Propaganda Barbie and her "alternative facts" statement....

Boomboom521

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You're deceiving once again. As I explained you in a previous post the park service put down white padding to protect the grass. Green grass does not show up nearly as well in photographs as white padding. angles are very similar.
The white padding was used in 2013. I'm saying the sections were not filled. Like the overhead photos
 

WVPATX

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They have to redact individual names.

I'll bet you all the money in the world that they won't release individual names. It is illegal.

There are middle school kids that are more intelligent than you. Start googling federal laws against targeting individuals based on political purposes.

Now, you have changed your story. I simply said that Congress and the judge will get those emails. And they will. The NOAA scientist can hide that the data no longer.
 

va87eer

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Fox doesn't agree that it was full to the Washington Monument. Look at a high level shot or the time lapse cameras from the Monument and you'll see things that you can't see in the low angle CNN shot. It should be noted that the distance from the Capitol to the Monument is about 20% further than Mountaineer Field to the Coliseum so it's not that easy to tell how full it is from a low angle camera.

It was still a big crowd given the weather so nothing to be ashamed of. What concerns me is that Trump's ego makes him feel the need to lie about it and people are buying it.


http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/01/21/fact-check-trump-overstates-crowd-size-at-inaugural.html
 

WVPATX

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Fox doesn't agree that it was full to the Washington Monument. Look at a high level shot or the time lapse cameras from the Monument and you'll see things that you can't see in the low angle CNN shot. It should be noted that the distance from the Capitol to the Monument is about 20% further than Mountaineer Field to the Coliseum so it's not that easy to tell how full it is from a low angle camera.

It was still a big crowd given the weather so nothing to be ashamed of. What concerns me is that Trump's ego makes him feel the need to lie about it and people are buying it.


http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/01/21/fact-check-trump-overstates-crowd-size-at-inaugural.html

What concerns me more is the media lying about
It. The crowd reached the Washington Monument it was made clear in the picture. That is why Trump got angry. The media lied through their teeth.
 

Boomboom521

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What concerns me more is the media lying about
It. The crowd reached the Washington Monument it was made clear in the picture. That is why Trump got angry. The media lied through their teeth.
So FOX lied through their teeth?
 

Boomboom521

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Come on Paxx, you just got called out now. FOX says the crowd did not extend to the monument.....are they lying too?
 

torontoeers

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All of this complete and utter bafflegab from Trump's lemmings yet....no explanation as to what an 'alternative fact' is. So tell me what is an 'alternative fact' ? And be succinct....
I honestly couldn't stop laughing for a while this morning when I heard this gem...however when I really sit back and evaluate such an idiot narrative as 'alternative facts'? It's downright dishonest, and people deserve better...
The world is watching....and collectively scratching their heads at this incredulous level of narcissistic crap....
 

WVPATX

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Come on Paxx, you just got called out now. FOX says the crowd did not extend to the monument.....are they lying too?

Based on the picture provided by CNN, Fox live through their teeth, yes. Boom, your problem is you're not distinguishing between Fox hard news and their opinion journalist. Their hard news provided by Shepard Smith and Chris Wallace tends to be very evenhanded even though both are liberals.

But if fox reported that the crowds did not extend to the Washington Monument, then they are liars.
 
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The picture was provided moron. Did the crowds extent of the Washington monument? And by the way do you want to take up my bed or not, coward?

1. I'm not arguing about crowd size. That is a ridiculous argument by a President with penis envy.

2. I have no idea what your talking about with your bed. It is your bed, you made it, mow you have to lie on it.
 

WVPATX

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1. I'm not arguing about crowd size. That is a ridiculous argument by a President with penis envy.

2. I have no idea what your talking about with your bed. It is your bed, you made it, mow you have to lie on it.

I'm using my iPhone and not typing but talking. It replaced Bet with bed. You know exactly what I am talking about. Do you want to make the bet or not?
 
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I'm using my iPhone and not typing but talking. It replaced Bet with bed. You know exactly what I am talking about. Do you want to make the bet or not?

I would love to take your money. Unfortunately, I never want to meet you in person or have anything to do with you. So no, there won't be a bet.

