Perspective from the other side...

[RollPuddle]

A few things first....

1. most importantly, I come in peace...
2. my condolences to your program for the loss of Nick Bell. I have followed tidbits of the story and its very sad. I wish for your sake and the sake of college football, that story was still the focus. It deserves to be.
3. I made the road trip to the Auburn/MSU game. I had never been to Starkville and without a doubt it was one of the best road trips I have been on. Everything (other than getting a few bird fingers and FU's from random drunk college folk) was nice and pleasant. Well... maybe not the cowbell, but you see what I'm sayin...

Now... WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON??? This mess is bad for Auburn AND Mississippi State. I think Auburn comes out of this cleaner (relatively speaking) just due to some foreshadowing. The Slive release yesterday and the fact that Finebaum has been on Auburn's side through all of this speaks leaps and bounds to me. I've been reading some of the thoughts and opinions from your school. Do you guys think Rogers is dirty? Regardless of whether or not Cecil worked with him to get money, Rogers comes across as a lying scum bucket to everybody, not just Auburn fans. Why do you think the FBI is here? The rumor mill has of course said it was due to extortion? Who's being extorted?? Is the Newton family being extorted for not going to MSU? I honestly don't know. I don't think if Rogers was working with Cecil to get money from an MSU booster it would be labeled as extortion....? I dunno.

Either way. I hate this for both schools. I've had the utmost respect for Dan Mullen and truly believe he didn't want this out in the open. Its bad news for everybody.

 

[RollPuddle]

A few things first....

1. most importantly, I come in peace...
2. my condolences to your program for the loss of Nick Bell. I have followed tidbits of the story and its very sad. I wish for your sake and the sake of college football, that story was still the focus. It deserves to be.
3. I made the road trip to the Auburn/MSU game. I had never been to Starkville and without a doubt it was one of the best road trips I have been on. Everything (other than getting a few bird fingers and FU's from random drunk college folk) was nice and pleasant. Well... maybe not the cowbell, but you see what I'm sayin...

Now... WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON??? This mess is bad for Auburn AND Mississippi State. I think Auburn comes out of this cleaner (relatively speaking) just due to some foreshadowing. The Slive release yesterday and the fact that Finebaum has been on Auburn's side through all of this speaks leaps and bounds to me. I've been reading some of the thoughts and opinions from your school. Do you guys think Rogers is dirty? Regardless of whether or not Cecil worked with him to get money, Rogers comes across as a lying scum bucket to everybody, not just Auburn fans. Why do you think the FBI is here? The rumor mill has of course said it was due to extortion? Who's being extorted?? Is the Newton family being extorted for not going to MSU? I honestly don't know. I don't think if Rogers was working with Cecil to get money from an MSU booster it would be labeled as extortion....? I dunno.

Either way. I hate this for both schools. I've had the utmost respect for Dan Mullen and truly believe he didn't want this out in the open. Its bad news for everybody.

 

[RollPuddle]

A few things first....

1. most importantly, I come in peace...
2. my condolences to your program for the loss of Nick Bell. I have followed tidbits of the story and its very sad. I wish for your sake and the sake of college football, that story was still the focus. It deserves to be.
3. I made the road trip to the Auburn/MSU game. I had never been to Starkville and without a doubt it was one of the best road trips I have been on. Everything (other than getting a few bird fingers and FU's from random drunk college folk) was nice and pleasant. Well... maybe not the cowbell, but you see what I'm sayin...

Now... WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON??? This mess is bad for Auburn AND Mississippi State. I think Auburn comes out of this cleaner (relatively speaking) just due to some foreshadowing. The Slive release yesterday and the fact that Finebaum has been on Auburn's side through all of this speaks leaps and bounds to me. I've been reading some of the thoughts and opinions from your school. Do you guys think Rogers is dirty? Regardless of whether or not Cecil worked with him to get money, Rogers comes across as a lying scum bucket to everybody, not just Auburn fans. Why do you think the FBI is here? The rumor mill has of course said it was due to extortion? Who's being extorted?? Is the Newton family being extorted for not going to MSU? I honestly don't know. I don't think if Rogers was working with Cecil to get money from an MSU booster it would be labeled as extortion....? I dunno.

Either way. I hate this for both schools. I've had the utmost respect for Dan Mullen and truly believe he didn't want this out in the open. Its bad news for everybody.

