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Originally posted by Deeeefense:


Originally posted by bigblueinsanity:

The big problem with the GOP candidates are always the primary. Any candidate that could win the general, takes serious lumps in the primary by having to say things that will hurt them in the general just to survive the primary. Those things really turn off a lot of moderate voters.
Exactly. That's what happened to moderate Mitt in 2011. Going in, he had a very strong resume, reasonable positions on most of the issue and had broad appeal, but he had to kowtow to the far right to win the primary which alienated a lot of the middle/independent types, and subsequently lost enough of them to lose. It's nearly a no-win scenario. Until the Republicans divest themselves of the nut cases like Ted Cruz the problem will continue.









This post was edited on 2/2 2:37 PM by Deeeefense
Actually, what helped him lose the election was in big part due to the left media. Obama does not win without the constant love and almost completely one sided slant put on by the left leaning media including, some of the moderating in the debates.
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Weren't top income rates at over 70% when Reagan took office? What did he raise those to?
 

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Originally posted by BlueManToo:
The last time the GOP offered a truly conservative candidate for POTUS (Reagan), he won in a landslide --- TWICE!

I doubt the current demographics would result in another landslide victory for a conservative, but if a true conservative who can cogently articulate a conservative message somehow gets the GOP nomination, I can promise that the Republican voters who stayed at home for Romney in 2012 will come out in force in 2016. The nation is basically 50%-50% (as far as actual voters go), so a slight uptick in the conservative vote would win the White House.

If the GOP nominates Bush, Romney, Christy, or any other establishment-type, I WILL NOT VOTE FOR POTUS IN 2016....I'm tired of helping to give the Repubs landslide victories in the congressional races in 2010 and 2014, only to have the establishment turn right back around and give me (and other conservatives) the middle finger after they are sworn in to office.
This is probably closest to the truth of the matter. There are a lot of conservatives who stayed out of the election due to the fact that Romney is not as conservative as some on here paint him to be. There a lot more conservatives in this country than some a willing to admit.
 

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Originally posted by Catfan in Tn.:
Interesting that Deeefense thinks that a Conservative Republican, the first Hispanic Senator from Texas, is a nut case and that the Party needs to divest themselves from him.
So what are you saying, becasue he's Hispanic he can't be whacky?

This is the guy that lead the charge to shut down the government that cost the taxpayers $25 billion and accomplished nothing, just to make a name for himself. He's a pompous ideologue and a moderan day McCarthy and isn't even well liked by fellow Senate Republicans.
 

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Originally posted by Deeeefense:

Originally posted by Catfan in Tn.:
Interesting that Deeefense thinks that a Conservative Republican, the first Hispanic Senator from Texas, is a nut case and that the Party needs to divest themselves from him.
So what are you saying, becasue he's Hispanic he can't be whacky?

This is the guy that lead the charge to shut down the government that cost the taxpayers $25 billion and accomplished nothing, just to make a name for himself. He's a pompous ideologue and a moderan day McCarthy and isn't even well liked by fellow Senate Republicans.
The Dems are the reason the government shut down. He only stood his ground. Funny how things are remembered.
 

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Originally posted by warrior-cat:
Actually what helped him lose the election was in big part due to the left media. Obama does not win without the constant love and almost completely one sided slant put on by the left leaning media. Including some of the moderating in the debates.
Blaming election results on the media is pretty lame. It's your side that constantly reminds us that Fox News has a larger viewership then the other cable news stations combined, and it's no secreat that right wing talk radio dominates. I don't think any of those sources were pimping Obama.
 

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Originally posted by warrior-cat:

The Dems are the reason the government shut down. He only stood his ground. Funny how things are remembered.
That's like saying the journalist that was beheaded wasn't ISIL's fault, but rather the US government's for not paying the ransom.

The loons like Cruz threatened to shut down the government if we extended the debit limit to pay the bills. If you understood a thing or two about economics you would know how devastating that would be to the economy. It was grandstanding to make a big name for himself to people too stupid to know how dangerous he is. Fortunately there were enough sane Republicans in the Senate that stopped him.



