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vhcat1970

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so, one thing he said is true ... Christianity is based originally off Judaism. I guess that would be a true statement. We can also be happy that they were hateful, vengeful, and blind to the truth, and thus fulfilled scripture by murdering a truly innocent man. We don't owe them much ... they played their role. JMO and nothing i said is based on scripture.
Well if Christianity isn't based off Judaism, why use the Old Testament?
 

notFromhere

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we're going to have to agree to disagree then.

Christianity is based on the entire bible, both old and new testaments, to include the Pentateuch, which forms the basis of the Hebrew bible.

Correct.

so they most certainly are directly related.

Nope.

Most, if not all, of the Hebrew bible points to a Messiah and Jesus came to fulfill the Hebrew scripture.

Yep.

The Pharisees were too blind with lust, greed, and power

Yep.

and would never accept a commoner as their Savior.

They knew he wasnt a "commoner"... Read Matthew 21:33-46

But Jesus said many times that he came to fulfill the scripture (the Jewish scripture we refer to as the OT). Others more savvy or articulate can describe it better. But without Judaism around 2000 years ago, there would be no Christianity.

The source of the error is that the OT is not "Jewish."

Judaism as a religion didn't exist until well after the captivity in Babylon. It didn't exist until after the Greeks or Romans started calling the territory Judea. It as religion wasn't recognized wifely as Judaism until after the first century.

THIS is the MAIN reason the Pharisees wanted him gone. They weren't keeping God's Law. They were keeping their traditions IN PLACE OF God's Law. That's what the "wisdom of the sages" is. It's a substitute. It's a collection of traditions that are "the traditions" Jesus spoke of and against directly. When you read the parable of the tenants, and listen with the spirit carefully to what it says, you realize they knew he was the Son of God, AND they weren't giving their tithes to God, nor keeping HIS LAW.

They rejected him because he WAS KEEPING his Father's commandments and KNEW the LAW better than they did, for good reason. He was the embodiment of it.

If they WERE keeping His commandments, then they would not have been exiled from the land-
.... EVER. The Word of God says so.

...............

To say there would be no Christianity without Judaism is to deny the power and will of God.

Remember, at one point God said He was considering wiping out the tribes and starting over with Moses. He didn't need anyone except a son of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob to fulfill the promise made to them. Judaism played its part after Jesus was born, but even if the rabbis failed to exist before then, God's will and purpose would not have been thwarted. His Word does not return to Him unfulfilled.
 

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Remember a few months back when in the 76 days between when Trump was elected until he was inaugurated that 93 billion was moved out of the Energy Dept. Sometimes they would go to a place that got a huge lone from the Biden's energy dept and it was nothing but an empty parking.

Most times when the Trump administration looked they have no idea where the money went. Update 24.16 billion has been recovered but 69 billion is still unaccounted for:

Here was the original exchange from a few months back with Kennedy when we all first learned about this.


$69 billion remains unrecoverable

No Democrats have gone to prison for this

“So you're telling me that the Department of Energy in a 76-day period before their boss was gonna leave office gave or loaned money to, to entities that had no business plan?”

“Correct”

“No financials?"

“Correct”

“My God.”

That kind of thing happened under Obama too with all of the money given to green companies who not long after went belly up. 27 or more companies. Where did that money go? To people who run those companies who donated to Hussein's campaign. Hussein wanted to "Fundamentally Change America". That is in full swing right now with Muslim insurgency around this country.
 

Lost In FL

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Correct.



Nope.


To say there would be no Christianity without Judaism is to deny the power and will of God.
Last time I'll say anything, but Christianity is based on both OT and NT. we agree. The OT was the Jewish scripture. therefore the two are related. IDK how anyone can say that they are not related.
The last statement isn't my point at all. Agree, God can do anything, but he chose to use Judaism to set the stage for his return as Jesus. So, if not for Judaism, God would've used another religion to predict his return as Christ. But the fact is, he used Judaism and therefore, again, they are related.

EDIT: oh ... we have the same history, which also supports relation.

Peace, brother.
 
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BlueVelvetFog

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we're going to have to agree to disagree then.

Christianity is based on the entire bible, both old and new testaments, to include the Pentateuch, which forms the basis of the Hebrew bible. so they most certainly are directly related. Most, if not all, of the Hebrew bible points to a Messiah and Jesus came to fulfill the Hebrew scripture. The Pharisees were too blind with lust, greed, and power and would never accept a commoner as their Savior. But Jesus said many times that he came to fulfill the scripture (the Jewish scripture we refer to as the OT). Others more savvy or articulate can describe it better. But without Judaism around 2000 years ago, there would be no Christianity.
Plus Jesus was as Jewish as the day is long.
 
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notFromhere

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Plus Jesus was as Jewish as the day is long.

Jesus was of the tribe of Judah like his ancestor David, which is not the same as being Jewish. These are very important distinctions, as ive learned over the past 10 years of studying. It won't matter if I explain it to you, because it's up to you to read it for yourself.

