Not just losing but a lot of lack of trying and stupidity - I think between the Eagles and Penn State at least 6 punts and kickoffs have been muffed in the past week and both defenses let no-names just gash them up the middle endlessly.
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Venice is October even better - cooler weather and you’re not packed into the narrow streets like sardines
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One thing we all forget with how bad the game was...Northwestern was content going into the half down 4. Franklin stupidly stopped the clock trying to get the ball back gifting them 3 points. That's the difference in the game. Northwestern may win any way but yet another screw up that people forget about.
I remember watching the 1994 Miami team tire themself out against Nebraska with endless showboating. We needed the Canes to win and they were easily on their way to doing so, but predictably got tired. Made me furious at the time
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Hell no - why should my money be wasted just to have someone not work? If anyone should be responsible for the buyout, should be garnished straight out of Sandy’s and Eric Barron’s (“we found the right person to lead our program” - Eric Barron”) pension.
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IDGAF what you ‘except’. Btw it’s ’accept’ you f’in moron. I’m not apologizing for an opinion. Your parents should apologize for polluting earth with a POS like you!
I’m waiting for a PSU player celebrating a sack to be called for offsides on the next play.
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That and the onside kick debacle in the UCLA game were huge mistakes/lapses.
You know, Penn State lost to Oregon in 2 OT, lost to UCLA by 5, and lost to NW by 1 - all close games. Not trying to excuse Franklin - in fact, the opposite - had he and his staff coached more effectively (and managed the games more effectively), Penn State could very well be 5-1 at this point. The thing is, the team has been playing poorly overall in their games, which is really what has put them in a position to lose. But, they could have a much better record at this point.
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It's happened in the NFL.I’m waiting for PSU player celebrating a sack to be called for offsides on the next play.
It’s very windy today in NEW. JERSEY.
. I got blown on my morning trek for scones and lattes.
I agree with this. I can’t support paying the massive buyout. But, if PSU, you need to be clear with Franklin that he’s not getting it done and there won’t be any new negotiations. Need to make looking elsewhere attractive to him. Sadly, the market for Franklin crashed harder than NFTs and he likely has no comparable suitors. Also need to tell Franklin to work on messaging - it’s ‘lower your expectations’ despite the big money on staff and NIL. I’d ask Franklin to take a pay cut too as a good faith effort. Hopefully a desperate SEC or Big 12 school makes him an offer. I also would not sign any future coach to a contract longer than five years.
The pay cut is a good tactic. Force his hand publicly. If he takes it, then that’s ammo in a future buy-out. If he doesn’t then it further isolates him and encourages him to leave.
My worry is that he doesn’t give AF. He’s resigned himself to playing out the string and collecting big checks.
There's a better chance that Lions get curb-stomped at Iowa than winning the game. Hawkeyes will run the ball down our throats and fans are gonna have flashbacks to the Spartans game where they had 400 yards rushing with Fornadel at DT and Dave Benfatti at LB.
Last year was THE year, but couldn't beat a good but not great ND team. And then come into this year with hopes sky hope only to be dashed by Oregon then utterly crushed by UCLA.
Really don't think there's any coming back from that sequence for JF. He's obviously lost the team, and I actually think if they get crushed by Iowa a change will come faster than anyone thinks.
You are Pat Kraft - what is your next move? And who is on your HC short list?
I’ve sort of disqualified myself from this because I think it’s a massive waste to pay Franklin’s buyout. But, assume it can happen - how do you orchestrate hiring his successor? Fire Franklin now to maybe salvage recruiting/the season? Wait and make a move and the end of the year? Who do you make interim coach? Who is on your short list?
Have long wanted Franklin gone but processing the reality is strange. I don’t know why he couldn’t get it done here - he got everything he wanted but couldn’t get it to work. Feel bad for him to be honest - think he loves PSU and wanted to stay forever but these are the kids of losses you lose your job over.
I’ve sort of disqualified myself from this because I think it’s a massive waste to pay Franklin’s buyout. But, assume it can happen - how do you orchestrate hiring his successor? Fire Franklin now to maybe salvage recruiting/the season? Wait and make a move and the end of the year? Who do you make interim coach? Who is on your short list?
Have long wanted Franklin gone but processing the reality is strange. I don’t know why he couldn’t get it done here - he got everything he wanted but couldn’t get it to work. Feel bad for him to be honest - think he loves PSU and wanted to stay forever but these are the kids of losses you lose your job over.
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Two totally different styles of play. You can't play Bearcats football at Wisky (B1G) and hope to be successful.Fickell looked good at cincinnati. A lot of people figured the success would transfer to WISKY.
Penn State doesn’t strike me as a “change in season” program. The Sandusky stuff was an outlier.
The only reason to change in-season is them having IDed a new coach and wanting to ensure they can start discussions now to avoid competition.
Well psu asks for more more more. Can’t see paying someone 50 million plus to sit at home. What a waste of my money!! Is what everyone should then say. Not getting much of a return now but what if grunk or qb2 comes in now and wins out and we make playoff. Uhoh.
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Sucks we can't redeem a high round draft pick based on this season....
