes back , it might be at the SF position so he can work on his skills there preparing for a Euro League shot after the 2023-24 season is over.

You’re missing the point. He doesn’t need a evaluation any more than I do. He’s played 4 years and been assessed plenty by now. He knows whether he has a shot at Sri Lankan League. Declaring is a “look at me” stunt. He can’t help it.

 

[Nycrusupporter]

I’m

Paul is a good college PG with some flaws that will keep him from being drafted by the NBA or even considered possible NBA PG material.
The evaluation he's receiving from making himself draft eligible will help him decide whether one more college year will help is stock, what position would he fit in the pro game at and his chanced of making a good pro league outside of the NBA a ta position his talent is better suited as a pro , while addressing where coming back would help or just take a shot to get a tryout with a top Euro League team..
If he comes back , it might be at the SF position so he can work on his skills there preparing for a Euro League shot after the 2023-24 season is over.

Ok, let me explain how this goes. Players on the cusp will be asked to participate in individual workouts where they will get some meaningful feedback. It Paul is lucky, he will get called in for some 3 on 3 workouts with several marginal prospects because they could use another body for the workout. These scouts have no involvement with the Euro leagues or any other overseas league, and will not provide any useful feedback other than saying in a very nice way that it is hard to see that you have any future in the NBA.

 

[MiloTalon13]

I’m

Ok, let me explain how this goes. Players on the cusp will be asked to participate in individual workouts where they will get some meaningful feedback. It Paul is lucky, he will get called in for some 3 on 3 workouts with several marginal prospects because they could use another body for the workout. These scouts have no involvement with the Euro leagues or any other overseas league, and will not provide any useful feedback other than saying in a very nice way that it is hard to see that you have any future in the NBA.

Thank you. Many seem to think Paul just needs to know what to work on. Like it’s a mystery and then he’ll transform into an NBA player

I like Paul’s game and appreciate what he’s done for Rutgers while keeping the rest in perspective

 

[MADHAT1]

You’re missing the point. He doesn’t need a evaluation any more than I do. He’s played 4 years and been assessed plenty by now. He knows whether he has a shot at Sri Lankan League. Declaring is a “look at me” stunt. He can’t help it.

you might think that, I don't.
Pro evaluations for what he needs to succeed in the pro game can be different to what's needed to improve my college play.
Especially if the position you played in college might not be the one that gives you the best chance to make a pro team.
He played 4 years doing what's best for the team, evaluation is finding out what's best for his professional basketball future or if he even has a chance for one.
He might know sir lanken will take him, but might want to find out what he needs to do to interest Spain.

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

you might think that, I don't.
Pro evaluations for what he needs to succeed in the pro game can be different to what's needed to improve my college play.
Especially if the position you played in college might not be the one that gives you the best chance to make a pro team.
He played 4 years doing what's best for the team, evaluation is finding out what's best for his professional basketball future or if he even has a chance for one.
He might know sir lanken will take him, but might want to find out what he needs to do to interest Spain.

Nah - NBA evaluator feedback won’t be helpful in terms of Europe pro future. The game is too different and anyway, each pro league overseas has different priorities. That doesn’t mean the process of going through an evaluation (aka try out environment) isn’t a good experience for him though. I disagree there with Shelby. Not for attention. If you can get some NBA work outs, why wouldn’t you declare. Heck - Jaden Jones even got a few work outs.

 

[MADHAT1]

I’m

Ok, let me explain how this goes. Players on the cusp will be asked to participate in individual workouts where they will get some meaningful feedback. It Paul is lucky, he will get called in for some 3 on 3 workouts with several marginal prospects because they could use another body for the workout. These scouts have no involvement with the Euro leagues or any other overseas league, and will not provide any useful feedback other than saying in a very nice way that it is hard to see that you have any future in the NBA.

I 'm under the impression after an college player fills out the application for the NCAA to allow feedback from the NBA, he can begin working with an NCAA-certified agent to advise him on what league he might have a chance at and the agent helps
finding obtaining individual workouts and invitations.
If the player returns to college that relationship ends.
If the player doesn't return to school , that agent signs the player to a contract and looks for NBA team that might give the player a quick look and also contact teams in other pro leagues to find a spot for the player .
I wouldn't be surprised to find out the Euro League and lesser ones had a stringer or two checking out players being evaluated and if they didn't go back to college and not NBA material, those non NBA connected leagues would offer the players they hought worth giving a shot to make the team.

 

[RUDivision]

I think Paul’s NBA foray is great for Pike. He can feel free to go out and get the best point guard he can find by essentially offering him significant minutes. If Paul comes back, Pike can tell him I am sorry but I filled your old role, but we can find minutes for you playing anywhere from 1 to 4.

Agreed but his role is filled! The starting point guard is DS. If he comes back it’s in another role or back up!

 

[RUDivision]

We went 1-1 and score 62 and 65 points
It was exciting because it was different and we had been so bad offensively
He wasn’t very good

10 days earlier played UM at home scored 45 and lost by 13z. Then we play them on the neutral site change 1 thing DS for Paul at point we score 62 and win by 12. Definitely not very good

 

[MusicFreaks]

I'm kind of tired of Paul's act - get mad and suck for games on end. When he decides to score, he is a solid player. Lets his negative emotions affect his play. Hoping DS is starting PG and Paul finds greener pastures somewhere. If he does come back, needs to reign in his act and focus more on scoring. He's a good pass-first PG, but needs to score more. Look what he did during that 4-6 game stretch 2 seasons ago.