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Elizabeth Warren wanted a shutdown in December. Word of the day in honor of deeee popping up is "disingenuous".

And is he saying Fox gets enough viewers to cancel out all the other media outlets?
 

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Originally posted by Deeeefense:

Originally posted by warrior-cat:

Actually what helped him lose the election was in big part due to the left media. Obama does not win without the constant love and almost completely one sided slant put on by the left leaning media. Including some of the moderating in the debates.
Blaming election results on the media is pretty lame. It's your side that constantly reminds us that Fox News has a larger viewership then the other cable news stations combined, and it's no secreat that right wing talk radio dominates. I don't think any of those sources were pimping Obama.
You are wrong here. There is only one that slants right and then the rest slant left and the ones moderating were left leaning. Also, for you to say none were pimping Obama shows either you really can't see it because you are easily led or, you agree with that type of favoritism as long as the agenda you agree with is met.
 

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Re: Political Thread: Closing Guantanamo?

Originally posted by Deeeefense:

Originally posted by warrior-cat:

The Dems are the reason the government shut down. He only stood his ground. Funny how things are remembered.
That's like saying the journalist that was beheaded wasn't ISIL's fault, but rather the US government's for not paying the ransom.

The loons like Cruz threatened to shut down the government if we extended the debit limit to pay the bills. If you understood a thing or two about economics you would know how devastating that would be to the economy. It was grandstanding to make a big name for himself to people too stupid to know how dangerous he is. Fortunately there were enough sane Republicans in the Senate that stopped him.




This post was edited on 2/2 2:37 PM by Deeeefense
Keep getting your news from MSNBC and the looney left if you wish. Those sane Republicans you talk about merely realized that this was a no win situation and that Obama and the Dems did not care what happened as long as they were "seen" the ones not wanting this. It was the Obama administration who come up with the sequestration idea to begin with.

Ahh....blissful selective memory.
 

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I wish one Liberal would say just how much the rich should pay in taxes. How much do you think is their fair share of taxes? What % of their earned money should the government take? 50,60,70,80,90? Come on Dee, man up here.
 

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Cruz, Lee, and Paul are the only senate Repubs of note who have demonstrated even a modicum of pushback against the Libs agenda. Our wise founders designed our government to be adversarial --- the notion of 'working together' is foolishness the Libs use to forward the Leftist agenda. I don't want bi-partisan support for comprehensive laws that affect every citizen because history has proven that, in general, the more laws the government passes, the more freedoms we lose. I personally love government gridlock because that means that Congress isn't passing another mandate that gnaws away at my personal liberty. Our government is $18 trillion in dept, not to mention on the hook for an estimated $100 trillion in unfunded liabilities, and yet, nearly half the voting population apparently believes that a government that cannot manage itself is somehow capable of effectively managing our healthcare, retirement, etc.....the idiocy of such blind faith and reliance on the Feds to solve the problems of the citizenry is both infuriating and mind numbing.

The 'sane' senate Republicans some have referred to are the likes of McConnell, Graham, and McCain (ie: spineless, Dem-Lite Republicans) who have made no effort to even slow the Obama administration's lawlessness despite a clear mandate from the voters in the 2010 and 2014 midterms to do so. Instead, they had rather cut the legs out from under Cruz (and others who actually listen to their constituents) instead of showing some solidarity and backbone. If a Dem had pulled a similar move, every Dem senator would have backed him/her 110% until the GOP caved.

I applaud Cruz for at least trying to take a stand while all of the other Republican 'leaders' were busy caving in to the Regime and eating their own. Based upon the 2014 midterm results, it's pretty clear that Cruz's stand didn't result in any 'doomsday' voter backlash scenarios for the Republicans. Conservatives are yearning for someone -- anyone -- to grow a set and become a leader. How long we have to wait remains to be seen.
 

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This notion that, "government isn't about compromise" is the greatest threat to our country.
 

