Planned Parenthood Videos...???

[bigblueinsanity_rivals250340]

So it's a heartbeat, not conception, that determines life and morality? There are so many moral absolutes in this thread that I'm having difficulty keeping them straight.

To me, a lifeform isnt alive unless its heart is beating.

I completely understand the validity of the utilitarian stance regarding abortion, and it saving society from having to care for unwanted kids. But to me, the unborn individuals right trumps that position. Anything else is just an attempt to rationalize barbaric and extra ordinarily selfish behavior.

Generally liberals will chain themselves to trees. Create a floating human barrier to prevent oil tankers from coming through. Dedicate their daily lives to blogging and crying about a lion in Zimbabwe. But think its perfectly fine to kill babies and sell their organs.

I have no idea how anyone can even begin to explain this position.

 

[sluggercatfan]

Don't really have a stance on abortion, however the "we want equality" feminists always leave out the male in the decision..u know the person who planted the seed so should also have a say. But anyway, condoms are free and bc is easily accessible...so your just lazy If you get put in that position. And the rape scenario simply isn't who's getting abortions statistically, so it's an invalid arguement.

But if PP is going to sell tissue, I think it's pretty unethical to do so for profit.

As was pointed out earlier, the father has zero rights or say in the matter in the woman chooses .

 

[WettCat]

If the "law" is settled on capital punishment, then why do liberals protest so strongly to defend individuals who committed horrendous crimes? But yet, they also protest to allow for the killing of completely innocent fetuses---almost up to the point of being a fully developed baby.

Where is the logic in this?

 

[BristolCat_rivals158386]

If the "law" is settled on capital punishment, then why do liberals protest so strongly to defend individuals who committed horrendous crimes? But yet, they also protest to allow for the killing of completely innocent fetuses---almost up to the point of being a fully developed baby.

Where is the logic in this?

I don't know. I re-read it like 4 times and couldn't find any.

 

[Big_Blue79]

Always interesting to see those in favor of abortion are already alive

Think of how interesting the opposite would be? And fair point.

 

[fuzz77]

To me, a lifeform isnt alive unless its heart is beating.

I completely understand the validity of the utilitarian stance regarding abortion, and it saving society from having to care for unwanted kids. But to me, the unborn individuals right trumps that position. Anything else is just an attempt to rationalize barbaric and extra ordinarily selfish behavior.

Generally liberals will chain themselves to trees. Create a floating human barrier to prevent oil tankers from coming through. Dedicate their daily lives to blogging and crying about a lion in Zimbabwe. But think its perfectly fine to kill babies and sell their organs.

I have no idea how anyone can even begin to explain this position.

So people have a wide spectrum of beliefs...that's what you are saying. And you're also saying that all "liberals" are pro-choice...which would be a wrong assumption on your part.
You have no earthly idea if the people chaining themselves to trees are pro-life or pro-choice. You have no earthly idea if some of those people crying about a lion are conservatives.

You sir are a poster child for what is wrong with attempts to discuss politics and culture on message boards. You want to classify everyone as black or white, liberal or conservative and then apply misbegotten stereotypes that you've probably had brainwashed into you head to those two groups.
Why?
Are you not intelligent enough to engage in discussion or debate about issues in an honest manner?
Are you not willing to face and answer the hard questions and allow for the fact that by FAR most people have positions and ideas that span the entire spectrum of political beliefs? Do you realize that we all have life experiences that play at least in part to our personal feelings about said issues?
My life experiences tell me the answer to all of the above questions is, "No".

 

[catlanta33]

Good Hannity talking points, you guys. Solid stuff as usual for those of you that can't or are unwilling to think for yourselves.

 

[UKserialkiller]

Ok, it's time to have a heart to heart talk with some of you.

(Looking seriously in your eyes)

All right folks, come'on.. Why ya'll trying to thwart God's Plan? You know how the human story ends. So why ya'll trying to hold up progress towards the Rapture? Just let this thing happen and soon heathens like me will be burning into the pits of Hell while you and your families float with angel wings with Jesus. Just let it happen.....You know how it ends....

 

[WettCat]

Good Hannity talking points, you guys. Solid stuff as usual for those of you that can't or are unwilling to think for yourselves.