 

[weblow]

where you based your opinion off of Slive and Finebaum. That right there is enough to certify you a top notch nut rash. Have a good day.

 

[ScoobaDawg]

We are clean... We turned the sons of bitches into the SEC, Slive said nothing to see here.. we took it to the NCAA with more info and said <17> you Slive..and the NCAA was very interested as well as the FBI.

 

[slickdawg]

Auburn comes out cleaner?

Cam's father asked for money to play. State said no. State turned it in. End of story. What did State do so bad where it doesn't come out cleaner?

Auburn has a player that has a precedent established of asking for money to play. That's between the NCAA and Auburn.

The NCAA is asking State about a player that asked for money to play, the NCAA is looking at that player who is playing at Auburn. Who is cleaner?

State turned down the hooker, Auburn drilled the hooker and the body is on the plains.

 

[DirtyLopez]

i'm not even going to respond.</p>

 

[EAVdog]

Ok, here goes. And I've never had a problem with Auburn folks.<div>
</div><div>1. You listen to Finebaum.</div><div>
</div><div>2. Why is Rogers a liar for changing his story but Cecil is not?</div><div>
</div><div>3. It's obvious Slive doesn't want any team to get probation. He's stated that many many times.</div><div>
</div><div>4. The NCAA doesn't care what the conference, Paul Finebaum, or any fans believe. They will get to the bottom of this.</div><div>
</div><div>5. Cecil admitted he tried to shake us down for cash. That actually does meet the definintion of extortion. To believe he didn't try to get some cahs from Auburn is a feat of extreme cognitive dissonance.</div>

 

[msubullie4life]

you are a 17tard for basing your opinion on how Auburn will come out cleaner than State...Slive andFinebaum??? Seriously?? come the 17 on!

 

[RonnyAtmosphere]

This mess is bad for Auburn AND Mississippi State.

It might be bad for MSU in that Slive seems like the type of prick who will throw whistleblowers under the bus. But Miss. State will take its slap on the wrist in stride.

But if you are an Auburn fan, I wouldn't be worrying about Miss. State right now.

I would be worried about just how bad this ensuing probation is going to be for Auburn.

Because it's going to be really, really bad.

 

[RollPuddle]

I think Cecil is dirty too, for the record. Do you guys think Rogers is clean??? Seriously?

No need for folks to hate. As I said, I came here in peace for discussion. I've heard our spin on all this. Came here for the other side of the story. Sheesh.

As far as Fbomb, as an Auburn fan, I in general hate this guy. I've listened to his program more this week than I have the rest of my life combined. I find it very odd the stance he has taken to be objective for Auburn. He normally takes any opportunity to step on Auburn's neck.

 

[gptdawg]

Don't forgot everything that's been said so far has proven out. Remember "The cash was too much". Will it ever really be proven? Who knows. As an MSU alumni I am pissed about how we've been treated/portayed in this whole mess. Our integrity has been trashed. Our people have been trashed by this so called home grown media you put so much faith in.We knew what went down way back in December. You people are delusional.

 

[mstatefan88]

They have a right to be upset. But the fact that Kenny Rogers and John Bond waffled a little bit means they are all liars, but Cecil Newton did the same thing because he was trying to save his son and Auburn and he isn't labeled a liar? Total garbage. Now that the NCAA and FBI are openly involved, the true stories are coming out because lying during an investigation will get you in huge trouble. Auburn fans need to look at this objectively and think, "Damn, this sure is a lot of coincidence to not have some truth to it."

Think about it this way. If this is some huge conspiracy theory as Auburn fans believe, Kenny Rogers, Bill Bell, MSU, the MSU athletic department, MSU coaches, the NCAA, the SEC, multiple media sources from different states, ESPN,possibly Cecil Newton if his reports are true, and the FBI due to their current involvementare all in on this massive conspiracy theory. You kidding me? Wake up Auburn fans.

 

[Slumdawg]

I think Auburn comes out of this cleaner (relatively speaking) just due to some foreshadowing. The Slive release yesterday and the fact that Finebaum has been on Auburn's side through all of this speaks leaps and bounds to me.

shirley you jest

 

[TUSK.sixpack]

do you have any concern that Cam has possibly been ineligible since 11/09?

if not, what are the Auburn people saying about their conversations with both the NCAA and SEC regarding Cam?