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The terrible historical notion of "purity". Used to justify a multitude of horrific notions and actions. For demagogues, it's the delusion that compromise with a different belief system corrupts your principles and weakens your argument.
 

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Originally posted by warrior-cat:

Originally posted by Deeeefense:


Originally posted by bigblueinsanity:

The big problem with the GOP candidates are always the primary. Any candidate that could win the general, takes serious lumps in the primary by having to say things that will hurt them in the general just to survive the primary. Those things really turn off a lot of moderate voters.
Exactly. That's what happened to moderate Mitt in 2011. Going in, he had a very strong resume, reasonable positions on most of the issue and had broad appeal, but he had to kowtow to the far right to win the primary which alienated a lot of the middle/independent types, and subsequently lost enough of them to lose. It's nearly a no-win scenario. Until the Republicans divest themselves of the nut cases like Ted Cruz the problem will continue.









This post was edited on 2/2 2:37 PM by Deeeefense
Actually, what helped him lose the election was in big part due to the left media. Obama does not win without the constant love and almost completely one sided slant put on by the left leaning media including, some of the moderating in the debates.

This post was edited on 2/2 4:23 PM by warrior-cat
The Candy effing Crowley "here's-your-CYA-transcript-beloved-leader" incident was so blatantly rehearsed, it was ridiculous. But BO's lemmings ate it up... and Mitt basically took his foot off the gas after that, unfortunately.
 

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Originally posted by warrior-cat:

Originally posted by Deeeefense:


Originally posted by bigblueinsanity:

The big problem with the GOP candidates are always the primary. Any candidate that could win the general, takes serious lumps in the primary by having to say things that will hurt them in the general just to survive the primary. Those things really turn off a lot of moderate voters.
Exactly. That's what happened to moderate Mitt in 2011. Going in, he had a very strong resume, reasonable positions on most of the issue and had broad appeal, but he had to kowtow to the far right to win the primary which alienated a lot of the middle/independent types, and subsequently lost enough of them to lose. It's nearly a no-win scenario. Until the Republicans divest themselves of the nut cases like Ted Cruz the problem will continue.









This post was edited on 2/2 2:37 PM by Deeeefense
Actually, what helped him lose the election was in big part due to the left media. Obama does not win without the constant love and almost completely one sided slant put on by the left leaning media including, some of the moderating in the debates.

This post was edited on 2/2 4:23 PM by warrior-cat
The Candy effing Crowley "here's-your-CYA-transcript-Dearest-Beloved-Leader" incident was obviously a set-up. But BO's lemmings gobbled up the propaganda... and Mitt basically took his foot off the gas after that, unfortunately.
 
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Originally posted by HeismanCatNole85:
What were your guys thoughts on the #LikeAGirl campaign commercials? That along with the multiple female political dramas are laying the groundwork and getting the brainwashing started early for next year.
I care too much about crap like this for some reason. I thought it was ridiculous and can't believe people fall for this crap.

They completely misunderstand the insult "throws/runs/fights like a girl". It's not an insult against girls. Little boys are perceptive enough to know that the majority of girls do things differently than boys. We never made fun of girls for "throwing like a girl", nor did we make fun of girls for throwing like a boy. However, we did make fun of boys for throwing like a girl, and that's the insult. We make fun of boys for being effeminate - which is what boys aren't supposed to be.The girls in the commercial still threw and punched in a stereotypical girl fashion. They should have cleaned that up.The assumption that women lose confidence at puberty is caused by sayings like "like a girl" is insulting. From what I can gather, teenage girls lose more confidence due to other teenage girls as opposed to anything boys do. My 6 year old daughter - who I would do anything to have be interested in sports - watched the commercial and didn't get it or care to get it. She then went downstairs and put on a princess dress. Trust me - society is not pushing her to be a girly girl. She was born that way.Most importantly - I'm willing to bet that less than 1% of the hashtag heroes who loved "like a girl" took their daughter outside yesterday to teach her the proper fundamentals of throwing/running/fighting.
 

