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markymark.sixpack

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you always have excuses for everything, except if a stansbury coached team loses.

somebody else loses - excuse
stansbury wins - excuse
somebody gets fired - excuse
you're proven wrong (Dixon) - excuse

you're pathetic. sometimes you actually make decent points or aruments, but your inability and/or unwillingness to be open minded or admit when you're wrong keeps you from having any credibility.</p>
 
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markymark.sixpack

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OMlawdog said:
Here are the coaches you named:

Donovan - You fail to take into account the fact that he took over the FL job which their facilities are second to none and his two national titles are on the back of 4 NBA players. He is a good coach, that benefits greatly from a great school and recruiting. That being said, the last two years he has been exposed as a coach that needs elite talent to win. This year is showing the same again.

Tubby Smith - Wait, are you talking about the UK hire or the Minn hire? UK wanted him fired because he didn't have enough tourney success and wanted to make the next step and fired him to get.......Billy Gillepsie. Now at Minnesota he has one tourney bid and one loss, but he is a solid coach that shouldn't have been fired at UK in the first place, but some out of control almuni made a rash decision, sound familiar?

Kennedy - I thought you said all of these guys had success in the NCAA? I thought I followed Ole Miss sports fairly close, and I really cant remember the trips to the NCAA tourney the last few years.

Gottfried - In 11 years, he went to the NCAA tourney 5 times. Got past the 2nd round once and never won the SEC conference.

Brady - In 11 years he made the tourney 4 times, and rode the back of Tyrus Thomas and Glen Davis to one Final Four. He also finished last in the SEC West 5 times. FIVE TIMES. LAST IN THE WEST. Let me remind you, Rod Barnes was coaching at Ole Miss during this same time span.

Kruger - Im a little confused by Kruger, he left Illinois that he never led them past the 2nd round of the NCAA tourney for the Atlanta Hawks, was a failure there, and went to UNLV where he has 2 NCAA bids in five years. Is that a good thing?

Jerry Green - I really didn't remember him, but in his 9 years of coaching he has one sweet sixteen and did a solid job for UT for four years then resigned.

Stallings - My favorite person on the list. How many times has he made the tourney at Vandy? 6? 7? That was my guess, I was wrong, THREE Times. Three. T-H-R-E-E. In TEN years he has made it to the tourney 3 times. I guess its not fair comparing Stallings to Stans though, since they play in different conferences... oh wait.

So these are the best case scenarios if you fire Stans. Sweet.

Im with coach on this one, lets go Ninja.
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douche34 just lost this argument. Game over.
 
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you are losing the argument because DS says that there is a 50/50 chance of making the tournament with a new coach. you then go on to say that you are pointing out successful coaches in the tournament. for me that doesn't work. you can only do well there if you have the opportunity. stans gets us there consistently. eventually he will win there. i know you disagree

i agree with you on some of your points, and you know that, but on the idea that hiring a new coach will give us a better chance of doing well in the tournament isn't one of them. plus the risk of not going at all is pretty damn high. i'd rather stans shake up the assistant coaches on his staff than go for someone totally new.
 
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Donovan- Fla- Hired from Marshall University. Owns a 128-80 SEC record, 2 NCAA's titles, a Runner- up, and a Sweet 16- Job hire? Success

Tubby Smith- Georgia- hired from Tulsa...went 45-19 and made a Sweet 16 in his 2 years at Georgia- Job hire? Success

Andy Kennedy- Mississippi- hired when didnt get Cincy job- currently averaging 20 wins a season for perennial SEC doormat- Job hire? Success (so far, but needs to get in the NCAA's in 2010)</p>

Mark Gottfried- Bammer- hired from Murray State- made tourney 5 times in 10 1/2 seasons (was 12-7 when fired) 83-82 conf record...Elite 8...2 West titles- Job hire? while not great, was fairly successful</p>

John Brady- LSU- hired from Samford- made 4 NCAA's, 2 SEC titles, Sweet 16 (2000), Final Four (2006), losing SEC record- Job hire? not great...while had a few great seasons, lacked consistentcy

