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ckDOG

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I don't think they can make an argument with an actual dollar figure, because that doesn't really exist.

That's why their phrases are more nebulous... "pay what you owe", "pay us what we're worth", "give us more".
Best of luck to them then. My assumption would be that if they aren't presenting any facts then the facts probably don't support the slogan. If they are getting hosed, I hope they get a better deal but if they want public sentiment to help them they need something more than t-shirts.
 

horshack.sixpack

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This is such a strange take to me. The job they do generates that ridiculous amount of money. So you are fine for the owners and coaches to get a lions share of that income? The guys actually doing the work don't deserve to get a fair share of that money?

Yes you can argue should the sport be earning that much money and does our society has a twisted sense of value of entertainment, but if they generate the money, they deserve to get paid. Someone is getting paid.
In general, business owners at some point took on substantial risks, in a way that most/all employees never did or will. Should them deciding how they allocate that wealth to support the success of their franchise be subject to the free market or dictated by some outside force? Why is someone playing a sport for a living supposed to provide them any implied rights greater that someone working at Amazon, for example? Seriously trying to understand the line of thinking.
 

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Jesse Kelly said it best, and I am paraphrasing

Sports drive passion because when we watch them, we see things that we can aspire to. If you watch a typical WNBA game, its bad basketball - on the level of 40-somethings playing in a men's YMCA league. As bad as basketball is, women's professional football is worse - that's why they have to put them in lingerie to get anyone to watch.

The sports where women drive viewership are sports where their grace works in their favor - think figure skating and gymnastics. The WNBA lost $50 million last year and has never turned a profit in their nearly 30 years of existence. If they did not have the NBA subsidy, they would have gone out of business long ago.
 

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In general, business owners at some point took on substantial risks, in a way that most/all employees never did or will. Should them deciding how they allocate that wealth to support the success of their franchise be subject to the free market or dictated by some outside force? Why is someone playing a sport for a living supposed to provide them any implied rights greater that someone working at Amazon, for example? Seriously trying to understand the line of thinking.
Again a quick google search. Amazon has 1.56 million employees. The NFL has 1,696 players. Slices are just bigger in pro sports.

I don't want to get into unions and robber barons but pro sports does have unions and the owners and players unions make agreements on profits and the sharing of those profits. Once both sides agree on those issues, it is what it is. I just don't get why people complain about the one side more than the other even though they have an agreement.

The problem in college has been that only one side makes the rules. There is no means to have both sides agree on issues.
 

horshack.sixpack

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Again a quick google search. Amazon has 1.56 million employees. The NFL has 1,696 players. Slices are just bigger in pro sports.

I don't want to get into unions and robber barons but pro sports does have unions and the owners and players unions make agreements on profits and the sharing of those profits. Once both sides agree on those issues, it is what it is. I just don't get why people complain about the one side more than the other even though they have an agreement.

The problem in college has been that only one side makes the rules. There is no means to have both sides agree on issues.
Thanks for the sincere response. I struggle with coming up with a "right" answer on issues like this. On the one hand, I don't want anyone telling me what to do with money that I've earned, and generally believe in free markets while recognizing that trickle down is BS. Even between sports I can consider the idea that football is very physically demanding/damaging while also holding onto the idea that they are free to choose their profession.

The average base salary for WNBA players is approximately $119,590 according to the interwebs. I wonder if we assessed the degree and earning potential of every player would we find that they are making a huge sacrifice by choosing to work in the league vs entering the regular corporate work force? Even in this economy, you can certainly live on six figures.
 

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This is such a strange take to me. The job they do generates that ridiculous amount of money. So you are fine for the owners and coaches to get a lions share of that income? The guys actually doing the work don't deserve to get a fair share of that money?

Yes you can argue should the sport be earning that much money and does our society has a twisted sense of value of entertainment, but if they generate the money, they deserve to get paid. Someone is getting paid.
Yes. The guys/girls doing the work deserve to get ALL of the money in this industry and all others.
 

