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mikesalem

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I know they shouldn't, but some of the players read this board. I had one such player send me a message last week regarding posts on this board that I thought I would share.

"It just kinda sucks to see the same people that was all with us last year, talk so bad about us now."

Everyone is welcome to their opinions and sharing them is what this board is for. Just remember these guys read the boards (even though they shouldn't) and they need to be backed up, not torn down. Criticism and observations should be constructive not destructive.
 

71ShadesofNavy

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I second thst amen. I texted Mike last week about a Salem player commenting about the negativity towards the team on twitter. Thats why I encouraged the Salem faithful to stick by the kids. The Spartans have given you guys years of fun and bragging rights. Every team has its struggles, but remember a win is a win no matter how ugly.
 

Gunz41!

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I second thst amen. I texted Mike last week about a Salem player commenting about the negativity towards the team on twitter. Thats why I encouraged the Salem faithful to stick by the kids. The Spartans have given you guys years of fun and bragging rights. Every team has its struggles, but remember a win is a win no matter how ugly.

I just don't understand the negativity when they are 2 time defending champs. No one is going to win every game every year. My team went from losing 1 game by 1 point last year to 3-3 now, I'm not upset
 
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I think it's more of the quality of play they are doing. These boys have so much potential and it's seeing them not executing fundamentals on tackling i.e. Arm tackling. Salem has always prided themselves in good sound fundamentals and not seeing that all the time is disheartening.
 

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Navy and I have had several discussions on this... Salem is still a huge threat to make it to Williamsburg. So the raft took on a little water??? Get out your buckets and lets fight to make it to shore.
 

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You need to explain to that kid that if fans actually didn't care then they'd be GONE not on here talking about how they should be playing better. You tell him to take a good look around when they go play HV or CS coming up for how things look when teams don't win and fans don't care. Better yet, you tell him to find the active HV or CS poster on this board. Tell that kid to get a big heaping glass of perspective before he comes and complains.

And tell him if he can't handle this to stay off the boards period. Nobody, minus people talking about Ramsey fumbling, are out here naming names when they talk about what's going on with the team.
 

Lafayette Rams

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You need to explain to that kid that if fans actually didn't care then they'd be GONE not on here talking about how they should be playing better. You tell him to take a good look around when they go play HV or CS coming up for how things look when teams don't win and fans don't care. Better yet, you tell him to find the active HV or CS poster on this board. Tell that kid to get a big heaping glass of perspective before he comes and complains.

And tell him if he can't handle this to stay off the boards period. Nobody, minus people talking about Ramsey fumbling, are out here naming names when they talk about what's going on with the team.
More than once in the stands I can get critical of a really bone head play and some players parents turn around and hassle me some. My response is I have been at 95% of Lafayette games since 1997. Next year or the year after will I even see you here in the stands? Probably not!
 
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Gunz41!

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You need to explain to that kid that if fans actually didn't care then they'd be GONE not on here talking about how they should be playing better. You tell him to take a good look around when they go play HV or CS coming up for how things look when teams don't win and fans don't care. Better yet, you tell him to find the active HV or CS poster on this board. Tell that kid to get a big heaping glass of perspective before he comes and complains.

And tell him if he can't handle this to stay off the boards period. Nobody, minus people talking about Ramsey fumbling, are out here naming names when they talk about what's going on with the team.

That is somewhat stretching the truth. While I dont know about the schools you brought up, there are certainly posters on here that are from schools who aren't winning and fans at games who aren't winning.

And you certainly can't blame someone else for another's actions. Anyone has the same right to be on here, so when they see negative things being posted they can be upset. And you certainly are altering what you said by saying nobody has been named besides one kid and fumbles, well BY NAME, you may be correct, but when you say QB, DL, LB, DB, etc that is naming them without naming them.

I am sure these KIDS and coaches are doing the very best they can, and it just hasn't turned out the way the wanted it to. And I am sure you wouldn't someone talking about you.

