Pete Rose Attempting to Seek Reinstatement Again
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Got married in Vegas last April. Pete Rose was doing an autgraph picture thing at mall in Mandalay Bay. Pete did a photo with all of us in our bridal/groom shower. Great man
He prolly took that $100 bucks and blew it on a 1 hand. Hope he won
He prolly took that $100 bucks and blew it on a 1 hand. Hope he won
I missed it. I bet I was waiting in line at that dispensary over near Las Vegas Blvd and Garces St. when he was signing autographs.
Damn. Damn. Damn.
I'm not familiar with the Astros situation but with all the performance enhancing drug use, cheaters, and domestic abusers that have popped up over the years it does seem like Rose's punishment was extreme. He gambled on games but he didn't cheat to win them. Make your own judgement as to the moral equivalence there.
He deserves to be in as a player
However his other problems need posted too
I wasn’t a big Rose fan but loved the big red machine in the 70’s. Best time ever to be a baseball fan. Lots of outlandish players gave the sport some personality
However his other problems need posted too
I wasn’t a big Rose fan but loved the big red machine in the 70’s. Best time ever to be a baseball fan. Lots of outlandish players gave the sport some personality
I remember being in the mall at Ceasar’s one time and was checking out the memorabilia store they had there, I hear someone talking in the back room and peek in to see Pete on the phone. I believe he shows up at Cooperstown every year during induction weekend to sign autographs.
****** dumb he wasn’t in the HOF 30 years ago.
With all of the garbage that has happened in baseball since he was banned, I say put him in now.
Meh ..put him in. He’s paid his dues
But he paid them with money made from gambling on baseball [laughing].
I crack myself up.
Guys like Bonds, McGuire, Sosa and others that took PED's actually impacted the game on the field. That's far worse than ANYTHING Pete did. No one can refute how much Pete loved the game. IMO, he respected it too much to cheat.
He respected baseball so much that he chose to repeatedly break its ONE unpardonable sin.
I understand, but He bet on his own team....to win. Point is, those other players I mentioned actually did things that influenced the outcome of many, many games.
The list of unpardonable sins needs to be enlarged....using drugs to gain an advantage, using technology for the same purpose.
Do you truly not comprehend that betting “on his own team...to win” is meaningless unless he bet an equal amount of money on each and every game?
He didn’t
I understand that, too. By virtue of not betting against his team sent messages to other gamblers. I am not attempting to minimize what he did and can't argue Giamatti's decision to ban him from active participation in the game. However, nothing he did minimizes his accomplishments on the field....while others who did unethical things that actually impacted games are in the hof. There is zero doubt that Pete should be in the hof.
I just have very little sympathy for a guy who broke the one rule you know you're not allowed to break and then spent 15 years passing up every opportunity to tell the truth despite baseball begging him to just come clean so they could patch things up and put him in.
The guy still bets on baseball, for Pete's sake. He doesn't get it. He isn't sorry, he just can't have something he really, really wants for his own personal gain. He's a toddler with 4,000 hits.
Besides, it's not like anyone who cares enough to go to the Hall of Fame doesn't know who Pete Rose is. He's a bigger legend and story by *not* being in, if you're about the history of the game and all that.
The guy still bets on baseball, for Pete's sake. He doesn't get it. He isn't sorry, he just can't have something he really, really wants for his own personal gain. He's a toddler with 4,000 hits.
Besides, it's not like anyone who cares enough to go to the Hall of Fame doesn't know who Pete Rose is. He's a bigger legend and story by *not* being in, if you're about the history of the game and all that.
What this guy said and will add that he is a POS as well. I am all for adding him once he dies.
I think this has been discussed a lot in the past on this board, but not betting against his team isn't that much better than betting for his team to win. It would have affected his decision making during games either way. I'm a Reds fan, and a Pete fan, and if he does get in some day, I will celebrate it for all the fans who got to watch him play in his prime and for the fact that he helped lead them to two World Series .... but he doesn't deserve it.
You either (a) DON'T understand it, or (b) you ARE attempting to minimize what he did -- otherwise, why would you continue to trot out the "but he only bet on his team to win" excuse as if it actually means something?