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

Agreed but his role is filled! The starting point guard is DS. If he comes back it’s in another role or back up!

Nah - Geo, JY and Paul all played some point in 2020-21.

 

[brucelaw8]

I still don't get the "turn the reins over" sentiment. Simpson should have gotten more minutes - but not at significant expense to Mulcahy's minutes. In the final games where he finally saw starter-level minutes, he saw them come from Hyatt's bucket - not Mulcahy's.

I'd have liked to have seen Simpson on the floor more after Mag went down - taking 1-2 minutes each from Spencer/Mulcahy/McConnell and the rest from Hyatt. He offered a skillset that we didn't get from other players - but you don't just swap Mulcahy/Simpson's minutes.

I think Mulcahy's natural position is more of a point-forward at the 3. Putting Simpson at the 1 spot allows him to put dribble penetration pressure and draw the quicker defenders away from Mulcahy, allowing him to operate and drive the offense against wings instead.

My take.Turn the reins over = allow Derek to assume primary ball handling & point guard duties.Fine to play Paul off of the ball if you like.Use him as a spot up shooter(though Cam & Gavin much preferred) or to use his height to back down smaller guys.Back up Point guard to portal guy or frosh Davis(not Paul)
I will never understand why Paul is declaring when there is <0 chance of him being drafted or getting a G league contract.Why Paul can't make up his mind,& chooses to chill or effect portal pursuit until May.is mystifying.
I appreciate everything that Paul has contributed to RU,but this cannot persist.We don't know what is going on between to scenes, but Pike has to continue to hit the portal hard,& if it's is at Paul's expense,so be it.

 

[RUDivision]

I'm kind of tired of Paul's act - get mad and suck for games on end. When he decides to score, he is a solid player. Lets his negative emotions affect his play. Hoping DS is starting PG and Paul finds greener pastures somewhere. If he does come back, needs to reign in his act and focus more on scoring. He's a good pass-first PG, but needs to score more. Look what he did during that 4-6 game stretch 2 seasons ago.

Those 6-7 games were Paul’s finest moments

Nah - Geo, JY and Paul all played some point in 2020-21.

Fair ! Off the ball or back up I can see. With Mag healthy and hopefully Cliff back there is no room for him to start.

 

[MiloTalon13]

10 days earlier played UM at home scored 45 and lost by 13z. Then we play them on the neutral site change 1 thing DS for Paul at point we score 62 and win by 12. Definitely not very good

36 minutes 6-16 from the field 0-4 from 3
3 assists in 36 minutes
13 points on 16 shots
If he plays like that as our starting PG next year we won’t be good

Also Jett played in second game making them a better matchup for us

 

[RUDivision]

36 minutes 6-16 from the field 0-4 from 3
3 assists in 36 minutes
13 points on 16 shots
If he plays like that as our starting PG next year we won’t be good

Also Jett played in second game making them a better matchup for us

First start of his career and your right has to shoot better! At least he shot it! The offense did not screech to a halt while he dribbled out the clock, 10 days 27 point swing win on neutral site lost at home.

Oh you left off his 3 rd start.
Team 88 points he was 8-16 50% field 1-3 from 3 19 points 4 assists.

 

[Shelby65]

I’m

Ok, let me explain how this goes. Players on the cusp will be asked to participate in individual workouts where they will get some meaningful feedback. It Paul is lucky, he will get called in for some 3 on 3 workouts with several marginal prospects because they could use another body for the workout. These scouts have no involvement with the Euro leagues or any other overseas league, and will not provide any useful feedback other than saying in a very nice way that it is hard to see that you have any future in the NBA.

And my point is, everyone with eyes already knows that, including Paul, and half the blind too. He’s looking for attention. It’s what he does

Nah - NBA evaluator feedback won’t be helpful in terms of Europe pro future. The game is too different and anyway, each pro league overseas has different priorities. That doesn’t mean the process of going through an evaluation (aka try out environment) isn’t a good experience for him though. I disagree there with Shelby. Not for attention. If you can get some NBA work outs, why wouldn’t you declare. Heck - Jaden Jones even got a few work outs .

Jaden Jones is closer being an NBA talent than Paul, difficult as that may be for this crowd to believe.

 

[RUDivision]

And my point is, everyone with eyes already knows that, including Paul, and half the blind too. He’s looking for attention. It’s what he does


Jaden Jones is closer being an NBA talent than Paul, difficult as that may be for this crowd to believe.

Even more difficult DS flashed more as a freshman and is closer to an NBA talent.

 

[RUBlackout7]

36 minutes 6-16 from the field 0-4 from 3
3 assists in 36 minutes
13 points on 16 shots
If he plays like that as our starting PG next year we won’t be good

Also Jett played in second game making them a better matchup for us

And you think we’ll be good with PM as our starting PG? Want me to pull out some PM stats?

 

[RUDivision]

And you think we’ll be good with PM as our starting PG? Want me to pull out some PM stats?

It’s a family member trolling us! They all know.

 

[High Quality H2O]

It’s a family member trolling us! They all know.

Are you saying Milo is a family member of Paul’s trolling you on DS ability to take over as Starting PG?

That doesn’t add up based on some of his activity on here.

 

[RUDivision]

Are you saying Milo is a family member of Paul’s trolling you on DS ability to take over as Starting PG?

That doesn’t add up based on some of his activity on here.

Sarcasm based on the back and forth of this particular conversation. I don’t follow individuals activity sorry!