 

[msubullie4life]

Rogers was clean. I may have missed it during my quick glance. Also,no one has defended him on this board since this saga started.

 

[RonnyAtmosphere]

..I have no idea what other posters are going to tell you, but I'm telling you Auburn is about to go on a DEFCON 5 level probabtion.

 

[Hugo Sanchez.sixpack]

Do you not think it possible that he is catering to the majority of his customer base with his views? He may fellate the tide on a regular basis but his show is based in Alabama.

 

[RollPuddle]

Who originally reported this to the NCAA?? Slive's statement last night said the SEC didn't take it to the NCAA. Did one of MSU's statements claim to do so? I have been under the impression that MSU only reported this to the SEC then they complied when the NCAA came to them.

As I said, I came in peace to discuss this. I'm not flaming. If that is all you guys are capable of doing, then I'll give up trying to hear the other side of the story.

 

[Tulsa Dawg]

Auburn trolls abound.

 

[NashvilleBulldawg]

Ok, I've always supported AU when they're not playing State. But this has gotten ridiculous.
You think AU comes out cleaner? And how is that? It's becoming more and more evident that the preacher asked for money. Cam told recruiters "the money was too much". Cam told SI he wanted to go to State, but his dad decided upon AU. Despite the fact that no one has implicated AU, how, as an AU fan, do you feel YOUR school comes out cleaner? The only way this happens is if the SEC or NCAA turns a blind eye. Better chance of the SEC doing that than NCAA.
Let's think about your logic: you think the preacher asks State for money. State says "no way." Recruit goes to AU because the preacher says to. He decides this without asking AU for money? Makes a whole lot o' sense there, brah.

 

[RollPuddle]

Do you not think it possible that he is catering to the majority of his customer base with his views? He may fellate the tide on a regular basis but his show is based in Alabama.

Absolutely. This is how he has made his career. Good point.

 

[msubullie4life]

You are just getting facts thrown at you. Stick around the board...you'll learn to enjoy it.. your best bud, TUSK can attest to it.

 

[RollPuddle]

Auburn trolls abound.

I'm sorry that your allegiance to Mississippi State makes you incapable of talking with a fan from another school without them being a 'troll.'

If you folks are that butt hurt that somebody is trying to carry on an objective conversation with you, I can go elsewhere. Would have expected this on an LSU board, but didn't really expect it here.

 

[slickdawg]

Who originally reported this to the NCAA?? Slive's statement last night said the SEC didn't take it to the NCAA. Did one of MSU's statements claim to do so? I have been under the impression that MSU only reported this to the SEC then they complied when the NCAA came to them.

As I said, I came in peace to discuss this. I'm not flaming. If that is all you guys are capable of doing, then I'll give up trying to hear the other side of the story.

did you not understand?

Cam's father asked for money to play. State said no. State turned it in. End of story.

 

[RollPuddle]

Ok, I've always supported AU when they're not playing State. But this has gotten ridiculous.
You think AU comes out cleaner? And how is that? It's becoming more and more evident that the preacher asked for money. Cam told recruiters "the money was too much". Cam told SI he wanted to go to State, but his dad decided upon AU. Despite the fact that no one has implicated AU, how, as an AU fan, do you feel YOUR school comes out cleaner? The only way this happens is if the SEC or NCAA turns a blind eye. Better chance of the SEC doing that than NCAA.
Let's think about your logic: you think the preacher asks State for money. State says "no way." Recruit goes to AU because the preacher says to. He decides this without asking AU for money? Makes a whole lot o' sense there, brah.

Now you see why I'm here. Its a weird thing at Auburn right now. They have some pretty intriguing resumes on the compliance department. Auburn knew about all these allegations back in July. The compliance department still insists that Cam was eligible. Now if they came up with new information in this investigation *shrug*

And yes it does look very dirty for Auburn. Unless 200k is sitting in a jar in the backyard, it shouldn't be this hard to trace, esp with the FBI involved. Not to say its right, because its NOT, but you guys know as well as I do there are lots of players getting paid with back door deals around this league. I mean hell, Dre Kirk is driving that charger in T-town with his name all over it.

 

[codeDawg]

money, you are kidding yourself. I believe our guys because everything they have said is starting to be verified by Rogers and Cecil. Did we want to just pay the cash and go on, I'm sure we did, but we can't afford probation, so we just ran it up the chain. The NCAA would have crucified us. They hate us. See: Renardo Sydney.