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Originally posted by WayneDougan:


Originally posted by HeismanCatNole85:
What were your guys thoughts on the #LikeAGirl campaign commercials? That along with the multiple female political dramas are laying the groundwork and getting the brainwashing started early for next year.
I care too much about crap like this for some reason. I thought it was ridiculous and can't believe people fall for this crap.



They completely misunderstand the insult "throws/runs/fights like a girl". It's not an insult against girls. Little boys are perceptive enough to know that the majority of girls do things differently than boys. We never made fun of girls for "throwing like a girl", nor did we make fun of girls for throwing like a boy. However, we did make fun of boys for throwing like a girl, and that's the insult. We make fun of boys for being effeminate - which is what boys aren't supposed to be.
The girls in the commercial still threw and punched in a stereotypical girl fashion. They should have cleaned that up.
The assumption that women lose confidence at puberty is caused by sayings like "like a girl" is insulting. From what I can gather, teenage girls lose more confidence due to other teenage girls as opposed to anything boys do.
My 6 year old daughter - who I would do anything to have be interested in sports - watched the commercial and didn't get it or care to get it. She then went downstairs and put on a princess dress. Trust me - society is not pushing her to be a girly girl. She was born that way.
Most importantly - I'm willing to bet that less than 1% of the hashtag heroes who loved "like a girl" took their daughter outside yesterday to teach her the proper fundamentals of throwing/running/fighting.
This^^^^^ Especially the "hashtag heroes" part.

Also, it was noticeable that while they ran an ad that says we shouldn't use phrases like "throws like a girl" because it is perceived in a negative way, they featured a T-Mobile ad with Sarah Silverman saying "Sorry, it's a boy" as she hands a newborn to the mother.

Maybe I was reading too much into it... but the line of dialogue was completely unnecessary. I'm certain they wouldn't have shown the ad with "sorry, it's a girl" or used a non-white family in that situation.
 

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Originally posted by EastKYWildcat:
This notion that, "government isn't about compromise" is the greatest threat to our country.
'Compromise' over the past 50 or so years has gotten us an $18 trillion dollar debt; $100 trillion in unfunded liabilities; a Social Security system that is estimated to be insolvent by 2020; a socialized healthcare system that is already proving to be unaffordable, unworkable, and ineffective; a porous border that both parties are seemingly OK with; a foreign policy that Neville Chamberlain would be proud of, a stagnant economy that boasts 93 million able-bodied citizens not working; and 2 political parties that, for all intents-and-purposes, are mirror images of one another on issues of major concern.

Yep....looks like 'compromise' and the 'pale pastels' of political ambiguity are working out really swell :-/



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Originally posted by KyFaninNC:
I wish one Liberal would say just how much the rich should pay in taxes. How much do you think is their fair share of taxes? What % of their earned money should the government take? 50,60,70,80,90? Come on Dee, man up here.
I'm in the top brackett KyFanin, and yea I pay a butt load of money to the Feds. I wouldn't mind it so much if everyone else making what I make and above paid the same, but when I see hedge fund managers paying 13% and General Electric paying zero I do feel like I'm getting screwed (as well as everyone else).

We don't need to raise the personal income tax rates on my group or anyone else. What we really need is a complete overhaul of the tax code and with the goals of simplification and fairness being the top driving priorities. If we could do away with all the loopholes and exclusions the vast majority would pay less taxes while revenue would increase and allow the deficit to be further reduced.




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Would LOVE to see Defense's tax return.

Would also love for him to tell me what hedge fund managers he sees paying 13%.


And would also like for him to explain how he'd like to start taxing GE. Not allow them to use their losses to offset profits? Tax all worldwide income from any affiliates as if earned in the US?

That'd be a nice way to ensure future investment in the US.
 

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DID YOU KNOW WARREN BUFFETS PLAYED WIDE RECEIRVE IN HIGH SCHOOL WEAR HE PAID LESS TAXES THAN HIS SECRETARY BEFORE PLAYING FOR WILDCAT?