Good talking point, solid way to show your false sense of superiority without bringing any thought or value to the conversation.

 

[catlanta33]

Good talking point, solid way to show your false sense of superiority without bringing any thought or value to the conversation.

Sure, wett. Because discussing abortion has anything to do with liberalism, a f'ing dead lion or whatever you right wing wackos use to deflect that you simply hate what you don't understand.

 

[WettCat]

And, just what is it that I don't understand? Please enlighten me.

 

[catlanta33]

And, just what is it that I don't understand? Please enlighten me.

Well, as much as I can't stand him, pretty much what Fuzz said. WHY DO YOU LIKE KILLING BABIES BUT NOT A LION?

 

[fuzz77]

If the "law" is settled on capital punishment, then why do liberals protest so strongly to defend individuals who committed horrendous crimes? But yet, they also protest to allow for the killing of completely innocent fetuses---almost up to the point of being a fully developed baby.

Where is the logic in this?

Objection to the death penalty is not to defend those individuals who have committed horrendous crimes...it's based upon the proven flaws in our criminal justice system. A system that routinely convicts the innocent and that we know has executed innocent people. A study by Columbia University found that 1 in 20 death row inmates were later proven innocent.

Provide me a criminal justice system that only executes people who are truly guilty and I would have no objections. In fact, I wouldn't care in what manner they were executed. You could walk them out of the court house and pop a cap in their head for all I care.

As of today our justice system is just too flawed and too inconsistent.

BTW, I know quite a few conservatives who feel the same way as I do on this subject.

 

[bigblueinsanity_rivals250340]

So people have a wide spectrum of beliefs...that's what you are saying. And you're also saying that all "liberals" are pro-choice...which would be a wrong assumption on your part.
You have no earthly idea if the people chaining themselves to trees are pro-life or pro-choice. You have no earthly idea if some of those people crying about a lion are conservatives.

You sir are a poster child for what is wrong with attempts to discuss politics and culture on message boards. You want to classify everyone as black or white, liberal or conservative and then apply misbegotten stereotypes that you've probably had brainwashed into you head to those two groups.
Why?
Are you not intelligent enough to engage in discussion or debate about issues in an honest manner?
Are you not willing to face and answer the hard questions and allow for the fact that by FAR most people have positions and ideas that span the entire spectrum of political beliefs? Do you realize that we all have life experiences that play at least in part to our personal feelings about said issues?
My life experiences tell me the answer to all of the above questions is, "No".

False. You were so proud of your superior intellect, that in your rush to gleefully type your post you missed me using the word GENERALLY. Which clearly means Im NOT addressing all liberals.

Too bad. Because you were so proud of your post.

"Wide spectrum of beliefs" is a hilarious way to as attempt explaining the rationale behind being ok with killing babies, but not ok with killing murderers, trees, lions, etc.

 

[-LEK-]

I love the paddock

 

[P.PattersonISwalkingthruthatdoor]

And, just what is it that I don't understand? Please enlighten me.

The fact that we have a bunch of dudes posting in a thread about whether or not a woman should be forced to endure a pregnancy

 

[catlanta33]

I would be in favor of outlawing abortion after 6 weeks but on the condition the nearest church to the mother's address either pays all expenses for the mother to bring it to full term and the child is legally adopted by a new family or pays all expenses for the child until he/she is 18. If not, no more tax exemption for churches and the child becomes a product of foster care so all taxpayers foot the bill and said child likely ends up f'd up anyway.

 

[fuzz77]

False. You were so proud of your superior intellect, that in your rush to gleefully type your post you missed me using the word GENERALLY. Which clearly means Im NOT addressing all liberals.

Too bad. Because you were so proud of your post.

"Wide spectrum of beliefs" is a hilarious way to as attempt explaining the rationale behind being ok with killing babies, but not ok with killing murderers, trees, lions, etc.

Generally liberals will chain themselves to trees.

Above I quoted the exact and complete sentence in which you used the world "Generally".
Do you know anyone who has ever chained themselves to a tree??? Because I do not. Who are you addressing because nobody in the discussion fits your generalizations.

I agree that it is quite hilarious to watch you continue with your "talking points script".