Last thing I will say, is if I were that age, a 2 time defending champion, and on a team that is still playing and will have a chance to win it all once playoffs start, if I see a fan saying we need to get ready for next season, that shows that fan doesn't have faith in us, so it would upset me and question his loyalty
 

Gunz41!

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More than once in the stands I can get critical of a really bone head play and some players parents turn around and hassle me some. My response is I have been at 95% of Lafayette games since 1997. Next year or the year after will I even see you here in the stands? Probably not!

Well you have to understand that IF those fans won't be there in a couple of seasons, they are probably parents of a kid on the team, and they don't want to hear negative things. And if they are only there for their kid, then they probably have no idea who you are, and that you have been to 95% of games.

Not bragging or anything, and only time I am in stands is away games, but I know I know a lot more than 95% in the stands, and I get really tired of hearing these people in the stands that know NOTHING and complain. If I disagree with something, I either think it or say something quietly to ones that sit around me
 

1MoreHokie

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That is somewhat stretching the truth. While I dont know about the schools you brought up, there are certainly posters on here that are from schools who aren't winning and fans at games who aren't winning.

Salem fan support is far superior to many, many schools in the state and has been so for decades and decades. I won't listen to a bunch of kids lecture fans who've been going to games longer than they've been alive. Those kids don't know how good they have it at Salem, that's my point. They're as spoiled as players as we are as fans. This is not a one-way operation, players fuel the fans fuel the players.

You're still not getting it and neither did the player: the people posting on a freaking messageboard about HS football ARE the people who are always at games, home or away. They're the loyal fans. The parents, the bandwagon fans, those are the people who disappear after a couple losses, they aren't coming on here and talking about the game and then not going. When he goes to HV or CS this year, he'll see their hardcore fans because those are bad teams, those are the fans who support win or lose. It doesn't get so bleak at Salem but trust me when I say these kids don't know how empty a 7100 person stadium can look when the win totals drop. Salem is definitely not immune to that, far from it in fact.

And you certainly can't blame someone else for another's actions. Anyone has the same right to be on here, so when they see negative things being posted they can be upset.

I like how you apply this to me but not to the player. Fans are allowed to have opinions only you don't need to tell me because I've never once complained about anyone else's opinion on here despite agreeing or disagreeing with them but that's because I don't need to see one small little window of the world in order to not have a bad day.

I am sure these KIDS and coaches are doing the very best they can, and it just hasn't turned out the way the wanted it to. And I am sure you wouldn't someone talking about you.

Last thing I will say, is if I were that age, a 2 time defending champion, and on a team that is still playing and will have a chance to win it all once playoffs start, if I see a fan saying we need to get ready for next season, that shows that fan doesn't have faith in us, so it would upset me and question his loyalty

I have absolutely no faith in the D, you're right. They have shown repeatedly against the 4 teams we've played this year that aren't a mess of a program that they aren't cutting it. 24 points in a quarter to Amherst, an inability to stop Dinwiddie from exerting their will when Dinwiddie needed it, the Blacksburg game, 400 yards passing to PH. 140 points and what I'd guess is 1900-2000 yards given up in 4 games. It's not a good D and this team is what it is but I don't hate them for it and I've never said otherwise. I've said from the start Salem can't win state every year, I'm perfectly fine when 10-3 (my prediction for the year), is considered a down year but I'm not going to sit here and lie and say everything is fine and do the "aw shucks" routine after they get blasted by 40 points.

I would love to be proven wrong about this D but I'm not going to just sit around and lie about it either. I'll still be at the games as always, apparently not being a loyal fan by kissing enough *** and spitting enough sunshine.
 
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Gunz41!

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Salem fan support is far superior to many, many schools in the state and has been so for decades and decades. I won't listen to a bunch of kids lecture fans who've been going to games longer than they've been alive. Those kids don't know how good they have it at Salem, that's my point. They're as spoiled as players as we are as fans. This is not a one-way operation, players fuel the fans fuel the players.