Jerry Green- Tenn- hired from Oregon- 41-23 SEC record...2 East titles...Sweet 16...job hire? success

Lon Kruger- Fla- from K-State...winning SEC record...NCAA Final Four..winning conf record job hire? solid, not great

Kevin Stallings- Vandy- from Ill State- hardest place to recruit to in SEC while playing in the tougher side of the conference, 4 NIT's, 3 NCAA's, 2 Sweet 16's...job hire? not great, but cant say he is doing a bad job at Vandy

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OMlawdog

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Is one of the 8 coaches below, then really only Donovan or Tubby are the two coaches that you could say would be a marked improvement over Stans. The other six would be a downgrade or at best the same. If Stans makes the tourney this year that will be 7 tourney bids in 12 years.

The numbers just don't support the idea that firing Stans for a Kennedy/Gottfried/Brady/Stallings/Kruger actually improves MSU. In fact the numbers show that you would be going to the tourney less under these 5 coaches.

In fact, the five coaches above over the last 15 years have 53 seasons of coaching and a grand total of 22 tourney appearances. Essentially 2 tourney bids every 5 years.

By the way, two of these coaches are available if you did want to fire Stans.</p>
 
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Dawgbreeze

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It takes a big man to admit when they are wrong. I realize that you won't ever do that because your obsession will not allow it. Dr. Phil is available if you need him or I'm sure there are other professionals in your area who may have some meds.</p>
 
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Wow C34! OMLawdog just opened a can of internet whupass on you and the best you can counter with is that Jerry Green won the East twice and went to one Sweet 16 or that Kennedy has averaged 20 wins?
In all seriousness, could you handle finishing dead *** last in the SEC West 5 freaking times in 12 years in exchange for one decent year in the NCAA tournament? Donovan is the only guy on your list I would even give a job interview to replace Stansbury with. Care to fill us in on what all those guys are doing today?
 
dawgstudent

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will not work for Coach because he will say those programs have higher expectations than we do and hold their coaches to it.

Care to fill us in on what all those guys are doing today?
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Stansbury is a bad coach despite winning consistently. Pelphrey is not a bad coach despite losing horribly in what most agree is a weak conference and division. This should be enough right here to render your opinion on MSU basketball null and void. Anyone that values your opinion on MSU hoops is an idiot.

Most people in this world judge coaches by something called a win/loss record. You see, that is an objective measure of coaching ability. Croom wasn't a bad coach due to some off the field issue, he was a bad coach because he couldn't win. Roy Williams and Coach K aren't great because of off the court nonsense, they are great because they consistently win. What makes Stansbury a good coach is what makes Pelphrey a bad coach - one wins and the other loses, no matter what is going on with their respective programs.
 
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whatever.sixpack

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OMlawdog said:
Is one of the 8 coaches below, then really only Donovan or Tubby are the two coaches that you could say would be a marked improvement over Stans. The other six would be a downgrade or at best the same. If Stans makes the tourney this year that will be 7 tourney bids in 12 years.

The numbers just don't support the idea that firing Stans for a Kennedy/Gottfried/Brady/Stallings/Kruger actually improves MSU. In fact the numbers show that you would be going to the tourney less under these 5 coaches.

In fact, the five coaches above over the last 15 years have 53 seasons of coaching and a grand total of 22 tourney appearances. Essentially 2 tourney bids every 5 years.

By the way, two of these coaches are available if you did want to fire Stans.</p>
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Wow, coach just gets his *** kicked worse every day. The whole point of this was to point out numerous hires that were flops, and then when you post a list of coaches that we're supposed to consider good hires that would theoretically be worth firing Stans for, you post 6 coaches that could be considered worse than the one we already have.

But hey, you know a lot about sports. Miles is still a better coach than Saban, Dixon is average, Pelprhey better than Stans, should we add to the list?
 
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Todd4State

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Arkansas is a school that should be better then MSU in basketball. They used to compete for National Championships, and they have awesome facilities and used to have great fan support.

Now, it's in shambles, and probably beyond repair in large part because of Pelphrey.
 
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