Pretty cool factoid that we learned Deee makes $413,201 or more filing singly or $464,851 or more filing jointly, btw.
 

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If Defense can post page 1 and 2 of his tax return, and he's in the highest marginal bracket BEFORE deductions (I'll even give him that), I will never post on Catspause again. I will forever stop pointing out his mind numbing ignorance of all topics he posts on.
 

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Originally posted by Rex Kwon Do:


Pretty cool factoid that we learned Deee makes $413,201 or more filing singly or $464,851 or more filing jointly, btw.
This is actually something I try to blot out of my mind, but I rechecked it after reading your post and actually I did fall down to the the 3rd rung from the top now - 33%
Wow I feel so much better now - thank you Rex
 

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Originally posted by Deeeefense:
Originally posted by KyFaninNC:
I wish one Liberal would say just how much the rich should pay in taxes. How much do you think is their fair share of taxes? What % of their earned money should the government take? 50,60,70,80,90? Come on Dee, man up here.
I'm in the top brackett KyFanin, and yea I pay a butt load of money to the Feds. I wouldn't mind it so much if everyone else making what I make and above paid the same, but when I see hedge fund managers paying 13% and General Electric paying zero I do feel like I'm getting screwed (as well as everyone else).

We don't need to raise the personal income tax rates on my group or anyone else. What we really need is a complete overhaul of the tax code and with the goals of simplification and fairness being the top driving priorities. If we could do away with all the loopholes and exclusions the vast majority would pay less taxes while revenue would increase and allow the deficit to be further reduced.




This post was edited on 2/3 11:07 AM by Deeeefense
So why don't Obama rally congress to do this instead of:

Give every student 2 years of college for free= tax the rich more

Infrastructure= tax the rich more

More child credits=tax the rich more

More defense spending=tax the rich more
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BTW, I am no where near the top brackett. How about a flat tax, so everyone has skin in the game
 

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Originally posted by KyFaninNC:

So why don't Obama rally congress to do this instead of:

Give every student 2 years of college for free= tax the rich more

Infrastructure= tax the rich more

More child credits=tax the rich more

More defense spending=tax the rich more
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BTW, I am no where near the top brackett. How about a flat tax, so everyone has skin in the game
I agree with you. I don't support the president's latest pitch. The "free" college idea would be better by using something like the Australians system. You get your tuition and books paid up front to go to college 2 or 4 year and then you pay the government back over your life by a small tax like 1%. That way the person that gets the benefits pays for it instead of someone else. Also people that have children should plan for them and not depend on government programs. If they can't afford them don't have them. The defense department needs to be streamlined to serve the threats we face today, not the cold war that ended 25 years ago.

I would rather see both sides come together on a massive infrastructure bill that could be paid for by eliminating loop holes. That would boast the economy and provide a very needed service to everyone.

A flat tax is something that should be on the table. I still think the tax should be progressive. I don't mind paying more becasue I can afford it, I just don't want the government choosing winners and losers like they do now.
 
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Originally posted by BlueManToo:

Originally posted by EastKYWildcat:
This notion that, "government isn't about compromise" is the greatest threat to our country.
'Compromise' over the past 50 or so years has gotten us an $18 trillion dollar debt; $100 trillion in unfunded liabilities; a Social Security system that is estimated to be insolvent by 2020; a socialized healthcare system that is already proving to be unaffordable, unworkable, and ineffective; a porous border that both parties are seemingly OK with; a foreign policy that Neville Chamberlain would be proud of, a stagnant economy that boasts 93 million able-bodied citizens not working; and 2 political parties that, for all intents-and-purposes, are mirror images of one another on issues of major concern.

Yep....looks like 'compromise' and the 'pale pastels' of political ambiguity are working out really swell :-/



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That's because we've been sold on a modified definition of compromise.

Politician A: I want 3 million dollars for my new project.
Politician B: I wont agree to more than 1 million.

