Paul Finebaum about football

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They can just buy their players and not have to scheme around the gaps like his system did.
This is exactly why we needed Leach you dumb mother 17er.

And also why hiring Lebby was so idiotic. It's like our fans don't want to admit this. So many just want to find a way to bridge the money gap, while is actually like setting money on fire.
 
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2016:

Stricklin leaves for Florida. Instead of having a serious search for an AD, we promote our baseball coach, even after the Clarion Ledger gets ran through the mud by State's media department saying that Cohen wasn't a candidate.

This is problematic, Mullen and Cohen already had a, lets say, a difficult relationship before he became Mullens boss. Mullen then finally bolts a year later after a successful year.

2017-2019

Cohen hires Moorhead (the current head coach of the worst team in the FBS and recently thrown under academic probation) after Mullen bolts. Hot boards at the time include names such as Napier, Sarkesian, Clawson, Pruitt, and Satterfield. His tenure includes Tutorgate (noticing a pattern with Moorhead?) and poorly coached players. He shows his *** at a press conference after the Egg Bowl, Cohen panics, we fire him a month later and are behind the 8 ball hiring a coach that cycle.

2020-2022

Leach era starts rough but shows promise toward the end. During this tenure NIL is given the free for all from the NCAA, our AD thinks we will get by signing baseball while other schools are going scorched earth jumping on board with established collectives. We essentially brought a pillow to a gun fight early on and are still behind the eight ball with it. Leach passes away and we do not have a AD in place. Football boosters push for the hiring of Arnett and it gets Keenums golden seal of approval. He is fired less than a year later.

2023-Now

Lebby, a first time head coach, is brought to do a multi year cleanup. With this comes also a first time Defensive coodinator who folks at Bama had never hardly heard of. The results of a multi year **** show come due the next year in 2024.

Yeah, we aren't a serious program.
Since you put it that way....
 

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You keep taking Ls…..
It's not as doom-and-gloom as he and others are making it out to be, but....

it's not as wine-and-roses as you're making it out to be either. We're in the wilderness right now and facing a lot of headwinds.
 

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This is exactly why we needed Leach you dumb mother 17er.

And also why hiring Lebby was so idiotic. It's like our fans don't want to admit this. So many just want to find a way to bridge the money gap, while is actually like setting money on fire.
Yes, we should have retained Leach.*****

Breathe less, you moron.
 

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It's not as doom-and-gloom as he and others are making it out to be, but....

it's not as wine-and-roses as you're making it out to be either. We're in the wilderness right now and facing a lot of headwinds.
Head winds we are more equipped to take on that ever before.
 
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There's always been a gap. In our best years, there was a gap between us and the top of the SEC. And we managed to win 7-10 games.

Surely, you can see the difference between winning 7-10 games and 2024. I don't think it's controversial to say that shrinking the gap will result in fielding a more competitive team. That doesn't mean there won't be a gap. But we don't have to completely eliminate the gap to be competitive.

What's up for debate is whether a different model shrinks the gap. I simply offered a theory. You're welcome to your own. But this idea that it is binary, either there is a gap or there isn't, doesn't make much sense to me.
Allow me to rephrase. The pre-NIL / portal gap was practically nonexistent compared to now. The NCAA restrictions and transfer sit-out period made it very problematic to start throwing around today’s dollar amounts. Yes, there was of course still some gap in offerings / inducements, but the much larger gap was in history, resources, city / town vibe and environment, and so on. And neither of those was still enough to just be able to poach elite players from other rosters without them having to sit, because it was prohibited.

Now, the gap is a chasm across the board on both fronts….with no guardrails. Revenue share isn’t really doing anything to change that. If MSU goes from $6 million to $15 million, and Texas goes from $22 million to $31 million, yes, the gap % is smaller….but what’s really going to change? MSU is still going to lose 100% of recruiting battles against Texas in all sports. The only way that additional money helps is that MSU is more appealing as a destination for G5 players when comparing against the Big 12 and lower tier ACC programs. But those aren’t the kinds of players that are going to get you to the CFP, or really get you anywhere past 6-6 at best.
 

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Just got to pay those 3 stars and Coach them up to 4 and 5 stars, also sign those 2 stars and coach them up to 3 and 4 stars. It's who we have always been, Mullen was the best in this department. We all know we ain't buying many 4 and 5 stars anyway. The right Coach can do this says JWS and DM!
 

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Just got to pay those 3 stars and Coach them up to 4 and 5 stars, also sign those 2 stars and coach them up to 3 and 4 stars. It's who we have always been, Mullen was the best in this department. We all know we ain't buying many 4 and 5 stars anyway. The right Coach can do this says JWS and DM!
Only problem is as soon as we coach up these guy to 4* status then someone will offer them a load of money and they’re gone. Now if something is done about this stupid system we have and the players can’t immediately transfer…..then it could work.
 

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And how is that specifically?
Our commitment both from an NIl standpoint a facility standpoint is more invested than we have ever been. We have multiple people donate millions and more to come and should be announced before football season. Those on here are saying we only have 6MM might be the most uninformed posters we have. We are not Texas I get that but let’s not act like we are some sunbelt school. The 21MM Rev share is coming add that with what we already have and we are up to and over the 30/35MM for athletes. Could be more…
 
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That’s cool if you wanna stick with it. I’ve used it in the past, but Brave will solve your problems with the issues you have if you so choose. No ads for me ever especially no pop up adds and also no bs ever with ad blocker detection either.
 