You're still not getting it and neither did the player: the people posting on a freaking messageboard about HS football ARE the people who are always at games, home or away. They're the loyal fans. The parents, the bandwagon fans, those are the people who disappear after a couple losses, they aren't coming on here and talking about the game and then not going. When he goes to HV or CS this year, he'll see their hardcore fans because those are bad teams, those are the fans who support win or lose. It doesn't get so bleak at Salem but trust me when I say these kids don't know how empty a 7100 person stadium can look when the win totals drop. Salem is definitely not immune to that, far from it in fact.



I like how you apply this to me but not to the player. Fans are allowed to have opinions only you don't need to tell me because I've never once complained about anyone else's opinion on here despite agreeing or disagreeing with them but that's because I don't need to see one small little window of the world in order to not have a bad day.



I have absolutely no faith in the D, you're right. They have shown repeatedly against the 4 teams we've played this year that aren't a mess of a program that they aren't cutting it. 24 points in a quarter to Amherst, an inability to stop Dinwiddie from exerting their will when Dinwiddie needed it, the Blacksburg game, 400 yards passing to PH. 140 points and what I'd guess is 1900-2000 yards given up in 4 games. It's not a good D and this team is what it is but I don't hate them for it and I've never said otherwise. I've said from the start Salem can't win state every year, I'm perfectly fine when 10-3 (my prediction for the year), is considered a down year but I'm not going to sit here and lie and say everything is fine and do the "aw shucks" routine after they get blasted by 40 points.

I would love to be proven wrong about this D but I'm not going to just sit around and lie about it either. I'll still be at the games as always, apparently not being a loyal fan by kissing enough *** and spitting enough sunshine.

I think you are only seeing things through your glasses, and they certainly aren't rose colored. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, right or wrong, but you basically made yourself more important than the player because you have been there longer. You said you won't listen to a player, but if he comes on here he has to read what you said. Like I said, you wouldn't like it if someone was talking about you like that. Think about yourself at work, you have a very difficult job to do, you do your best, and then you have people saying you did a horrible job.

You're assessments of the team I have absolutely no issue with. It thinking that you can say them on a message board and nobody is allowed to have their opinions on it, which includes KIDS, who if you didn't know are not fully matured psychologically.

You also completely missed the point about fans. You said take a look at fans that dont win and don't care. Of course there are those everywhere, but there are also fans at every school that show up no matter what. Is it really a surprise to you that teams who aren't winning dont have as many fans? I dont understand where you were trying to go with it.

Ok, on to me addressing the negativity to you and not the kid. I said anyone can post, but they have the right to be upset when they see fans talking negativity. What's the difference in the kid or other posters not agreeing with your negativity, and you not liking people saying something positive? There is no difference, but you have your view and if someone says different you don't think it's right, it's not telling the truth to you. Just like you see no hope in your defense, someone else can see hope.

And of course I noticed how you didn't address the nobody has talked about anyone by name except kid with fumbles, when you talk about a position you are talking about them without saying their name.

Whether they win a championship or not, nobody will every year, they are 5-2 this season. Amherst was talked about pre season as a contender, Dinwiddie was the favorite, Blacksburg is 3a defending champion, and if I remember right, PH played Salem (champions last year) closely. They also lost to Amherst last year while winning a championship.

They beat Amherst and Patrick Henry, whether they gave up lots of yards and points, they won the games, sometimes you have to outscore teams. Look at the overwhelming super bowl favorites Patriots. They actually are a lot like Salem, were supposed to go undefeated with a lot of talent and what was supposed to be a great secondary.

Dinwiddie- undefeated, lost by 5
Blacksburg- lost to a state championship contender, lost by a lot
Patrick Henry- 2 loses before Salem to 2 championship contenders (Brookville and Blacksburg)
Amherst- loses to Blacksburg and JF, where it looked like even their fans said Amherst beat themselves.