 

[bigblueinsanity_rivals250340]

The fact that we have a bunch of dudes posting in a thread about whether or not a woman should be forced to endure a pregnancy

Forced? Unless it was rape, it was a consensual act that had an unwanted result. An unwanted result that both parties knew full well could happen.

The actual living being's right to live should be tantamount to any discomfort/pain endured by the woman.

 

[bigblueinsanity_rivals250340]

Above I quoted the exact and complete sentence in which you used the world "Generally".
Do you know anyone who has ever chained themselves to a tree??? Because I do not. Who are you addressing because nobody in the discussion fits your generalizations.

I agree that it is quite hilarious to watch you continue with your "talking points script".

Because I dont know them personally means that it doesnt happen? I dont know any astronauts, but they still exist. I dont know any professional athletes personally, but they exist too.

Nice try at trying to change the debate from the inability to reconcile those clearly competing positions; to a position where those people dont really exist.

 

[wkycatfan7]

At a minimum, Planned Parenthood needs to raise their own money.

 

[sluggercatfan]

The fact that we have a bunch of dudes posting in a thread about whether or not a woman should be forced to endure a pregnancy

No, Most of us want to see them take some ... responsibility(is that a banned word with liberals these days?) ... and take the necessary steps to not get pregnant in the first place and then she wouldn't have to cross that bridge. Is that really too much to ask ? Seems quite simple and she can go to PP... since everybody claims most of these women are poor ,and get FREE birth control .

 

[fuzz77]

Because I dont know them personally means that it doesnt happen? I dont know any astronauts, but they still exist. I dont know any professional athletes personally, but they exist too.

Nice try at trying to change the debate from the inability to reconcile those clearly competing positions; to a position where those people dont really exist.

Again, I went over your head.
You stated that "Generally liberals chain themselves to trees..."
If that is "generally" what liberals do then shouldn't we know people who do these things? I mean...I know probably 1000 people more or less...a good number of them are liberals. If a characteristic generally applies then I would think that out of a sample size that large that it would apply to most of them...but zero?
In fact, if I think of my most liberal friends who would be most likely to chain themselves to trees...they are also vegans...and pro-life. They don't believe in killing anything.

 

[sluggercatfan]

Good Hannity talking points, you guys. Solid stuff as usual for those of you that can't or are unwilling to think for yourselves.

I'll take O'Reilly and Kelly over Hannity:smiley::sunglasses:...Is Chris Matthews your boy?

 

[Big_Blue79]

In all seriousness, it's sad and messed up but at the same time, why doesn't anyone bat an eye at abortion or the current scandal with Planned Parenthood?

Seems inconsistent.

Woo hoo consistency!

 

[Big_Blue79]

No, Most of us want to see them take some ... responsibility(is that a banned word with liberals these days?) ... and take the necessary steps to not get pregnant in the first place and then she wouldn't have to cross that bridge. Is that really too much to ask ? Seems quite simple and she can go to PP... since everybody claims most of these women are poor ,and get FREE birth control .

Can I assume you are not an abstinence only education proponent?

 

[KingOfBBN]

Woo hoo consistency!

Is there a reason you decided to harp on this again and quote me for this thread? You took a quote from another thread and put it over here?

 

[P.PattersonISwalkingthruthatdoor]

Forced? Unless it was rape, it was a consensual act that had an unwanted result. An unwanted result that both parties knew full well could happen.

The actual living being's right to live should be tantamount to any discomfort/pain endured by the woman.

Why the rape caveat? Murder is murder, no?

 

[CatsFanGG24]

The fact that we have a bunch of dudes posting in a thread about whether or not a woman should be forced to endure a pregnancy

truly is unlucky for the woman to be forced into pregnancy. if only there were things she could do to avoid getting pregnant.

 

[DaBossIsBack]

Slugger makes me want to abort.

 

[bigblueinsanity_rivals250340]

At a minimum, Planned Parenthood needs to raise their own money.

One would think. But welcome to the left's partisan politics, where if someone is on their side of the aisle, they can do no wrong.