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You know some people like more than one sport and I apologize if you played right field in little league but get over it. We should strive for every team to perform well. You know for all the money om spent on football they didn’t play for all the marbles. They only managed to beat poor ole us by 10 and 12 pts last two years. If not for some bs roughing the qb call 2 years ago they probably wouldn’t have won that game. If we put all the money from all the sports together we probably wouldn’t win many recruiting battles in today’s world. Be less douchey downing a sport that does bring positive vibes to msu.
Vibes are about all it brings in.
 

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The money gap is nothing new. It's always been there. Players have always been payed. What's changed is the transfer portal and unlimited transfers.
 
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It’s like I don’t know maybe exactly what I have been saying we are totally commited to football..
 

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Only problem is as soon as we coach up these guy to 4* status then someone will offer them a load of money and they’re gone. Now if something is done about this stupid system we have and the players can’t immediately transfer…..then it could work.
True, but what the positive is the blue bloods want be able to keep a roster full of 4 and 5 stars with the amount of money they will be asking. Also the players who are on the team will be pissed or jealous of newcomers getting more money. We just have to learn how to take advantage of the situations, evaluation of players potential is the key for Msu. Again, Mullen proved it can be done!
 
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Until people realize the only way to combat and close the NIL/transfer gap is to commit to being out side the norm. Recruit to that commitment and create a culture and identity to that thing. Otherwise you’re just bringing a different water gun to the same gun fight.

 
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Our commitment both from an NIl standpoint a facility standpoint is more invested than we have ever been. We have multiple people donate millions and more to come and should be announced before football season. Those on here are saying we only have 6MM might be the most uninformed posters we have. We are not Texas I get that but let’s not act like we are some sunbelt school. The 21MM Rev share is coming add that with what we already have and we are up to and over the 30/35MM for athletes. Could be more…
Your first sentence is true only because it has to be. But for it to be meaningful, you have to compare it to the level of commitment compared to everyone else in the conference. This isn't an issue of us being committed. It's an issue of us being able to keep up with the Joneses. I'm not saying it's impossible, but to say we're better positioned than we've ever been is whistling past the graveyard. The reality is we're a lot closer to being irrelevant than we've ever been if big time programs and TV networks decide they want to do the superconference thing.

I admire your optimism but like I said before, we've got headwinds, and even if we have more resources today, the headwinds are stronger today.
 

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Your first sentence is true only because it has to be. But for it to be meaningful, you have to compare it to the level of commitment compared to everyone else in the conference. This isn't an issue of us being committed. It's an issue of us being able to keep up with the Joneses. I'm not saying it's impossible, but to say we're better positioned than we've ever been is whistling past the graveyard. The reality is we're a lot closer to being irrelevant than we've ever been if big time programs and TV networks decide they want to do the superconference thing.

I admire your optimism but like I said before, we've got headwinds, and even if we have more resources today, the headwinds are stronger today.
I think you are a little miss informed. We have stepped up to the plate in a lot of ways. We don’t have TX money that’s a fact however we continue to show that we have support and generosity from our alumni. I’m not whistling past the grave yard I’m saying we have made the commitment to be relevant. Don’t just take it from me take it from Charlie, he alludes to this on Out of left field today. He backs up everything I have said in this thread and others. We just have this side of the fan base that is in perpetual fear, negative, and a can’t do attitude. Thank goodness our leadership and our money folks don’t share this belief.
 

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I think you are a little miss informed. We have stepped up to the plate in a lot of ways. We don’t have TX money that’s a fact however we continue to show that we have support and generosity from our alumni. I’m not whistling past the grave yard I’m saying we have made the commitment to be relevant. Don’t just take it from me take it from Charlie, he alludes to this on Out of left field today. He backs up everything I have said in this thread and others. We just have this side of the fan base that is in perpetual fear, negative, and a can’t do attitude. Thank goodness our leadership and our money folks don’t share this belief.
I think you are a little miss informed. We have stepped up to the plate in a lot of ways. We don’t have TX money that’s a fact however we continue to show that we have support and generosity from our alumni. I’m not whistling past the grave yard I’m saying we have made the commitment to be relevant. Don’t just take it from me take it from Charlie, he alludes to this on Out of left field today. He backs up everything I have said in this thread and others. We just have this side of the fan base that is in perpetual fear, negative, and a can’t do attitude. Thank goodness our leadership and our money folks don’t share this belief
Sorry...grammar nerd here...it's "misinformed".
 

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I think you are a little miss informed. We have stepped up to the plate in a lot of ways. We don’t have TX money that’s a fact however we continue to show that we have support and generosity from our alumni. I’m not whistling past the grave yard I’m saying we have made the commitment to be relevant. Don’t just take it from me take it from Charlie, he alludes to this on Out of left field today. He backs up everything I have said in this thread and others. We just have this side of the fan base that is in perpetual fear, negative, and a can’t do attitude. Thank goodness our leadership and our money folks don’t share this belief.
Yes we have stepped up. If you're measuring us against us, yes, it's light years better.

Here's the thing though....so has everyone else. In fact, most others have stepped up more. The gap is still there. In a lot of ways it's even bigger.

I wouldn't call it a fanbase in perpetual fear. I'd call it a fanbase that's been invested for a lot of years and knows the score. At least some of us.

I didn't invent the rainy day here. For ANYONE who is connected, none of what I'm saying should be controversial. We have headwinds. We always will. We can't run from that reality, and it is an undeniable reality.