Pay us what you owe us.
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The NBA floats them.
I've read numerous threads on the importance and sanctity of women's sports on this website in recent years, so I'd expect we will see those same posters race to uphold the players' position on this topic. I myself am simply not well-versed on women's sports so I am thankful I can count of them to keep us all informed.
And I would expect you to come out of left field with a bogus analogy in an attempt to politicize this thread.
I know it's the same cliche statement that's been made for decades now, but the amount of money that athletes are paid at the pro level, and now through NIL, is ridiculous. Sorry, Mr Pouty Athlete, if you think you can't put food on the table if you don't get 8 figures in your contract.
And if you insist on these ludicrous salaries, then you should only get paid when you win.
And if you insist on these ludicrous salaries, then you should only get paid when you win.
I wish the WNBA all the success in the world but I never watched a game. My interest in women's basketball starts and stops with the Bulldogs.
Sure thing, now the real question is, who is it going to pay them more.
So far, they are losing $. Ok, the NBA is going to cough it up, I guess.
So far, they are losing $. Ok, the NBA is going to cough it up, I guess.
You can't politicize something that's already inherently political.
I was up late the other night and watched some European Soccer. Men are still playing women sports. *****
Simple solution. Tie their pay directly to ticket sales, merch and concessions.
Doesn't the wnba have a several billion dollar tv contract? I'm guessing the players might want to see about getting in on that
People supporting women's sports on here are primarily about high school and to some extent collegiate levels. Not professional sports. I know its confusing for you so I thought I might clarify it. Personally I'm thinking they are all overpaid, men and women. As well as owners, coaches, etc. TV contract is more like 200 mill a year. Billion ?? Lol. Wtf, nobody even watches that garbage
This is such a strange take to me. The job they do generates that ridiculous amount of money. So you are fine for the owners and coaches to get a lions share of that income? The guys actually doing the work don't deserve to get a fair share of that money?
Yes you can argue should the sport be earning that much money and does our society has a twisted sense of value of entertainment, but if they generate the money, they deserve to get paid. Someone is getting paid.
I believe women should absolutely have the opportunity to play sports, especially fair play against other women.
I also believe that if the product on the field/court/track is not good or interesting enough to make money on its own merit, the players shouldn't be demanding "more" money from some giant ATM machine in the sky. I can shoot from certain spots on my driveway like Steph Curry, but I still haven't convinced my neighbors to pay to watch me drain 3's. So I can either do something more interesting to get them to pay, or go do something else.
I hold those two beliefs in my head at the same time and I do not feel one tiny bit of cognitive dissonance, partially because I'm a cold hearted capitalist bastard, but mostly because those ideas don't conflict.
This is correct. It's not like these professional franchines are literally printing money....they are only figuartively printing money. The money is actually there - people pay for tickets, apparel, TV subscriptions, and all sorts of other things. The money has to go some place, so it gets split up between the franchises and the players based on the market, player collective bargaining, etc. Don't blame the athletes, blame the fans that willingly fork over the money.
My personal, ridiculous, sardonic take on Caitlin Clark wearing that dumb T-shirt:
Caitlin, you're groveling for the very same gaggle of jealous, racist, wig-wearing, cuntt licking biznatches that bodyslam you to the hardwood evey night. Stop it.
You should burn that shirt and wear one that says
"Pay ME what I'm owed, and I'll cut the rest in, if they ask nicely"
Caitlin, you're groveling for the very same gaggle of jealous, racist, wig-wearing, cuntt licking biznatches that bodyslam you to the hardwood evey night. Stop it.
You should burn that shirt and wear one that says
"Pay ME what I'm owed, and I'll cut the rest in, if they ask nicely"
WNBA Expected to Lose $50 Million Despite Popularity: Report
The WNBA's next television contract, negotiated in tandem with the NBA's next deal, is expected to provide financial windfall to a league long in the red.
www.newsweek.com
I think it's $40 mill this year.
Quick google search shows the new WNBA TV contract for 11 years is 2.2 billion. That is a large bump from 60 million to 200 million per season. So yes the girls deserve to get significant raises.
However the NBA TV contract over the same 11 years is over 76 billion. They don't deserve NBA money like they think they do. That doesn't take into account the other income streams which I am sure is much more in the NBA.
So long as they keep out trans folks they can do whatever else they feel like? Is that a fair summation?
Here are the numbers... the WNBA has been playing for 30 years and has NEVER returned a profit for the NBA owners who subsidize it. Last season, even with Caitlin Clark pulling in more fans, the WNBA still lost $50 million. So far the league has been lucky that Clark has put up with more abuse than any other player. So if they want to be payed what they are worth then each player would owe the league around $300k.
Are players asking for nba level money, or a bump to reflect the new income for the league coffers? I legit don't know - in fact everything I know about this negotiationis literally from this thread.
What I'm hearing you say is that you agree with everything else I said, if I had just left out that darn last phrase in the first sentence.
I'm glad we agree
I think when you look at it from a league standpoint, the players do get a fair shake (I’m speaking NFL, NBA and MLB) I think all are around 50% of revenue. But I get your point and there are several on this board that were/are just fine with college football being a billion dollar industry and the players getting none of that cash.
As for the WNBA, I understand why the girls are trying to push for more money but they gotta know it ain’t gonna happen.
I don't think they can make an argument with an actual dollar figure, because that doesn't really exist.
That's why their phrases are more nebulous... "pay what you owe", "pay us what we're worth", "give us more".
Sorry can't stipulate to this - I have no idea if you're a bastard or not. /sWhat I'm hearing you say is that you agree with everything else I said, if I had just left out that darn last phrase in the first sentence.
I'm glad we agree
You serious Clark? Two different issues completely. If men pretending to be girls were trying to play in the WNBA, (although I wish they would to prove a point) I would feel the same way as I do on every other athletic level. But from a Pro standpoint, it is hard for me to have empathy for their demands when the WNBA (supposedly) has never made a dime and is floated by the NBA.
I could be wrong, but I believe the best female college players opt in over other lines of work, so it can’t be too horrible to play the game for what they are getting paid.
Again “if” after all these years all the franchises are losing money, is the NBA supposed to pony up more? if not, where (and why) does the money come from.
Thank you for confirming that I can bomb 3's like Steph. I'm like 165-0-2 against my son in Around the World.
I just see sports as an entertainment business. If the NBA wants to spend funds to subsidize a business that cannot pay for itself, then they certainly have that right. I don't perceive any inherent right/wrong in the argument.
Pretty big difference in supporting State's women's athletics and supporting professional women athletes when they demand more money for a product that generates a negative sum. They are free to ask for more but they aren't owed a damn thing.
If it weren't for my belief that you are sincere in your workout claims, I'd invite you to a fight at South Farm. As it stands, I'll offer a foot race.
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I'd like to see this group go Strike, ....then see what happens.
Ha.
Ha.
The WNBA players are asking for more of a share of the money from the media rights and tv contracts. They don’t have the structure the NBA has as far as a share of the media revenue. Each year the NBA salary cap goes up based off the tv contract. The WNBA doesn’t have that structure. They aren’t asking to be paid as much as NBA players.
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