I used to argue with people about Jesus the same way. I thought "he was the son of a Jewish carpenter," as I was told at church. Except Jewish was not a word of that time, and there were many sects fighting for supremacy by the time he was born. There was no Judaism as we know it til later, though there were sects that kept and placed the Jewish traditions OVER the commandments of God, as Jesus himself states very plainly, and those sects aligned with the Romans to survive. That's where the Judaism of today comes from and is why some Jewish people left it to form Jews for Jesus.

You can't be both, and Jewish people will tell you that either plainly or angrily. Most will just tell you plainly, if they'll talk to you about it at all.
 

notFromhere

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Last time I'll say anything, but Christianity is based on both OT and NT. we agree. The OT was the Jewish scripture.

They're either both Jewish or neither is Jewish. The latter is true while the former is not. Judaism came after both testimonies were completed. It's historical fact.

Judaism is based on the Talmud and Mishnah, written down/compiled well after the first century. Historical fact. Everything before that were the "oral traditions" that certain sects kept. The Essenes did not. The apostles did not. Some in the priestly divisions did not. That's why Jesus told them to listen to what they read from Moses but not to do as they do.

therefore the two are related. IDK how anyone can say that they are not related.

God used Islam as a scourge, but that doesn't mean it's related to Christianity. They see Jesus as a prophet, but that doesn't mean it's related to Christianity. They keep some of the same dietary laws as Jews, but it doesn't mean Islam is related to Judaism.

God used Judah. Sure. He fulfilled the promises he made to David. But Jesus called his followers out from among the sects of his day to follow the Word. Rabbinical Judaism was one that was starting to define itself in the first century, and Jesus made sure he differentiated what he followed FROM THAT.

Paganism recognizes a Messiah and is a perversion of the promises given to Adam and down through Abraham, David, etc. It is basically ancestor worship, worshipping men as gods. That's why most of it has a grain of some truth or prophecy, but adds to it based on the region. That doesn't mean it's related to the Word.

The last statement isn't my point at all.

I edited the following for accuracy

Agree, God can do anything, but he chose to use Judah to set the stage for his son, Jesus. So, if not for Judah, God would've used another tribe to predict and fulfill his Word. But the fact that he used Judah doesn't mean Judaism and Christianity are related, because not everyone of the tribe of Judah was or became "Jewish."

He also used Judas. Do you think that means Judas was OK?

EDIT: oh ... we have the same history, which also supports relation.

Peace, brother.

We probably differ on how much time we spend reading and debating people on these things is all. I've lost a ton of debates to get where my understanding has me now, because I didn't know what the Bible said about these things.

Jesus implied that the light has no fellowship with the darkness. No relationship. He said he was the light of the world, and that the rabbis were blind guides.

You're going by time, physical traits, and common history, which we all share- every one of us. So in that respect, yes, everything is related.

I'm going by tenets, customs, spirit and faith. Judaism is opposed to Christianity or the rabbis wouldn't have had Jesus killed, and his followers killed for centuries after, and they wouldn't harrass or send death threats to Jews that become believers in Jesus today. Which I have seen and heard myself, as well as heard others say as much also.

I'm going to leave it at that.

Peace to you as well.
 

notFromhere

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** Wise Words Department **

“The way you solve things is by making it politically profitable for the wrong people to do the right thing.”

— Milton Friedman

If that isn't EXACTLY what Trump has been trying to do and successfully doing in some cases, I don't know what is.
 

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I listened to my last sob story about underpaid and under appreciated public school teachers.



 

notFromhere

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I listened to my last sob story about underpaid and under appreciated public school teachers.


This is exactly what oligarchs do.

Just as the Obamas and Bidens, the Bushes McConnell and Romney all do. They abuse the positions they have been granted as servants, instead as a means to build power and wealth. To steal from the people to reward themselves, their family, and their donors.

Obama fundamentally changed this country by doing running his oligarchy publicly, openly, taking a position for which he both morally and legally wasn't fit/eligible, and opening the borders against the oaths he took to defend the constitution and the people. Now mid level managers and executives are doing the same thing.

If it isn't stopped across the board, things will get much worse very quickly
 

HymanKaplan

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I believe that teachers are quite fairly compensated, and I also believe that public education is MORE than adequately funded. Probably more than need be. Money isn't the problem. The problem is that schools are trying to fix the unfixable, and in doing so, are failing at the principal job with which they've been tasked. And, as is always the case, when the government inevitably steps in and tries to help, they compound the problems exponentially.
 

sefus12

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I listened to my last sob story about underpaid and under appreciated public school teachers.



I don’t know what’s worse….. knowingly misusing funds and creating a $188 million budget shortfall, or being so incompetent you unknowingly create a $188 million budget shortfall.
 
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I believe that teachers are quite fairly compensated, and I also believe that public education is MORE than adequately funded. Probably more than need be. Money isn't the problem. The problem is that schools are trying to fix the unfixable, and in doing so, are failing at the principal job with which they've been tasked. And, as is always the case, when the government inevitably steps in and tries to help, they compound the problems exponentially.

I agree conceptually this is where they fail. Financially they fail because they have an insane amount of highly paid people in administration that do basically, or sometimes literally, nothing.

They could fire at least half those and never even notice.