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According to some posters on here you aren't a physical team unless you run a Power I, option or Wing T. James Monroe a 3a school lost two games to 4a foes Chancellor and Dinwiddie (#3 and #1 seed in their east pod) and got better as the season progressed. I am not saying they will advance far in the playoffs (have no clue), but Coach Serbay, his staff and team deserve to be extremely proud of their accomplishments thus far.

In truth, I really don't understand how the word finesse (subtle or delicate manner) relates to football. It drives me nuts when posters says a team is not "physical" Physical has numerous meanings, but one that seems to fit is forceful and laborious. The last time I checked a counter was a counter, a sweep was a sweep, a draw was a draw and a pass was a pass. What difference does the set actually make? The reality is many teams utilize the pistol and spread the field to open up space and reduce the interior seven to five. This 5 vs.5 interior scheme helps smaller offensive lines create running lanes. Just like JM, Dinwiddie utilizes this scheme and the run is still the primary weapon. I guess the critique comes from the thought that a spread team cannot be a "smash mouth" team. It's no different than when some say "smash mouth teams can't pass". We all know that is not necessarily true and the sword cuts both ways. Being balanced and able to exploit your opponents weaknesses is the key. Heck, if you run it 50 times a game and win great. Pass it 50 times and win great again.

Football is football. 11 vs. 11 smacking heads. Some dodge and some run over you. I guess that's the difference. Good luck to JM and all of the non-conformist spread teams.lol.
Physical teams to me are teams who can still get good push by the offensive line and run it down your throat whether you try putting eight or more in the box or not. Doesn't matter the formation. Bird, Salem, older Amherst, Phoebus and Hampton teams, last year's Hanover, Lake Taylor, Stone Bridge, Riverheads, Giles, and Centreville are examples. Finesse teams to me can be teams who say they are run first or want to be run first, but usually have to be successful passing to open up the run. Or they like to run a lot of screens, bubble screens or quick passes. Flashy stuff. If you have to spread teams out to get more running lanes, you're not physical IMO, regardless of line size. If a team can line up and pound good teams with the I or Singleback, then go to a spread or pistol and do the same thing, even if they are not a good passing team, that's physical to me. Last year's Hanover is a good example of a team that would've pounded you, no matter what formation they ran.



JM look any different to you today @BleedingNavy? It seems to me they've changed some of their philosophy. And I think we aren't getting the full story on KG, I see a couple of missing players from the team I saw against Louisa... I also see a lot of KG beating themselves.

BN, you also said to me through inbox when talking about Dinwiddie's out of district schedule of next year, something along the lines of "with our luck, those teams will suck". That implies to me that you feel inside that this year's OOD teams on your schedule aren't good. Otherwise, why the heck would you say that, but act like the OOD teams are so good this year on the board?
 
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Physical teams to me are teams who can still get good push by the offensive line and run it down your throat whether you try putting eight or more in the box or not. Doesn't matter the formation. Bird, Salem, older Amherst, Phoebus and Hampton teams, Lake Taylor, Stone Bridge, Riverheads, Giles, and Centreville are examples. Finesse teams to me can be teams who say they are run first or want to be run first, but usually have to be successful passing to open up the run. Or they like to run a lot of screens, bubble screens or quick passes. Flashy stuff. If you have to spread teams out to get more running lanes, you're not physical IMO, regardless of line size. If a team can line up and pound good teams with the I or Singleback, then go to a spread or pistol and do the same thing, even if they are not a good passing team, that's physical to me.



JM look any different to you today @BleedingNavy? It seems to be me they've changed some of their philosophy. And I think we aren't getting the full story on KG, I see a couple of missing players from the team I saw against Louisa... I also see a lot of KG beating themselves.

BN, you also said to me through inbox when talking about Dinwiddie's out of district schedule of next year, something along the lines of "with our luck, those teams will suck". That implies to me that you feel inside that this year's OOD teams on your schedule aren't good. Otherwise, why the heck would you say that, but act like the OOD teams are so good this year on the board?



That sure doesn't sound like anything Navy would ever say! He might have eluded to that fact that we hope our new OOD schedule next year wins a lot of games and don't have bad years. But, I don't think I've ever heard him refer to any team in that manner.
 

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@DinwiddieProud well your boy said it. Here's the quote from back in September:
Damn big man. We will have to win out and play two extra games to catch you guys in points. Guess, I may finally get my trip to the Jungle. I hope yall get a terrible rain before the end of the season and have to play on Saturday. I want to see you guys live. One thing is for sure. If I see you and believe you will beat us I will say so. Lots of football to go, but I want tobsee our teams play really bad. Should have already happened. We have Smithfield, Salem and someone else next year out of district. Knowing our luck every team will suck.
Just wish everyone would give their true thoughts and not be so PC. I say my same thoughts about other teams in public or private. I consider BN an experienced expert who has seen some of the best and worst high school teams to come through Virginia over the years. I know he knows when a team is good or not, and if he really feels this year's JM is as good as he says on the board, well.... :confused:
 
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Hoos, dont twist that message around. I was simply saying how frustrating it is to play teams like Caroline and get so few points. Think about it Hanover 2-8, Caroline 2-8, and JM 8-2 this year. Saying "knowing our luck next years teams will suck" was tongue and cheak is a direct reflection of Hanover flipping there record. Do you really thinknI was insuating Salem and Smithfield will suck? Come on man. I didnt even know who our third opponent would be.

For the past two years we have been stuck in the middle of the pack in our pod. Played LT in round 2 in 2014 and hanover in round 2 last year. It makes perfect sense to worry. The true facts here is how you are now trying to justify KG's fall from geace since you labled them as a contender. Hmmmm. Who beat them last week handily?

No expert here and as I said earlier that I dont know how good JM is. Our schedule doesnt matter. We played and beat every team on our schedule. Win Friday night and you get a chance to shut everybody up if we can beat Courtland. Lose Friday??????
 
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You want me to talk straight well here you go.

I told you last year Louisa does not match up well with Monacan and I will say it again.

You better bring some heat on Fludd cause all that great video you sent me tells me the Lions cant cover the Chiefs receivers. You have not faced a quarterback in two years that can throw it like Fludd.

Louisa is good I will not deny it, but you better run it down their throat all night long. They can and will score often if you dont.

Not going to predict a winner. I still believe our side of the bracket is a gauntlet and anybody can advance.

Do I think Dinwiddie can win it all? Sure do and playing at home is a huge factor. Can we lose Friday absolutely. I am still praying dude.
 

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Okay, lets just hope we both win, so our teams can settle it on the field. This bantering back in forth will not win any games. The good thing for both our teams if we win on Friday is we will get a chance to get a taste of the others offense. Courtland runs a similar offense to yours and Monacan is virtually identical to ours.

Good luck. Pray with me Hoos.
 
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