prescott vs russell
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Well, if you saw Russell yesterday that statement is pretty accurate. Russell single handedly cost us the football game. That was as bad a game as I've seen any QB play in a long time. By the start of the 2nd quarter I was wondering why in the hell Mullen didn't just turn it over to Prescott and say it's your game now. I'm still wondering.
I completely agree. Russell moves like a statue back there. Prescott at least will move out of the pocket and is a threat to run and gain positive yardage. Russell showed yesterday that when receivers are covered well, he just prefers to throw the ball up and take a chance that it might get caught instead of tucking and running. I'm 42 and I think I can out-run Russell***
The statement was have we ever had a QB as bad as Russell. You've seen Russell play 13 games this year. Do you think he is worse than Tray Rutland, Michael Henig, etc.? Do you really believe that? Don't base it on one game. Look at the body of work. Russell stunk it up yesterday. However, would you really trade him for Henig or Ty Evans or Josh Riddell? If so, I really don't know what to say.
His body of work for the regular season was only average. I know he set a lot of MSU records, but he was an average passer and a poor runner. Yesterday, he was every bit as bad as Rutland, Hennig, etc., even on their worst days. But you're right, overall he's been a decent QB for us and far from our worst ever.
Might ought to wait until after next year to gloat about this. I suspect you'll see a much improved Russell. Patdog is right, Russell has been average. What's amazing to me is that, even with our QB history, our fans seem to think Russell being average is a bad thing.
We are in quite a pickle at the QB position
Russell is a pure dropback guy. He is not mobile (as I have been saying for years). But he is a very accurate passer up to 20-25 yards. He's a smart player. But he is playing in the wrong system. We are trying to piece together a system to fit his skills- and it looks like ****. We had no business throwing the ball 35 times a game with the WR corps that we put on the field. It's a disservice to the entire team doing that.
Prescott got experience this season. But he was not ready to be the starting QB. He actually has a better arm than Russell- but he isnt as accurate and is still working some on touch. He has thrown some pretty passes this season- but like yesterday when he bounced the ball on the screen to the right- he still needs to work on his footwork. Next season he would be ready to play full-time.
And then you have Mullen, whose offense looks like crap unless he has a mobile QB. We never looked in sync this year on offense and the run game looked like it was experimental all year.
Now we have a bunch of new WR's coming in, but you cant just throw Russell to the wayside. Can Mullen make the changes to run the ball better in 2013? Do you play Dak alot more?
The offense is the biggest problem to me going forward.
Russell is a pure dropback guy. He is not mobile (as I have been saying for years). But he is a very accurate passer up to 20-25 yards. He's a smart player. But he is playing in the wrong system. We are trying to piece together a system to fit his skills- and it looks like ****. We had no business throwing the ball 35 times a game with the WR corps that we put on the field. It's a disservice to the entire team doing that.
Prescott got experience this season. But he was not ready to be the starting QB. He actually has a better arm than Russell- but he isnt as accurate and is still working some on touch. He has thrown some pretty passes this season- but like yesterday when he bounced the ball on the screen to the right- he still needs to work on his footwork. Next season he would be ready to play full-time.
And then you have Mullen, whose offense looks like crap unless he has a mobile QB. We never looked in sync this year on offense and the run game looked like it was experimental all year.
Now we have a bunch of new WR's coming in, but you cant just throw Russell to the wayside. Can Mullen make the changes to run the ball better in 2013? Do you play Dak alot more?
The offense is the biggest problem to me going forward.
I'm talking strictly about his mobility. I told people from the beginning he wasn't mobile- but they always countered with he was a "serviceable runner". He is nowhere near "serviceable"
This is an excellent summary of where we are offensively. Some tough decisions will have to be made.
We should all be thankful morons like you don't make the decisions. Russell wasn't utilized correctly and had only one receiver who played somewhat consistently at an SEC caliber, and still managed to break most of our passing records. Stats don't tell the whole story, but they aren't meaningless either, as some want us to believe. To condemn him like that over one game is asinine. I'm not saying he should be let off the hook, but even the best NFL QB's have days like that occasionally. It just happens.
I still think he runs well enough to play. But yeah, he's not a good runner and he's a little more limited as a passer than I expected. I really think we should have turned the game over to Prescott at the beginning of the 2nd quarter yesterday and let him use it as an audition for the starting job next season. I'm still completely mystified as to why Prescott didn't see more playing time.
I'll agree with you there, I've never thought he was mobile. Pretty frail too. He's a step slower than Bo Wallace/Jeff Driskel and some of those semi-mobile guys for sure.
I'll tell you a couple of reasons. #1, a running QB should score on that time Dak broke free. I mean, that's his strong suit, running. #2, a bad decision on that option where Perkins got buried and killed drive momentum. I say all this to prove that Dak is not ready RIGHT NOW, and Mullen knows it. He will be ready soon, and is going to be a good QB. Just shouldn't have played yesterday. If we were to win that game, Russell was going to be the guy, and he didn't get it done.