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This is going to be interesting because I’m sure that the only economics that the WNBAPA is choosing to care about right now is their newly signed TV deal. That said, I’ve yet to see any projection stating that the league will suddenly become profitable following this. Additionally, these women don’t have the leverage of threatening to play internationally because those leagues don’t exist.

If I had to guess, they’ll get a decent bump thanks to the new media deal that starts next season, but if any of them are thinking that the average WNBA salary is suddenly going to be 7 figures, they’re gonna be disappointed.

The product, as a whole, is just not entertaining to the majority of sports fans, and they better be careful to distinguish between Caitlin Clark hype and genuine interest in the league. She, and she alone, is moving the needle right now
 
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This is going to be interesting because I’m sure that the only economics that the WNBAPA is choosing to care about right now is their newly signed TV deal. That said, I’ve yet to see any projection stating that the league will suddenly become profitable following this. Additionally, these women don’t have the leverage of threatening to play internationally because those leagues don’t exist.

If I had to guess, they’ll get a decent bump thanks to the new media deal that starts next season, but if any of them are thinking that the average WNBA salary is suddenly going to be 7 figures, they’re gonna be disappointed.

The product, as a whole, is just not entertaining to the majority of sports fans, and they better be careful to distinguish between Caitlin Clark hype and genuine interest in the league. She, and she alone, is moving the needle right now
My guess is they'll wind up roughly doubling the $60,000 minimum and $147,000 average salaries. Which isn't bad money. I also predict the networks paying these fees are going to lose their a** on the deal.
 

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How isn't it? They are asking for a salary not based on the market value of their services, but instead on what they perceive to be just and deserved.

They may be right, but it's a political question, not a business one.
But they are not asking tax payers for the money, they are asking a private industry for more money . Your assertion is silly.
 
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But they are not asking tax payers for the money, they are asking a private industry for more money . Your assertion is silly.
I guess you are using a different definition of "political" than I am. Businesses make political decisions all the time that have nothing to do with taxpayer money. It's not a bad thing.
 
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In general, business owners at some point took on substantial risks, in a way that most/all employees never did or will. Should them deciding how they allocate that wealth to support the success of their franchise be subject to the free market or dictated by some outside force? Why is someone playing a sport for a living supposed to provide them any implied rights greater that someone working at Amazon, for example? Seriously trying to understand the line of thinking.
You feeling Ok, bro?
 
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Have they tried selling more tickets? Maybe they can play up the mean girl/lesbian vs. straight angle. Come watch us repeatedly foul our cash cow, the one we aren't high on for the all-star game, whenever Caitlin plays. That might help.
 

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Have they tried selling more tickets? Maybe they can play up the mean girl/lesbian vs. straight angle. Come watch us repeatedly foul our cash cow, the one we aren't high on for the all-star game, whenever Caitlin plays. That might help.
I think they have done quite a bit of that. Sounds like the league needs to help them get more side endorsements,
Some are doing quite well, I'm sure some others are crapping out.
 

QuaoarsKing

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You are aware we have to have at least 16 sports to be in D1 .
Yes - exactly my point.

Why is that a requirement? Why don't all the D1 schools come together and say that from now on it's just football and men's basketball? It would be a smart financial decision, but they don't because it would be terrible politics.

Why doesn't the SEC stop sponsoring baseball, where all 16 teams lose money? Because more people would be upset over losing baseball than happy to save money. Politics.
 

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People supporting women's sports on here are primarily about high school and to some extent collegiate levels. Not professional sports. I know its confusing for you so I thought I might clarify it. Personally I'm thinking they are all overpaid, men and women. As well as owners, coaches, etc. TV contract is more like 200 mill a year. Billion ?? Lol. Wtf, nobody even watches that garbage
What happened to the downvote?
 