It looks like to me that Blacksburg is GOOD. And Dinwiddie is GOOD
 

1MoreHokie

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Dude, grasp this: I'm not running to the school, finding whatever random player this is, and screaming about this in his face. I'm on a FAN message board, he is the one going out of his way to come to a place where FANS congregate and talk. I'm not censoring myself because players might read this board and you and anyone else that has a problem with that need to get over it. If someone was talking about my work on a place made to talk about such things and I didn't like what they were saying do you know what I'd do? I WOULDN'T GO TO THAT PLACE AND READ IT.

Also, you need to stop addressing this like I'm the one complaining. I have not called anyone who has hope in the D in a fool or a moron and I certainly haven't run to other people on here and complained about them for doing so. I don't care that someone disagrees with me because, again, I don't need to surround myself in the echo chamber of "Salem is infallible and great all hail mighty Salem".

Your schedule logic is bizarre at best. Preseason contenders? Playing a team close last year? What do the thoughts of random fans and how things went down 12 months ago with different players affect anything today? Salem beat Blacksburg by 36 points last year, what's up with that? Salem beat Dinwiddie and didn't turn the ball over last year, what's up with that? Amherst beat Salem last year, why didn't they just do it again this year?

Amherst is a decent team but will probably lose 4-5 games depending on whether they qualify for the POs and PH's 3 wins currently combine for like 3 wins between them. I don't consider either of those to be "quality wins". Salem has played two true-blue PO teams and lost both games, that's exactly why I think the 3rd round of the POs is where their trip ends.
 
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Being a Salem fan is both a blessing and a curse. A blessing because of the success, the facilities, the coaching staff, and the fan support. A curse because Salem fans have seen the best 4a has to offer over the years and each Salem team is measured to that standard. Salem is measured by only one metric, Are they good enough to win a State Championship? This is a tough standard, maybe a little unfair, but it is what it is.
 
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1MoreHokie

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Being a Salem fan is both a blessing and a curse. A blessing because of the success, the facilities, the coaching staff, and the fan support. A curse because Salem fans have seen the best 4a has to offer over the years and each Salem team is measured to that standard. Salem is measured by only one metric, Are they good enough to win a State Championship? This is a tough standard, maybe a little unfair, but it is what it is.

Like I didn't predict them to be bad. I said 10-3. 2-1 in the POs. Two games short of a 3 peat. It's not remotely bad. This year, barring unforeseen circumstances, will be seen as a down year because of what preceded it but it's still 10-3. I'm just saying the D isn't good and I don't think that's going to change in week 8 and people can't handle it.

PH scored 6 TDs as such:

33 yard run
42 yard run
43 yard pass
69 yard pass
71 yard pass
78 yard pass

I will virtually guarantee you Salem's never had a game in the White/Mags-era where they've given up that much yardage on TDs. At what point is it OK to start saying they're not the D of recent years? I didn't say "screw them, I'm done going to games", I said "that's bad play and I don't see it improving". We tackle poorly, we cover screens poorly, we cover the PA poorly, we don't get pressure on the QB, we have an astoundingly low number of sacks and TFL, we're not producing TOs. I'm not mad at them, if that's all they can give then so be it but I'm not going to lie and tell you they're playing fine or that the 3-peat is en route. They have serious issues across the board at every position and when they play teams who are good on offense they consistently struggle and I think it will be what costs them when it matters most.
 

Gunz41!

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Dude, grasp this: I'm not running to the school, finding whatever random player this is, and screaming about this in his face. I'm on a FAN message board, he is the one going out of his way to come to a place where FANS congregate and talk. I'm not censoring myself because players might read this board and you and anyone else that has a problem with that need to get over it. If someone was talking about my work on a place made to talk about such things and I didn't like what they were saying do you know what I'd do? I WOULDN'T GO TO THAT PLACE AND READ IT.

