Love it.
Congrats to the young man on a well-deserved bump in ranking.
Congrats to the young man on a well-deserved bump in ranking.
Porcher 4*
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Reinforces what many of us already know... these coaches are great talent evaluators.
It doesn't matter, he's the same player as he was before the bump in ranking.
What it shows though; is our staff evaluated his film and noticed something good enough to get after him with an offer early in the process. They also made him a priority, when nobody else did, and did a great job in getting him to commit.
Matter it does matter, someone else can weigh in on that.
Bumps us 60 points but no bonus points unless he's inside the top 250.
Looks like we are now 24th overall and 15th in average star ranking.
Also, I think it matters to other potential recruits. It bolsters the narrative that things are improving and that we will be back in the mix in the near future. The better the perception of quality recruits, the better the chances of future success and being a part of a winner.
It's also just nice to see him get what he deserves. He's a beast and the 2* rating was a total joke.
Agree up to a point.
People who want to complain will find some sort of "evidence" to support their side of a discussion. At a minimum, not having many or hopefully any 2 star recruits will eliminate that as a basis.
Good for Porcher.
What does it matter? If you don't believe in ratings and rankings, then it means nothing. If you believe in ratings and rankings, then the chances for Porcher to become an all-american just went from 1 out of 127 to now 1 out of 16. The odds of landing an elite player trend up based on higher star ratings.
But isn't he the same guy? Sure he is. He was initially evaluated as a DT before his senior year, now he's evaluated as a DE at the end of his senior year. Did he get better? I don't know, I would guess that he grew to be a better player this year and is now properly evaluated in his position. Will he be good for DONU, just have to wait and see.
Edit: fixed my poor grammar.
What does it matter? If you don't believe in ratings and rankings, then it means nothing. If you believe in ratings and rankings, then the chances for Porcher to become an all-american just went from 1 out of 127 to now 1 out of 16. The odds of landing an elite player trend up based on higher star ratings.
But isn't he the same guy? Sure he is. He was initially evaluated as a DT before his senior year, now he's evaluated as a DE at the end of his senior year. Did he get better? I don't know, I would guess that he grew to be a better player this year and is now properly evaluated in his position. Will he be good for DONU, just have to wait and see.
Edit: fixed my poor grammar.
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Agreed found a kid that was underrated that is a key for programs like ours. Congratulations to him.
Yup and the funny thing is NOW a whole lot of people will think hes a better player than he was yesterday when he was a 5.4 2 star guy lol.
holla
Top recruits want to play with other top recruits (the whole winning games thing)...while Porcher getting a 4th star doesn't actually make him a better player the perception of him changes...including to other recruits who might be thinking of jumping on board...so it, believe it or not, matters
I believe that he was originally evaluated as a DT and really hadn't been seen by the evaluators much. It was pretty well known that his rating would jump when he was switched to a DE and had Senior film, but not this much. Rivals usually does not jump a recruits ranking outside of a normal ranking period(next one is December), but made an exception here because of this big jump. His jump alone was basically like the Huskers adding a 3 star recruit to their class.
Definitely not Michigan quality considering his father played for Detroit for several years.
True. But the guy had 20+ D1 offers and was ranked as a 2*.
Either way, he got the ranking he deserved so it's all gravy.
First, just because his father was good doesn't automatically mean he is good too. Second, I was saying that him getting a 4th star was a positive for NU. As I said, other recruits look at who is committed and with a few exceptions (such as a QB maybe not wanting to be in the same class as another highly touted QB) top players want to play with other top players...having another 4* on your commit list helps. Finally, my specific post had nothing to do with Michigan specifically.
Stars do have meaning, every year teams like Alabama, Ohio State, Clemson, Michigan, Oklahoma, etc.. have the top recruiting classes that are mostly made up of 4 and 5 stars with some 3 stars sprinkled in there. And what do you know, they are the teams contending for national championships. Recruiting is the life blood of college football. Sure you'll get the occasional JJ Watt, or Ameer Abdulah that isn't ranked on recruiting sites but those are very rare cases. To even contend for a championship you need a top 5 recruiting class and to get a top 5 class you need 4 and 5 star dudes. Simple as that.
Show me an Osborne team that had top five recruiting.. I'll wait. Sure stars are a barometer, but not at all everything.. I'd take a team full of Andy Janovich's right now
Well, since there were no Rivals, Scout or 247 rankings in TO's time will be kinda hard to do that. Having an Andy Janovich is great but TO was still getting top talent over the years. Guys like Steve Taylor, Broderick Thomas, Turner Gill picking us over Oklahoma, Tommie Frazier, Grant Wistrom, Lawrence Phillips, etc....You need to get top talent but at the same time you need to develop them and meshing walk ons with the stars is always a good thing. Cant build a team with just Nebraska walk ons.
Right now you might, but you sure as hell wouldn't take one vs Osborne's good teams. That would look like Saturday night 10 times out of 10.
There was an article about a year ago that every single team that has won the NC during "the Rivals.com Era" has either had at least one #1 ranked class or two #2 ranked classes on campus when they won it. With the playofff here I think that will be a short lived stat but as you say...point taken
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To be fair, Porcher did have 17 Power 5 offers before Nebraska offered. It might actually be closer to 25 by now.
Lemming, Emfinger and Wallace all did recruiting rankings back then. I remember there being a Hail Varsity article on them a while back. As I recall, TO had several Top 10 recruiting classes and even a couple in the Top 5.
I'm sure just like us, other players across the country are "star-seekers." They want to play with other good talent, so the more highly ranked players the better.
Dude you're an idiot if you think Osborne's teams consisted of average rated players. And the entire offensive line was taking steroids
A team full of Andy Janovich's huh? Sounds great until you realize he actually played in a total of 25 games over a 4 year career and only rushed for 271 career yards. You can't win with a good attitude and good work ethic any more, it's 2016. To win you need ATHLETES and Tom realized that when it came time for bowl season he needed top tier athletes to compete with the south. If recruiting services were around back then we would obviously have a couple top 5/10 classes. I never said stars were everything, but when Alabama wins 4 Natys in 6 years and has had a top 5 recruiting class the last 8 years (5 of which were the number 1 class) makes you think all those 4 and 5 star guys might be helping out a bit.
I read some quotes from Tom where he said he didn't have much faith in the rankings many years ago. They probably weren't a well defined system then as it more likely is now. Now kids go to multiple camps, go through timed and comparative drills, everyone has film and there is just much more exposure to more people. So to compare a ranking 30 years ago to a ranking now is not even in the same ballpark.