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I think they have done quite a bit of that. Sounds like the league needs to help them get more side endorsements,
Some are doing quite well, I'm sure some others are crapping out.
I don't watch much NBA although I respect the incredible talent required to play in that league. I prefer watching State play and I have other sports I prefer (football, baseball, soccer--that's enough). The WNBA, a league that has talented women still has an athletecism deficiency compared to the NBA. I'd have to really have a team I'm emotionally invested in to support the WNBA and I don't. It's not as good as men's college basketball and I already have a team to follow. I'll watch the our gals play because I'm a State fan before I watch WNBA. I do have some interest in watching Caitlin vs the haters but not enough. Plus these women seem to think they're worth more than their actual value based on current interest in the WNBA.
 
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This is such a strange take to me. The job they do generates that ridiculous amount of money. So you are fine for the owners and coaches to get a lions share of that income? The guys actually doing the work don't deserve to get a fair share of that money?

Yes you can argue should the sport be earning that much money and does our society has a twisted sense of value of entertainment, but if they generate the money, they deserve to get paid. Someone is getting paid.
There is certainly some part of their compensation that is arguably a result of values being out of whack, but mainly it's just that their product is very scalable and for products like that, the top .001% of talent can capture an outsized share of the value.

People don't get paid what they deserve, they get paid what they can and do demand. Not ideal but much, much better than any realistic alternative.
 

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Yes - exactly my point.

Why is that a requirement? Why don't all the D1 schools come together and say that from now on it's just football and men's basketball? It would be a smart financial decision, but they don't because it would be terrible politics.

Why doesn't the SEC stop sponsoring baseball, where all 16 teams lose money? Because more people would be upset over losing baseball than happy to save money. Politics.
College sports are different or at least they were until recently. I suppose one could argue that the public should now subsidize some pro-sports that lose money but I'm not sure that would fly.
 

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and I've always wondered why?
Partly for reputation (although that has worked out terribly as their reward for losing money for decades has been to be villified for not losing more money), partly out of the belief by some that 50% of the population is women, and while it is a risky endeavor, there is a big untapped pool of money if they can get them interested in women's sport at even a fraction of the level of interest by men in men's sports.
 

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I don't watch much NBA although I respect the incredible talent required to play in that league. I prefer watching State play and I have other sports I prefer (football, baseball, soccer--that's enough). The WNBA, a league that has talented women still has an athletecism deficiency compared to the NBA. I'd have to really have a team I'm emotionally invested in to support the WNBA and I don't. It's not as good as men's college basketball and I already have a team to follow. I'll watch the our gals play because I'm a State fan before I watch WNBA. I do have some interest in watching Caitlin vs the haters but not enough. Plus these women seem to think they're worth more than their actual value based on current interest in the WNBA.
Yeah, that is roughly it.

As far as the WNBA, it comes back to one unanswered question??? Who is going to write the check? (that they want)
 
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Even after the new media deal, that would seem to boost them out of the red, but only a yearly revenue of $100 million or $85 million without the NBA money. That is not a lot of revenue for a professional league. The NBA generates over $11 billion a year.

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I've read numerous threads on the importance and sanctity of women's sports on this website in recent years, so I'd expect we will see those same posters race to uphold the players' position on this topic. I myself am simply not well-versed on women's sports so I am thankful I can count of them to keep us all informed.
Hahahaha are you equating letting chicks with dicks play sports to wnba players already being over paid?

GD yall are some dumb @$$ mother 17ers
 
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paindonthurt

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And I would expect you to come out of left field with a bogus analogy in an attempt to politicize this thread.
Same 3 or 4 every time but paindonthurt gets the boot!!

I’d post about politics 82.17% less on this site if those 17ing retards would quit retarding.
 

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I know it's the same cliche statement that's been made for decades now, but the amount of money that athletes are paid at the pro level, and now through NIL, is ridiculous. Sorry, Mr Pouty Athlete, if you think you can't put food on the table if you don't get 8 figures in your contract.

And if you insist on these ludicrous salaries, then you should only get paid when you win.
Or when you generate money
 

paindonthurt

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Doesn't the wnba have a several billion dollar tv contract? I'm guessing the players might want to see about getting in on that
It’s over 11 years and doesn’t fully start until 2026.

also don’t expect you to be able to do basic math either and break that yearly amount to each team and factor in expenses and such.
 
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