Okay, let's put it this way. The issue is whether or not he should be in the Hall. Granted, Pete should not be active in the game because he bet on the game. BG was right. However, he should be in the Hall of Fame based solely on performance.
He should be kept out of the Hall Of Fame based solely on being unrepentant and stupid.
MLB now allows betting on baseball (not active players/coaches I'm sure). The new Commish has allowed it to be bet on by Vegas, others, etc. Their unforgivable sin is now promoted and allowed.
Patriots were caught red-handed cheating multiple times and I don't hear an outcry (not specifically you OP) about them being banned and stripped of their status. Both will go in as 1st ballot HOFers.
Pete Rose had numerous opportunities to come clean and consistently chose to lie about the entire situation unless he could have figured a way to profit from a situation he created.
So regardless of what MLB does to expand their revenue base, having baseball managers bet on their team is bad for business and I am sure there are enough people in power that will make sure he never gets in.
Gaylord Perry is in the HOF and is well known for cheating during his days as a pitcher. Everybody in baseball knew he was cheating at the time.
I am not defending Rose breaking a rule and lying about it. What he did was wrong. But why is his broken rule worse than Gaylord Perry's or Bonds, Clemens, McGwire, etc?
Because gambling risks violating the most fundamental principle that is shared across all competitive sports.
In any sport, an individual or team is competing against an opponent and is genuinely trying to win. All of a sport’s other rules build on that fundamental principle and simply establish how that specific game will be played and define what constitutes fair play.
So if I use PEDs to improve my hitting, I’m violating the rules of fair play. But I’m doing it in an attempt to win, so I’m not violating the most fundamental rule of the game.
Gambling introduces scenarios where players are no longer even trying to win the game, which violates the most fundamental rule of all competitive sports. That’s why gambling is a much more serious offense than PEDs or spying on an opponent’s practice, and that’s why it comes with more of a zero tolerance approach.
Pete knew this and decided to violate this rule anyway.
Cheating is cheating in my book, but nice rationalization.
You think the Astros didn't violate any rules because they were trying to win? Houston didn't work harder or train more, they stole signs. They set up an elaborate system to CHEAT. If Rose was punished, they should be punished, Haven't heard of anyone on the Astros being punished except the Franchise, GM and Manager. No players unless something has happened lately.
So what about teams that intentionally tank their season when they know they are not legitimate contenders in order to improve draft stock? Is that somehow different because it’s a team choice versus an individual? Pete was never caught throwing a game. I don’t know if he ever did or not, but I do think it should be on MLB to prove he did if they are going to punish him like he did.
Pete Rose admitted to betting on baseball games...including placinging bets on his own team.
Try to keep up.
Which does not mean he made decision in regards to tactics or rosters that intentionally placed the Reds at a disadvantage to the opponent they faced.
Try to keep up he says, while lagging behind.
If your take away from my post is that I don’t believe the Astros’ actions constitute cheating, then you need to re-read my post more carefully because you clearly didn’t understand it.
I get you were saying, you think it's less wrong because the Astros were trying to win. It's a weird rationale, but it is what it is.
I say this as a huge Reds fan.... Rose will never be reinstated and I can’t see a scenario where it’s even seriously considered.
He bet on baseball. He bet as both a player and a manager. That in and of itself would be enough but Rose’s actions after the fact cement his ban. Rose even agreed to the lifetime ban (partially to end an investigation that was nearly certain to find more).
Then, after Giamatti died the week after the ban was finalized, Rose spent the next 2 decades lying and trashing Giamatti every chance he got. No commissioner is gonna forget that.
When did Rose finally admit to lying? When he thought he could most cash in on it in an autobiography. Was his autobiography even fully truthful? Nope.
Rose is where he has decided to be.
He bet on baseball. He bet as both a player and a manager. That in and of itself would be enough but Rose’s actions after the fact cement his ban. Rose even agreed to the lifetime ban (partially to end an investigation that was nearly certain to find more).
Then, after Giamatti died the week after the ban was finalized, Rose spent the next 2 decades lying and trashing Giamatti every chance he got. No commissioner is gonna forget that.
When did Rose finally admit to lying? When he thought he could most cash in on it in an autobiography. Was his autobiography even fully truthful? Nope.
Rose is where he has decided to be.