True compromise would be agreeing on some figure between 1 and 3, preferably 2. Instead, we get:

Politician A: If youll agree to 3 million; Ill make sure you get 3 million for some pet project in your district. And Ill make sure to do the same for every one we need in order for this bill to pass.

That's not compromise. And its the cause for all the ridiculous pork in every single bill; and a large part of what has us in this mess.
 

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Especially Obama - he is so full of himself. He doesn't care anything about this country - it is all about Obama - can't stand to watch him because he tells more lies and then denies that he even said those lies. IMO he is a Muslim and that is why he can't say 'terrorists', because he is one of them. Check out his ancestory and you will see that he is. All Muslims are not terrorists but all terrorists are Muslims.
 

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It's as if the $1t stimulus and tax increases of 2012 did not happen in deeees mind. Is loss of memory about past events and positions an unfortunate side effect of being a wealthy future-teller?
 

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I love Scott Walker. He has won 3 elections the last 4 years and stood up against the unions. We need to have a governor in the WH - no senator again. They have never run anything and don't know what the hell they are doing especially someone like Obama who didn't even have experience as a senator.
 

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Originally posted by warrior-cat:

This is probably closest to the truth of the matter. There are a lot of conservatives who stayed out of the election due to the fact that Romney is not as conservative as some on here paint him to be. There a lot more conservatives in this country than some a willing to admit.
I'm going to respectfully call BS on this.

And seriously, if you are going to get all revisionist with regards to what helped win the election for Obama (not that he didn't need any help - was going to win it all along - easily - like I told you all for months on end), you forgot to mention this awesome liberal developed story:



But seriously, I hope you all stay super cute until election time 2016 and have an epic meltdown when Hillary wins it. Reading all those comments on here after Obama's landslide victory was awesome. You can't put it into words the amount of butthurt on here...

BTW...Hillary is a terrible candidate, but will gladly vote for her over any of the rejects currently being talked about on the Right.
 

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Your candidate, Hillary is going to get grilled over Benghazi. By the way, what has she done to be elected president - senator of NY - nothing whoopi do! What did she do there. Secretary of State - nothing that was worth a crap. The Dems will nominate anyone who is a lefty - which she is.

I am done with the Clintons and Bushes - Ready for a fresh new face - that person is Scott Walker.
 

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KSR was at kykinnect today and MJ said he did not know until just before they went on air that there were fines if you went uninsured. Like Gruber said they designed the plan for stupid and detached voters, fines and taxes getting incrementally higher over time.
 

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Originally posted by qwesley:
KSR was at kykinnect today and MJ said he did not know until just before they went on air that there were fines if you went uninsured. Like Gruber said they designed the plan for stupid and detached voters, fines and taxes getting incrementally higher over time.
Just like the Iraq war...

One LIE forces people to buy health insurance so that our society addresses the costs of healthcare. The enforcement of this law is a tax on that segment of society.

The other LIE caused us to waste over a trillion dollars, kill almost 5,000 troops, permanently injure 25,000 troops, kill hundreds of thousands of Iraqis, and made us less safe.


Yup, gov't lies. Thanks for pointing that out Sherlock.
 

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Originally posted by Deeeefense:
I would rather see both sides come together on a massive infrastructure bill
I thought we di.....you know what, ne'er mind.

I caught a few minutes of SNL's "best of the 90's" a few weeks ago, it's on every so often. Obv politics of the lefty variety is important to them, whatever. They talked about the Clinton/GHWB race of course and there was a Weekend Update segment where they discussed Clinton's plans for infrastructure, the middle class, blarghhhhh.

I think we could drop a trillion dollars a year for the next two decades and people like you on the left would still clamor for infrastructure, middle class, tax the rich, health care, environment, blacks, gays, seniors, (insert dividable class here), transgenders, Halliburton, Cheney, oil, windmills, buzzword, climate warming, blargh, kids, education, blargh.