Probably within the foreseeable future in regard to the state of flux "amateur athletics" sits within
First game since Nebraska when Tommy Bradley was named interim head coach that I haven't watched a PSU FB game. Gotta tell you something, had a great Saturday and saw the results this morning which wasn't depressing at all. Had I watched it today I probably walk around with a touch of melancholy. The high hopes, pre-season national attention, back-to-back losses made me stressed watching them play.
Since the U-turn the team made from the start of the season, my curiosity has drifted slightly to who becomes the future head coach for PSU FB, whenever that may be. I admire Coach Franklin, came in at a difficult time and has been duly compensated for that gesture, but he has the yips with High Pressure Games. Excellent recruiter, unfortunately for him Coach Paterno's expression "It's about the Jimmies and Joes, not the X's and O's" doesn't hold up in his situation.
Many posts ago I pondered will PSU ever win another national championship in my lifetime; I was certain it would have been this year.
Enjoy your day.
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Probably within the foreseeable future in regard to the state of flux "amateur athletics" sits within
First game since Nebraska when Tommy Bradley was named interim head coach that I haven't watched a PSU FB game. Gotta tell you something, had a great Saturday and saw the results this morning which wasn't depressing at all. Had I watched it today I probably walk around with a touch of melancholy. The high hopes, pre-season national attention, back-to-back losses made me stressed watching them play.
Since the U-turn the team made from the start of the season, my curiosity has drifted slightly to who becomes the future head coach for PSU FB, whenever that may be. I admire Coach Franklin, came in at a difficult time and has been duly compensated for that gesture, but he has the yips with High Pressure Games. Excellent recruiter, unfortunately for him Coach Paterno's expression "It's about the Jimmies and Joes, not the X's and O's" doesn't hold up in his situation.
Many posts ago I pondered will PSU ever win another national championship in my lifetime; I was certain it would have been this year.
Enjoy your day.
Shalom
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True, but if they get crushed at Iowa, they'll really be in danger of not going to a bowl game and they've seen up close what a change can do for a team.
They had Northwestern stopped on that drive, but a stupid personal foul penalty extended Northwestern's drive which culminated in a field goal. It's hard for me to fault Franklin for calling the timeouts when Northwestern really should have been forced to punt, but perhaps Franklin does deserve some blame for all the undisciplined penalties in the first half including the one that extended that drive.
Because Franklin was never a good coach. He’s a CEO type who wants to delegate the hard stuff to assistants, but meddle when it suits him.
That type of leadership usually fails. After years of pinning failures on not having the $ to pay top assistants, PSU stepped up.
Franklin has his top guys, a roster of players he recruited and developed. There are no excuses anymore. He just isn’t a good enough coach to win at this level. No shame there…very few are.
On the buy-out, the only way it happens is if Kraft has big donors lined up. And that takes time, IMO. Nobody expected this to fall apart so quickly. That leads me to believe that Kraft needs time to work out some sort of plan (if any).
I don’t see a quick action coming. At the soonest, they’ll limp through an awful season, gather more justification for action, and then do a full assessment in Dec/Jan.
It’s most likely they retain Franklin in 2026. He did take the team to the national semis just last season and brought it back from an awful Covid season.
Kraft will point to that.
I get where you're coming from, but our offense is basically non-existent for many reasons. Be happy up 4 knowing you get the ball to start the second half.
I also don't trust our defense at all after the UCLA game plus, as you mentioned, the lack of discipline.
In most situations, I'd call a timeout--not with this team in that situation.
I think no matter what franklin will not be the coach next year. whether they fire him in the middle of the season or wait until the end of the season. from a recruiting standpoint, guys are going to leave no matter what, that’s inevitable at this point. if i was kraft i would get rid of kotelnicki this week and see what CJF does against iowa. depending on how that game goes you either fire him right after that game so you can figure things out during the bye week, or you keep him and wait until the end of the season to part ways. bring in a new coach and let him rebuild. it’s easier to improve after firing your coach nowadays with the transfer portal and nil. take indiana as an example, they were immediately good after parting ways with tom allen and rebuilding the roster through the portal.
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I’m waiting for PSU player celebrating a sack to be called for offsides on the next play.
I think criteria #1 for the next coach is someone who understands and has successfully used the Portal at their prior job.
I do think recruiting ability has been rendered less important with free transfers and NIL $.
This is one reason why a guy like Bill O’Brien could be more successful at a major program the second time around. Not saying that’s Penn State, but an NFL coach who can develop players will be highly attractive in this age.
Our next head coach needs to be a winner. we can’t hire a guy who’s a program builder. we need to hire a guy who will get our team ready for big games, preferably a more offensive minded coach, and instills confidence into the team. with that being said i think these guys have the traits that could take us to the next level.
Lane kiffin
fran brown
urban meyer
brian hartline
will stein
joe brady
curt cignetti
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One did that just before the flag was thrown for a facemask.I’m waiting for PSU player celebrating a sack to be called for offsides on the next play.
Now Franklin has to "except" getting made fun of by the likes of Northwestern, yo!
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