Also, you need to stop addressing this like I'm the one complaining. I have not called anyone who has hope in the D in a fool or a moron and I certainly haven't run to other people on here and complained about them for doing so. I don't care that someone disagrees with me because, again, I don't need to surround myself in the echo chamber of "Salem is infallible and great all hail mighty Salem".

Your schedule logic is bizarre at best. Preseason contenders? Playing a team close last year? What do the thoughts of random fans and how things went down 12 months ago with different players affect anything today? Salem beat Blacksburg by 36 points last year, what's up with that? Salem beat Dinwiddie and didn't turn the ball over last year, what's up with that? Amherst beat Salem last year, why didn't they just do it again this year?

Amherst is a decent team but will probably lose 4-5 games depending on whether they qualify for the POs and PH's 3 wins currently combine for like 3 wins between them. I don't consider either of those to be "quality wins". Salem has played two true-blue PO teams and lost both games, that's exactly why I think the 3rd round of the POs is where their trip ends.

Ahh I understand now, whoever this was isn't allowed on here, he's not a fan. Ok cool.

And I'm not wasting my time going back and looking it up, but you said something like you were the only one that would tell the truth about the team. That means the others weren't, but let's not get into logistics of it.

The point of the schedule was to say that they weren't bad teams, PH played close with them last year when they won, so they aren't bad. Amherst was a preseason favorite, so in the first game this year that was a decent win.

BUT, the thing I have a problem with is the way you want to make yourself look better, I didn't say screw them, I'm done. No you said they need to to get about this year and think about next year. Exactly how is that encouraging to them?
 
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Ahh I understand now, whoever this was isn't allowed on here, he's not a fan. Ok cool.

That's exactly the point, you just don't want to believe it because it won't fit your narrative. I'm not going to censor myself because a player might read the boards. He makes the choice to come here and read fan opinions, he can deal with the consequences, however infinitely minor they may be. Nobody is forcing him to read the boards, he makes the choice and he can deal with the results. Christ almighty, even Mike said they shouldn't be reading the board, but I doubt you bothered to actually absorb that info when you skimmed by it looking for something to disagree with further down.

Feel free to contact the people who run the board if you or anyone else here has a problem with my opinions. If you want an echo chamber, stick to some lame social media like Facebook.
 

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That's exactly the point, you just don't want to believe it because it won't fit your narrative. I'm not going to censor myself because a player might read the boards. He makes the choice to come here and read fan opinions, he can deal with the consequences, however infinitely minor they may be.

Feel free to contact the people who run the board if you or anyone else here has a problem with my opinions. If you want an echo chamber, stick to some lame social media like Facebook.

You obviously are missing my point. I dont have a problem with your opinions, I have a problem with your objection to someone's response to your opinions. They (whether a fan or player has a right to be on here, and they have a right to have their opinion about it).

Someone can have an opinion that Salem is peaking at the right time. It's their opinion, and when you turn around and say you are the only one who will tell the truth, it's saying they are lying and their opinion is wrong, and not to believe them because they are lying.

And whether you are completely right about the team or not, any fan or coach or player has every right to question you and how you feel about the team when you say they need to forget about this year and worry about next year.

And in MY opinion, it makes it look worse when you when you try to justify the things you are saying by splitting hairs. Whether it be that a player besides one hasn't been named (when saying a position is just omitting a name, since there are only 11 starters) or saying I didn't say I hate them and never coming back, when you just basically said they should give up there quest to win.

Like I have said many times, I have no problem with your opinion, I dont care if Salem wins or not, but the way you are talking is what I take issue with. The way it comes off is that your opinion is the only one that counts/matters and that you have more of a right to be here and say whatever you want than someone else
 
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You're just needlessly complicating things to fit your narrative: you're saying they can disagree with my opinion but I can't thereafter disagree with them on their disagreement with me when the reality is I can. I never once said they don't get to disagree with me and I defy you to post where I did.