I have already shown you the laws that make it illegal to target a federal employee for political purposes. I have already provided you with numerous articles that states the same thing. I have provided an article that showed NOAA provided the data, you obviously didn't bother to read the article.
 

WVPATX

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I would love to take your money. Unfortunately, I never want to meet you in person or have anything to do with you. So no, there won't be a bet.

I have already shown you the laws that make it illegal to target a federal employee for political purposes. I have already provided you with numerous articles that states the same thing. I have provided an article that showed NOAA provided the data, you obviously didn't bother to read the article.

And I have already demonstrated that congressional oversight includes all research, all communications conducted by anybody under government employment. That is what oversight is all about. let me ask you a very simple question. Where Hillary's emails subject to congressional oversight? And other words, did Congress have a right to see those emails?
 

atlkvb

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I would love to take your money. Unfortunately, I never want to meet you in person or have anything to do with you. So no, there won't be a bet.


You said pretty much the same thing countryroads89 after you insisted you did not make some statements you did during our abortion debate. You insisted it was someone else, but I reminded you the statements were yours, and then I asked if I could prove you did say what you said you didn't say, would you then answer my question? You told me to look for the quotes, but you refused to answer the question.

I found your statements, quoted the entire text, and restated the question I asked and you never bothered to defend either your original statements or answer my question...so I'm really not surprised you're not taking PAX up on his bet.

Drive by poster. Hit and run blogger.
 

va87eer

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What concerns me more is the media lying about
It. The crowd reached the Washington Monument it was made clear in the picture. That is why Trump got angry. The media lied through their teeth.

This is an excerpt from the Fox article that I linked:

"THE FACTS: Trump is wrong. Photos of the National Mall from his inauguration make clear that the crowd did not extend to the Washington Monument. Large swaths of empty space are visible on the Mall.

Thin crowds and partially empty bleachers also dotted the inaugural parade route. Hotels across the District of Columbia reported vacancies, a rarity for an event as large as a presidential inauguration."

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A different Fox article stated that from the perspective of where Trump was standing it did look full, even though it wasn't.

I tried to find other pictures in online news but didn't have luck finding many that showed an overall view. There were some livecams that were posting all day throughout the inauguration and they look to be pretty consistent with what is shown in the tweet.
 

WVPATX

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This is an excerpt from the Fox article that I linked:

"THE FACTS: Trump is wrong. Photos of the National Mall from his inauguration make clear that the crowd did not extend to the Washington Monument. Large swaths of empty space are visible on the Mall.

Thin crowds and partially empty bleachers also dotted the inaugural parade route. Hotels across the District of Columbia reported vacancies, a rarity for an event as large as a presidential inauguration."

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A different Fox article stated that from the perspective of where Trump was standing it did look full, even though it wasn't.

I tried to find other pictures in online news but didn't have luck finding many that showed an overall view. There were some livecams that were posting all day throughout the inauguration and they look to be pretty consistent with what is shown in the tweet.

This is such a stupid argument but the CNN photos have been posted many times on this board. The mall looks mostly full to most of us. But one fact is unassailable and that is that his television audience was the second largest since 1981. And we know that two factors were in play at the mall. One, the weather was horrible. Two, there were threats of violence by leftist all day. In fact there were 267 arrests.
 

Boomboom521

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Based on the picture provided by CNN, Fox live through their teeth, yes. Boom, your problem is you're not distinguishing between Fox hard news and their opinion journalist. Their hard news provided by Shepard Smith and Chris Wallace tends to be very evenhanded even though both are liberals.

But if fox reported that the crowds did not extend to the Washington Monument, then they are liars.
At least you are consistent. I'll give you that, and I'll start following President Trump's twitter so I can get the real news from now on.
 

torontoeers

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Once again...can somebody with a knowledge of 'alternative facts' please explain exactly what they are? I am all ears....thank you in advance...
 

Boomboom521

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This is such a stupid argument but the CNN photos have been posted many times on this board. The mall looks mostly full to most of us. But one fact is unassailable and that is that his television audience was the second largest since 1981. And we know that two factors were in play at the mall. One, the weather was horrible. Two, there were threats of violence by leftist all day. In fact there were 267 arrests.
It is about credibility. If was insignificant, than President Trump shouldn't have had his press secretary claim the things he claimed.
 