Also, your statement about him being limited is not accurate IMO. I've always thought that we was a Jason Campbell type, it wouldn't be until his RS Senior year that he finally reached potential. Many people will be surprised next year.
Also, your statement about him being limited is not accurate IMO. I've always thought that we was a Jason Campbell type, it wouldn't be until his RS Senior year that he finally reached potential. Many people will be surprised next year.
You've somehow found your way onto an MSU board.
I'd like to think that the 9th best SEC QB season ever (statistically) came from MSU's worst QB ever...but one can only suppress so much.
This is the million dollar question. Can Mullen develop a running game that isn't dependent on a running QB? Surely it can be done. Will it though?
Russell will not be benched. You can't bench a RS Senior who's done everything you've asked of him, especially one that is as talented as Russell. Maybe Mullen prefers to drive a Humvee, but he's got a Maserati, so he best learn how to drive it.
Good post. It's obvious we will run the ball more in 2013 with an experienced OL and a Sr. RB in Perkins and a plethora of RBs who got experience this year. All of them have shown they can be serviceable. We threw more this year because our RBs were young and our WRs were experienced. I think it all reverses next year, which is a perfect position for a fully matured Tyler Russell to be in. We literally asked him to be the whole offense this season. We won't next year.
I don't understand why people can't understand this. We're aren't in a "pickle".
I don't understand why people can't understand this. We're aren't in a "pickle".
^^^^^^^This ALL day!^^^^^^^
Besides it's easier to coach the spread running game from a QB coaching perspective. On you read option/zone read looks pretty much your primary is gonna be open almost all the time. As the defense will bit on the PA fake if you've ran the ball decently. It comes down to this for me, who's deficiencies are more glaring and could cost you the game. If Dak can't throw he can always run or you can punt. Tyler creates more of a propensity to cost you the game as there are.more opportunities to get picks. Even if you look at some of his completions he was STILL doing what he did in his first game Vs Memphis......throwing into double or triple coverage. Plus with Dak it allows your OL to be aggressive. It's harder for an OL to pass block rather than run block. He can get off his "box" and attack the DL.
I know its an exercise in futility but maybe some new State fans gain perspective. Back in '94 we had a QB named Derrick Taite (you can't spell State without Taite), he passed the ball all over the field to a guy named Eric Moulds until some sort of rift occurred. Well Taite started losing his luster and fans were clambering for a polish rifle or one Matt Wyatt. Matt became the starter and rumblings were his girlfriend was messing with his head and backup Rob (LLCool) Morgan was a world beater in practice. Then Wayne Madkin won the spot and the dogs were on to a meteoric rise. SEC champ game and all. Next year Wayne had tough times Wyatt provided a spark and all the sudden Wyatt should be the guy. Wayne still helmed the O through 2000 when this guy named Fant came along. He was a stud Coast guy ala Shane Matthews. Juco flops and just bad coaching put the savior Fant in the same position as his predecessors. Then came Mr Croom and all I remember is a 5'6" 135 QB, and a couple of gingers that were all better than each other on any giving day. Then came Mullen, Lee was to small but had tons of heart and Relf was clearly the guy. Relf wowed all on a November Saturday in 2009. Then next year he was pretty solid as well. Had an incredible game(save that for later reference) in the bowl game. Next year was tough for Relf many people think he got hurt in the Auburn game, and during the season and I'm not kidding, some said Favre should be the guy. Again Not Kidding. Russell performed mop up in some spots but Relf went out a winner and 3-0 against UM. This year Russell was highly anticipated, and he delivered. Problem is our defense was atrocious, and after week 7 we were constantly playing behind the eight ball. Russell finished the year with all kinds of records and had State's offense in the top half of the SEC, a feat that is not real common this side of Watson Brown. Then this first display of our team in a month saw Russell have an absolutely terrible game, so we have to question his ability, our coaching, and whether the guy on the bench is better(for that day he had to be IMO). So basically....and the beat goes on
To be fair
Pat wasn't actually ever wrong. His sources told him this and he just relayed the info, so Pat wasn't wrong...just the sources.
Pat wasn't actually ever wrong. His sources told him this and he just relayed the info, so Pat wasn't wrong...just the sources.
Did you watch the game? If the lineman would have been blocking upfield instead of looking around Prescott would have scored and it wasn't the read it was also a blown block the read was on the outside linebacker not the d-lineman that came through untouched. And its Mullens ego not Dak not being ready that kept Tyler in there. Who was less ready than Tyler on that day? One of the worst QB performances ever. I support Tyler and if he had the time a Macarron or Manziel had he or Dak would be way more successful. And will never know if Dak could have been competitive or not but Tyler wasn't.
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