That player can read here all they want and they can disagree with me all they want and I still have the right to disagree with them for disagreeing with me. They don't get to go "I disagree you're wrong" and the discussion ends. I said if he can't handle people not thinking and speaking the way he thinks they do and if that bothers him then he needs to stop reading the boards because neither he nor you nor anyone else that isn't the board owner is in a place to tell me or anyone else what to say or think. If you put your hand on the stove and it burns you, you're more than free to stick your hand back on it a second time but you should probably just stay away so it doesn't burn you again.

I'll spell it out for him and you: I don't care that players read this board. I'm not going to treat one group of people special over others.
 

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You're just needlessly complicating things to fit your narrative: you're saying they can disagree with my opinion but I can't thereafter disagree with them on their disagreement with me when the reality is I can. I never once said they don't get to disagree with me and I defy you to post where I did.

That player can read here all they want and they can disagree with me all they want and I still have the right to disagree with them for disagreeing with me. They don't get to go "I disagree you're wrong" and the discussion ends. I said if he can't handle people not thinking and speaking the way he thinks they do and if that bothers him then he needs to stop reading the boards because neither he nor you nor anyone else that isn't the board owner is in a place to tell me or anyone else what to say or think. If you put your hand on the stove and it burns you, you're more than free to stick your hand back on it a second time but you should probably just stay away so it doesn't burn you again.

I'll spell it out for him and you: I don't care that players read this board. I'm not going to treat one group of people special over others.

I am SO confused with the disagree to disagree to disagree to disagree.

If i decipher that correctly, then yes everyone can continue to disagree endlessly. But there is a difference in disagreeing and saying you are the only one who will tell it like it is. That is simply an observation and opinion. Just like this, Jefferson Forest beat Amherst, but Amherst is better. There is no way to definitively prove that, all we can say is Jefferson Forest won a game. All else is speculation, observation, and opinion.

And as to what I said, I have an issue with your objection to someone's response. It has nothing to do with disagreeing with someone disagreeing. If you object to someone disagreeing, that to ME is saying your view is more valuable.

The thing that really gets me, is that I have been in these boards a LONG time, and until a few weeks ago, I really enjoyed your posts and had no issue with them. It's like someone took over your account and that person is just miserable being a Salem fan.

Just observations from me. I am not upset, you go ahead and keep whatever attitude you like. Hopefully for your and every Salem fans sake they can prove you wrong. God bless
 

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The thing that really gets me, is that I have been in these boards a LONG time, and until a few weeks ago, I really enjoyed your posts and had no issue with them. It's like someone took over your account and that person is just miserable being a Salem fan.

I'm not remotely miserable, it's sad that's what you get from my posts. I'm just not going to pretend Salem doesn't have issues, major issues, which will prevent them from maxing their potential and at least playing for the West again. Every week for the past like 3 weeks people have been asking when it's going to be fixed or even saying some old platitude about "Salem always fixes it" even though that's inherently false and Salem absolutely has had stinker PO runs. I think we lost the heart of the D, some talented players left or aren't playing D, and what we're left with is no leadership and a lack of overall ability. The lack of leadership period is very obvious and I think a lot of skill position talent is allowing them to coast in a lot of these games and when they can't they struggle.

It's week 8 and I simply accept the team for what it is. I don't see the D improving in enough of a way that if they played Blacksburg again the ultimate result would change and I question how they'd do against several other teams in the West.

My preseason prediction for Salem was to win the West and lose to Dinwiddie twice. The way I said they'd finish after the Blacksburg game was 10-3, a whole one game change. If I was unrealistic I would probably hope the light bulb came on for the D because I would probably still be thinking a 3 peat is going to happen. But I think being that kind of a fan isn't fun and leaves you disappointed more often than not. I have a realistic bar for expectations for this team and even left two games in for them to exceed my expectations.

I think the offense has the capability to play for state. I do not think the same of the defense and as many teams have proven countless times, you need both to win it all.