I understand that I don't have to post count to garner any kind of respect. However, are we witnessing the death of the pro style offense in college football. Thoughts?
Pro Style Offense
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They run a lot of pistol, and they ran a lot of spread stuff against us- four WR sets with the QB in the shotgun.
It seems to me, you pretty much design, or should design, your offense around whatever kind of QB that your team has.
If you have Joe Montana or Peyton Manning, you go with a pro style offense. Or for a college example- Andrew Luck. If you have a Pat White type of QB, you run a spread option. If you have John Bond, you run the wishbone. And etc. I know it doesn't really have to be that cut and dried- absolutely you could plug Peyton Manning into a pass first spread and it would be badass, and you could put Bond in the spread option, but you get my point. You play to the strengths of the players.
Personally, I think as long as the NFL is around playing the style that they do, and also desiring to have pocket passers, there is going to be some demand at the college level for pro-style schemes at least in bits as parts of offenses. I don't buy the "spread QB's can't be good NFL QB's theory" because of Drew Brees, Micheal Vick and Vince Young, either though. But there are kids that want to play in the NFL, and some of them are going to want to go somewhere that they feel that they can best be prepared, and sometimes that might be a place like a USC, and that kid may choose USC over say Florida for that reason.
It seems to me, you pretty much design, or should design, your offense around whatever kind of QB that your team has.
If you have Joe Montana or Peyton Manning, you go with a pro style offense. Or for a college example- Andrew Luck. If you have a Pat White type of QB, you run a spread option. If you have John Bond, you run the wishbone. And etc. I know it doesn't really have to be that cut and dried- absolutely you could plug Peyton Manning into a pass first spread and it would be badass, and you could put Bond in the spread option, but you get my point. You play to the strengths of the players.
Personally, I think as long as the NFL is around playing the style that they do, and also desiring to have pocket passers, there is going to be some demand at the college level for pro-style schemes at least in bits as parts of offenses. I don't buy the "spread QB's can't be good NFL QB's theory" because of Drew Brees, Micheal Vick and Vince Young, either though. But there are kids that want to play in the NFL, and some of them are going to want to go somewhere that they feel that they can best be prepared, and sometimes that might be a place like a USC, and that kid may choose USC over say Florida for that reason.
I think they think it's not man enough because it gets away from smash mouth football and tries to finesse you with speed and scheming. When Miami started doing a lot of their wildcat stuff, a lot of people said it wouldn't work because NFL players were too fast.
Now you see guys like Brad Smith running the option occasionally with the Jets, and QB's like you mention Todd like Vick andYoung that can extend plays with their feet. The Chiefs have a ton of speed on the field, and with McCluster as a guy that has experience in the wildcat, I can see them being the next to draft a dual threat QB and using their speed to their advantage.
The NFL at some point may have to change if the college game continues in the direction it is. The ACC and Big 10are really the only conferences that are made up of traditional offenses.That limits the QB's that come out with something other than shotgun as their predominant style in college.
Now you see guys like Brad Smith running the option occasionally with the Jets, and QB's like you mention Todd like Vick andYoung that can extend plays with their feet. The Chiefs have a ton of speed on the field, and with McCluster as a guy that has experience in the wildcat, I can see them being the next to draft a dual threat QB and using their speed to their advantage.
The NFL at some point may have to change if the college game continues in the direction it is. The ACC and Big 10are really the only conferences that are made up of traditional offenses.That limits the QB's that come out with something other than shotgun as their predominant style in college.
I see no reason for the pro-style offense to fade away. However, I do think a spread style offense is more conducive to moving the ball with lesser talent. That's why we are seeing it more these days. Programs have finally figured out that you don't have to force yourself to line up and play smash mouth football with a team that can easily out smash you. Spread the field, get favorable matchups, and move the ball.
I'm sure there is some cyclical element to it and we'll see an over-adjustment on the defensive side of the ball and offenses will go back to power sets. Time will only tell on that part.
That's why I love our offense. It's a happy medium that intends to exploit whatever the defense gives you. We are adaptable (assuming the personnel can do it).
I'm sure there is some cyclical element to it and we'll see an over-adjustment on the defensive side of the ball and offenses will go back to power sets. Time will only tell on that part.
That's why I love our offense. It's a happy medium that intends to exploit whatever the defense gives you. We are adaptable (assuming the personnel can do it).
Alabama is built to run the offense they run, and they are very good at it. They put up great offensive numbers playing smash mouth football. Florida is not built to do what they are asking John Brantley to do and that's why they are struggling. They need to adapt there system to be something more like Arkansas pro style offense that uses a lot of spread schemes to best fit him.<div>
</div><div>They're problem is that they are trying to get him to do what Tebow did. So, no particular offense is perfect, it's just a matter of having the right people in place to run whatever you want to run.</div>
</div><div>They're problem is that they are trying to get him to do what Tebow did. So, no particular offense is perfect, it's just a matter of having the right people in place to run whatever you want to run.</div>
I've always felt like NFL coaches were scared to run an option type of offense because they were afraid that running the QB into the likes of LT, Ray Lewis, Dick Butkus, etc., 15-20 times a game that their QB's wouldn't hold up. They've basically chosen to wear out the running backs of the QB's.
Having seen how some of those guys hit, I can understand that reservation.
And I can also understand why they wouldn't want to wear out their QB's. Especially with the money that they invest in those guys.
I don't think it has anything to do with an offense being less manly than the other, or thinking that one offense works and another doesn't.
The PAC-10 also has some teams that run pro-style offenses- USC, Stanford, Cal (I believe) I know Jeff Tedford has a WCO/pass first spread playbook out there, but I haven't seen them play this year, and Washington, as well as Oregon State. The SEC has Georgia and Tennessee that are more pro-style than Alabama to me. Arkansas I think considers themselves a spread offense, but they certainly have a ton of pro-style influence in their scheme and are under center a lot. I think they just split the WR's out a little more than a traditional pro-style team. And UK is very similar to Arkansas in terms of scheme.
Having seen how some of those guys hit, I can understand that reservation.
And I can also understand why they wouldn't want to wear out their QB's. Especially with the money that they invest in those guys.
I don't think it has anything to do with an offense being less manly than the other, or thinking that one offense works and another doesn't.
The PAC-10 also has some teams that run pro-style offenses- USC, Stanford, Cal (I believe) I know Jeff Tedford has a WCO/pass first spread playbook out there, but I haven't seen them play this year, and Washington, as well as Oregon State. The SEC has Georgia and Tennessee that are more pro-style than Alabama to me. Arkansas I think considers themselves a spread offense, but they certainly have a ton of pro-style influence in their scheme and are under center a lot. I think they just split the WR's out a little more than a traditional pro-style team. And UK is very similar to Arkansas in terms of scheme.
More than ever, NFL teams are platooning RBs. It used to be that star RBs got all or nearly all the carries. Now they've figured you can win with rotating the RBs. It is a QB league and the RB position has been shown to be expendable. So they are protecting the QBs and spinning RBs.Todd4State said: