Thanks and true. But it also indirectly says this puts UK FB at a permanent disadvantage in resources allocation and perceptions. Stating what I think is obvious, I love FB first - 41 years season ticket holder - & wish resources were allocated more towards it. Sad for me that our FB is always fighting an uphill battle even internally.
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No i just didn't do well enough explaining the connection. Despite that horrible play, that team had a great year by UK standards. UK fans remember that as a year led by Lorenzen, but it was actually Artose Pinner and the run game that drove that offense. Lorenzen had way fewer pass attempts and many were play action.
We weren't bowl eligible because of probation, but we had a very good season because of a balanced/run favored attack.
I just learned something. Had no idea. Thanks.
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Pinner was a wrecking ball that year. So yes, Kentucky can win as a power running team. They can win as a west coast passing team. The KEY is consistency.
We knew the News outlets were getting USAID money. Doge uncovered that fact.
And this has nothing to do with UK. As long as we insist on spending disproportionately - vs. other schools - on hoops over growing the pie by showing our emotional & intellectual commitment to football, we won't reach the football level of other non-traditional powers that have. Very obvious to me.
The foreseeable future is such because we don't have commitment to football across the board - admin & fans.
Ran into him skiing at Perfect North Slopes 30 years ago. Only recognized him because there are few 6-6 skiers.
I was at that game. It was a microcosm of UK football history and the "Curse of the Bear" if you will. But glad we got our payback 5 years later, was at that game too.
I knew the background of the author immediately when I saw the headline.
Yeah, you get a lot of "Well bless your heart's". But bring up basketball and watch them turn.
“Be strong and courageous. Do not be afraid or terrified because of them, for the Lord your God goes with you; he will never leave you nor forsake you.” (Deuteronomy 31:6)
Definitionally speaking he's Bi-Racial, so he's just as much white as he is black.
Sure it does, if you have a coach that has a history of boring offense, a string of subpar Qb's, and yearly OC change out, on top of the embarrassing Texas A&M debacle it's gonna be hard to get quality transfers.
The path to an SEC title or Championship appearance is much easier now than just 5 years ago for UK, with the right coaching staff.
Seeing Cignetti's success is definitely a bitter pill to swallow because IU has been even worse than us historically. Before last year they only had two 9 win seasons in their entire history, zero 10 win seasons. But it does give hope that it can be done with the right hire. How long will IU be able to sustain that level of success though? Will this just be a 3-4 year thing before they drop back into the pits of despair? Cignetti is 64 years old he won't be there forever.
As for Sumrall. There's some mixed feelings out there about him. Some are skeptical, and of course it's an unknown how he would fare in the SEC, but he's also on a whole lot of schools radars and everyone I hear on the TV or AM Radio, thinks he's one of the best and brightest up and coming coaches out there. Something has to be said for that. A lot of people said the same thing about Mark Pope as well. I know Basketball is a way different animal, but Pope still had to "prove" himself to us. Sumrall's record seems to be proving out, albeit at a tier lower. I'm all for giving the guy a chance.
Well said.
That 2002 team was incredibly close to being 9-3. Not only did the Bluegrass Miracle happen, but Lorenzen missed a wide open WR in the endzone late in South Carolina game. That team was 2 plays away from 9-3.
Pinner was great. 5 yards a carry that year. Was a beast.
I don't care how Kentucky wins, just win. When Brooks won on the road against Georgia or Auburn I remember a 3rd and 7 play where we handed the ball off to Locke and got the first down. How many times could UK win on the road in the SEC getting first downs 3rd and long on run plays?
I was at the game when we beat LSU. Been to hundreds of games among multiple sports, that one is top five and regardless what games I go to here on out, it will always be top five.
Not sure where Leach would have taken us, if we would have fared any better than MSU or Washington St. did under him? Sure we would have put up pinball numbers and broken all kinds of school records, but would that have translated into many more wins or SEC Championships? we might have gotten out of the gate a little quicker if he had been hired when Stoops was, but I think his ceiling would have been about where Stoops had us. While I agree we need an offensive minded coach, we also need one who values defense. That's the kind of coach IU got with Cignetti that has moved the needle for them.
I think this is true for most fans. Kentucky loves football and craves good football. I’m sure there are some pass happy nuts out there but the majority just want good football. Generalizing UK fans is wrong IMO. UK’s fans are no different than any other fan base. Silly to suggest otherwise if not a little bit arrogant and to blame UK fans in any way on the overall lack of success is just plain dumb.
Frankly, IU is a much easier place to win than Kentucky. The state has twice the population of Kentucky, the league is easier, and it's situated closer to major metropolitan recruiting centers.
Not saying IU is a piece of cake, but it's an exponentially easier job than Kentucky.
Kentucky truly IS one of the toughest major college coaching jobs in the country. Maybe the TOUGHEST.
And here is the kicker. It's getting harder every year, and that isn't going to change. It will continue to get more and more difficult. For reasons that UK can't control.
That's the straight dope. And, deep down, all of you/us know it. LOL
Wildcatdon…..wait, what? Granted, I haven’t been on here much since the merger, but I had no idea you were still around. Nice.
Was on vacation with some friends in PCB(1997) and called around to where we could watch the game. Pineapple Willie’s said they had it on. My wife dropped us guys off and we walked into a Bama Alumni room. They were nice enough to invite us in. Just 4 Kentucky guys and one guy in a Tennessee shirt and the rest all Bama fans. My lasting memory is a guy sitting down with his elbow on his knees with his face in his hands. He looked up and said, “we can’t even beat Kentucky”. Probably my favorite game I wasn’t attending.
I have known some 'pass happy nuts', also knew people that liked UK basketball but rooted for Ohio State football. If they did have interest in Kentucky football it was only when we had a good season going, but also loved to hate on UK football at the first bad loss.
Overall, Kentucky has had way more fan support for the football program then it deserved. Had years we were awful and top 30 in attendance.
The fanbase has been so traumatized that even with a double-digit lead when something bad happens the whole stadium groans, and expects the worst to happen.
The “Stevie got loose” game may have been the loudest I’ve heard Commonwealth. Just nuts. My daughter was at the “Victory Kentucky” LSU game. She says that was mayhem. lol
Can this be true? Can somebody who is in tune with housing tell us if this is accurate and what the implications are?
Just switch parties already. He’s the only sane voice we ever hear from that has a D next to his name.
Maybe we should share how our various fandoms came about.
MIne:
UK - Just born and raised into it. Parents were long time season ticket holders to UK football, and Dad took me to a couple of games a year starting in about 1976 or 77. I went to UK and never missed a game, football or basketball while I was there. When I graduated in '93, i got my own set of season tickets and have had them ever since.
Reds - Started as a kid in the 70's when I'd go visit my grandpa and we'd sit in the back den filled with the smoke from his no filter Pall Mall's watching the Big Red Machine. Watching Rose, Seaver, Bench, Foster, Perez, Morgan, Griffey, then on to guys like Driessen, Oester, Soto and others. Being a UK football fan has helped me cope with their decades of futility (outside of that 1990 season)
49ers - I wasn't a huge NFL fan as a little kid, but I had an uncle, My Dad's youngest sibling, who back around 1980 built a custom motorcycle from the ground up and then rode it all the way to California where he would end up living. He got a job with the San Francisco examiner in their printing department. then after they won their first Super Bowl that I watched with my Dad, My uncle Mike sent ME, not my Dad, the whole special edition newspaper that the Examiner put out for the game. That made me a Niner's fan from that day on. My Dad was always a Steeler's fan. My Uncle passed away last year from the same Colon Cancer my Dad passed away from in 2018.
Can't say I have a favorite NBA team. I don't watch NBA.
There is nothing more loathsome than UK basketball/(insert random close proximity football program) fan.
They can eat all of the dicks. Absolutely no use for them.
P!sses me off, just thinking about it.
Deport her. That's my response. Renounce her citizenship, she's in violation of the Oath she took when she became a citizen.
"I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God."
Your just projecting Mr. Life of the Party with your math equations and whatnot.I'll bet you're a HOOT at parties.
If IU is easier to win at then why have they been historically worse than us, by quite a bit actually.