It isn't ever going to be enough. Y'all have your talking points and narratives, it will not ever change.
 

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The lie that the WH, MSM and Obama continue to tell --

The Big Lie: 5.6% Unemployment





by Jim Clifton











Here's something that many Americans -- including some of the smartest and most educated among us -- don't know: The official unemployment rate, as reported by the U.S. Department of Labor, is extremely misleading.

Right now, we're hearing much celebrating from the media, the White House and Wall Street about how unemployment is "down" to 5.6%. The cheerleading for this number is deafening. The media loves a comeback story, the White House wants to score political points and Wall Street would like you to stay in the market.

None of them will tell you this: If you, a family member or anyone is unemployed and has subsequently given up on finding a job -- if you are so hopelessly out of work that you've stopped looking over the past four weeks -- the Department of Labor doesn't count you as unemployed. That's right. While you are as unemployed as one can possibly be, and tragically may never find work again, you are not counted in the figure we see relentlessly in the news -- currently 5.6%. Right now, as many as 30 million Americans are either out of work or severely underemployed. Trust me, the vast majority of them aren't throwing parties to toast "falling" unemployment.

There's another reason why the official rate is misleading. Say you're an out-of-work engineer or healthcare worker or construction worker or retail manager: If you perform a minimum of one hour of work in a week and are paid at least $20 -- maybe someone pays you to mow their lawn -- you're not officially counted as unemployed in the much-reported 5.6%. Few Americans know this.

Yet another figure of importance that doesn't get much press: those working part time but wanting full-time work. If you have a degree in chemistry or math and are working 10 hours part time because it is all you can find -- in other words, you are severely underemployed -- the government doesn't count you in the 5.6%. Few Americans know this.

There's no other way to say this. The official unemployment rate, which cruelly overlooks the suffering of the long-term and often permanently unemployed as well as the depressingly underemployed, amounts to a Big Lie.

And it's a lie that has consequences, because the great American dream is to have a good job, and in recent years, America has failed to deliver that dream more than it has at any time in recent memory. A good job is an individual's primary identity, their very self-worth, their dignity -- it establishes the relationship they have with their friends, community and country. When we fail to deliver a good job that fits a citizen's talents, training and experience, we are failing the great American dream.

Gallup defines a good job as 30+ hours per week for an organization that provides a regular paycheck. Right now, the U.S. is delivering at a staggeringly low rate of 44%, which is the number of full-time jobs as a percent of the adult population, 18 years and older. We need that to be 50% and a bare minimum of 10 million new, good jobs to replenish America's middle class.

I hear all the time that "unemployment is greatly reduced, but the people aren't feeling it." When the media, talking heads, the White House and Wall Street start reporting the truth -- the percent of Americans in good jobs; jobs that are full time and real -- then we will quit wondering why Americans aren't "feeling" something that doesn't remotely reflect the reality in their lives. And we will also quit wondering what hollowed out the middle class.
 

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Originally posted by CATS1945:
The lie that the WH, MSM and Obama continue to tell --

The Big Lie: 5.6% Unemployment

Why does the administration have to lie about unemployment? Obama won the last election in a landslide with over 8% unemployment. If they were going to LIE about anything, the administration would have done it then,
 

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Double post...sorry
This post was edited on 2/3 1:49 PM by AlbanyWildCat
 

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Triple post...sorry
This post was edited on 2/3 1:48 PM by AlbanyWildCat
 
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Originally posted by CATS1945:
Your candidate, Hillary is going to get grilled over Benghazi. By the way, what has she done to be elected president - senator of NY - nothing whoopi do! What did she do there. Secretary of State - nothing that was worth a crap. The Dems will nominate anyone who is a lefty - which she is.

I am done with the Clintons and Bushes - Ready for a fresh new face - that person is Scott Walker.
Correction: she SHOULD get absolutely skewered with Benghazi questions. But she wont.

However had it been a GOP candidate in charge of that debacle and subsequent attempted coverup - theyd be unelectable for the next 500 years.
 
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