If you think Cecil wanted $180,000 to play at MSU, but Auburn was free, you need to ask yourself some questions about your grip on reality. Of course nobody is accusing Auburn of anything, just the Newtons. Auburn on probation is bad for business, but the Newtons deserve what is coming to them.

 

[TUSK.sixpack]

If Auburn did pay for a player, I hope they get the same treatment Bama did over the Means debacle...

 

[Bulldawg56]

I don't know how many people have read this, but this came out yesterday...

http://content.usatoday.c...from-mississippi-state/1

Apparently Cecil has admitted to asking for money, but it did not involve MSU officials.

 

[Rockydawg]

Who originally reported this to the NCAA?? Slive's statement last night said the SEC didn't take it to the NCAA. Did one of MSU's statements claim to do so? I have been under the impression that MSU only reported this to the SEC then they complied when the NCAA came to them.

As I said, I came in peace to discuss this. I'm not flaming. If that is all you guys are capable of doing, then I'll give up trying to hear the other side of the story.

Slow clap...

 

[RollPuddle]

Who originally reported this to the NCAA?? Slive's statement last night said the SEC didn't take it to the NCAA. Did one of MSU's statements claim to do so? I have been under the impression that MSU only reported this to the SEC then they complied when the NCAA came to them.

As I said, I came in peace to discuss this. I'm not flaming. If that is all you guys are capable of doing, then I'll give up trying to hear the other side of the story.

did you not understand?

Cam's father asked for money to play. State said no. State turned it in. End of story.

Well this is why I ask. This is from MSU's statement.

"Due to MSU dealing with ongoing and time-consuming eligibility
issues involving non-football matters in the winter and spring of 2010,
the specific SEC request went unfulfilled. Some additional information
was provided to the SEC during July of 2010. Once the NCAA
enforcement staff became involved, Mississippi State University
cooperated fully with its investigation"

This says that you guys reported to the SEC 6 months after the initial request. It says nothing about MSU going to the NCAA. I'm not saying they didn't, I just haven't seen it in a statement and was asking what you guys knew.

 

[msubullie4life]

turn on their sarcasm meters unless they areexplicitlytold so.

 

[BehrDawg]

He hates us and the feeling is mutual. Dont ever come over here giving that *** jockey credit.

 

[buddawg]

Finebaum said.

 

[RollPuddle]

He hates us and the feeling is mutual. Dont ever come over here giving that *** jockey credit.

Can't really argue with that. If you're ever over this way I'll buy you a beer. No hard feelings.

 

[TUSK.sixpack]

nm

 

[maroonmania]

believe Kenny Rogers AND Cecil Newton are both scumbags. So what. Rogers was working on behalf of the Newtons as directed by Cecil and Rogers, nor Cecil, have ever indicated that Rogers in any way had anything to do with representing MSU. In fact, thoughRogers is an ex-MSU player from decades ago apparently he hasn't been associated with anyone MSU related in a long, long time and works for some shady agency based in Illinois. The reason he made contact with Bell and Bond was simply because he did know them from his playing days and those were apparently the only contacts he had.

 

[FQDawg]

Do I think Rogers is dirty? Absolutely. I think he's a runner for an agent and has a history of mis-representing himself to anyone he thinks he can squeeze cash from.

[auburn logic]
But I also don't really consider him a booster. Early reports insinuate that he hadn't been involved with the program at all and hadn't really been on campus much in the last 25 years. I think he had an in with Cecil because of his "job" heppin' people and when Cecil asked about getting paid, Rogers said "I can hep with that" even though he really couldn't. I think Rogers was a rogue player in all this who at no point legitimately represented Mississippi State. The two actual boosters who got involved, Bell and Bond, worked together to immediately turn the info into the proper people at State.
[/auburn logic]

Now, will the NCAA see it that way? I don't know. But that's how I see it. And that tells me we did the right thing and so, at most, we might get a slap on the wrist for "boosters" having improper contact with a recruit. Which is likely to be way worse than what I think will happen to Auburn.

 

[buddawg]

Like someone else said, #+$%%!%%

 

[BehrDawg]

What has he EVER done for our University? I've never even heard of the guy as a "booster" or "contributor" to our athletic program.