Again, I went over your head.
You stated that "Generally liberals chain themselves to trees..."
If that is "generally" what liberals do then shouldn't we know people who do these things? I mean...I know probably 1000 people more or less...a good number of them are liberals. If a characteristic generally applies then I would think that out of a sample size that large that it would apply to most of them...but zero?
In fact, if I think of my most liberal friends who would be most likely to chain themselves to trees...they are also vegans...and pro-life. They don't believe in killing anything.

No. You just didnt make any sense. Now youre trying to backpeddle by cherry picking a small part of a much larger quote. And it still doesnt say what you want it to say.

Glad you know people with consistent views. Those clearly werent the people I discussed. Im interested in how people attempt to reconcile obviously opposite viewpoints.

Why the rape caveat? Murder is murder, no?

Because your post alleged women were forced into pregnancy, which clearly isnt true; unless they were raped.

As an aside, rape pregnancies are an incredibly tough issue for me. I still think the unborn child's right to life should prevail; but I do understand and sympathize greatly with the woman in those situations.

 

[-LEK-]

truly is unlucky for the woman to be forced into pregnancy. if only there were things she could do to avoid getting pregnant.

Like not wear such a sexy dress? Right? No means yes huh guy? Was she "asking for it?"

 

[CatsFanGG24]

Like not wear such a sexy dress? Right? No means yes huh guy? Was she "asking for it?"

So you are trying to compare unprotected sex to rape?

Really intelligent.

Should I call you an ape now, or wait for another ridiculous comment?

 

[-LEK-]

So you are trying to compare unprotected sex to rape?

Really intelligent.

Should I call you an ape now, or wait for another ridiculous comment?

No, I think you should go on with your rape comments.

 

[CatsFanGG24]

No, I think you should go on with your rape comments.

There were no rape comments clown...you brought that up. Pretty sick of you, actually.

 

[-LEK-]

truly is unlucky for the woman to be forced into pregnancy. if only there were things she could do to avoid getting pregnant.

Rape is one way women are forced into pregnancy. Maybe she shouldnt have worn that dress huh?

 

[TheDonJiggy]

While this is entirely true, I still think the unborn individuals right to life is still superior. Thats my struggle with the issue.

And abortion really has little to do with "war on women". That was just a clever, liberal re-couching of the debate to rationalize a barbaric stance; and martial up female votes. Its worked like a charm.

That's the way a lot of other people feel, and that's what stirs up a lot of passion I'm sure. Unfortunately for that contingency, the Supreme Court held that the interests of the mother outweigh the interest in protecting potential life until viability. Morality and personal philosophies aside, that's the reality of the constitutional framework that those who are pro-life have to work around.

 

[bigblueinsanity_rivals250340]

That's the way a lot of other people feel, and that's what stirs up a lot of passion I'm sure. Unfortunately for that contingency, the Supreme Court held that the interests of the mother outweigh the interest in protecting potential life until viability. Morality and personal philosophies aside, that's the reality of the constitutional framework that those who are pro-life have to work around.

Like Id mentioned a few pages back, I do agree that abortion is no longer a question of law. Thats well settled and almost certainly will never change.

My discussions are about the morality, ethics, and rationale behind abortion.

 

[CatsFanGG24]

Rape is one way women are forced into pregnancy. Maybe she shouldnt have worn that dress huh?

That is a totally different topic altogether - would never bash a victim and wouldn't force that victim to have to deal with it all over again.

I think abortion is horrible, but I am not against it.

I just think acting like women get pregnant by random chance is silly (again, non rape - as it always was until you tried to create some BS)

 

[TheDonJiggy]

To me, a lifeform isnt alive unless its heart is beating.

I completely understand the validity of the utilitarian stance regarding abortion, and it saving society from having to care for unwanted kids. But to me, the unborn individuals right trumps that position. Anything else is just an attempt to rationalize barbaric and extra ordinarily selfish behavior.

Generally liberals will chain themselves to trees. Create a floating human barrier to prevent oil tankers from coming through. Dedicate their daily lives to blogging and crying about a lion in Zimbabwe. But think its perfectly fine to kill babies and sell their organs.

I have no idea how anyone can even begin to explain this position.

Serious question, not trying to troll and won't judge the answer. Pure curiosity here: when do you believe that life begins for lifeforms that don't have hearts at all, i.e. plants and trees?