WVPATX

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It is about credibility. If was insignificant, than President Trump shouldn't have had his press secretary claim the things he claimed.

The mall was full or nearly full. CNN photos proved that. He got the second highest tv ratings in 36 years. And the media reports that no one was interested, in so many words. Trump knows the media is corrupt and will not let them get away with distorting facts. It is a new regime in town.
 

Boomboom521

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The mall was full or nearly full. CNN photos proved that. He got the second highest tv ratings in 36 years. And the media reports that no one was interested, in so many words. Trump knows the media is corrupt and will not let them get away with distorting facts. It is a new regime in town.
"Largest audience to ever witness an inauguration, period" - Sean Spicer

Who is distorting facts?
 
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The mall was full or nearly full. CNN photos proved that. He got the second highest tv ratings in 36 years. And the media reports that no one was interested, in so many words. Trump knows the media is corrupt and will not let them get away with distorting facts. It is a new regime in town.

Carter had more television viewers in 1977. Think about the actual number of televisions and our population in 1977.
 
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torontoeers

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This is such a stupid argument but the CNN photos have been posted many times on this board. The mall looks mostly full to most of us. But one fact is unassailable and that is that his television audience was the second largest since 1981. And we know that two factors were in play at the mall. One, the weather was horrible. Two, there were threats of violence by leftist all day. In fact there were 267 arrests.
You know and I know that those arrested were the same thousand or so jackwagon brigade that showed up in my neck of the woods breaking windows etc for the G20 summit...they show up everywhere and cover their faces in a cowardly manner. You also know in no way shape or form do they represent the majority of peaceful protest. Whether they are left , right or otherwise...
 

WVPATX

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Carter had higher ratings in 1977. Think about the actual number of televisions and our population in 1977.

Reagan had 7 million more than Carter, what does that prove? Trump had the highest ratings in 36 years, much higher than Obama's in 2012 but fell short of the first black President in 2008. Facts are stubborn things.
 

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You know and I know that those arrested were the same thousand or so jackwagon brigade that showed up in my neck of the woods breaking windows etc for the G20 summit...they show up everywhere and cover their faces in a cowardly manner. You also know in no way shape or form do they represent the majority of peaceful protest. Whether they are left , right or otherwise...

Serious question. Did you watch the Ferguson riots and looting and shootings based on a lie? Did you watch the Baltimore riots, looting, torching of businesses based on a lie? Did you watch the rioting, looting, during and destruction of property at Trump rallies. These actions are the purview of one side of the equation, the liberal side.

But they made big mistake yesterday. They probably didn't know that DC is federal territory. They will all be charged with felonies and a huge fine of up to $250K accompanied by real jail time of up to 10 years. Good for them.
 

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Serious question. Did you watch the Ferguson riots and looting and shootings based on a lie? Did you watch the Baltimore riots, looting, torching of businesses based on a lie? Did you watch the rioting, looting, during and destruction of property at Trump rallies. These actions are the purview of one side of the equation, the liberal side.

But they made big mistake yesterday. They probably didn't know that DC is federal territory. They will all be charged with felonies and a huge fine of up to $250K accompanied by real jail time of up to 10 years. Good for them.
I did. And it was disturbing...more than ecstatic to see them land in jail. Do you believe these looters and rioters are extolled by the average moderate?
 
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The loons on the left loved being able to make whatever ridiculous claim they wanted knowing the media would have their back. Now it is ***** central when the shoe is on the other foot. Pardon me for laughing at the loons through their mentl breakdowns.

Your silence around the constant trump lies is telling. You guys are wiling to accept anything as long as it isn't left of center.
 
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Reagan had 7 million more than Carter, what does that prove? Trump had the highest ratings in 36 years, much higher than Obama's in 2012 but fell short of the first black President in 2008. Facts are stubborn things.

See your use of language there.....I like it. Trump had the highest ratings in 36 years but fell short of 2008 election. Which one is it? Is that the new "Alternative Facts" Pax style?
 

WVPATX

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Your silence around the constant trump lies is telling. You guys are wiling to accept anything as long as it isn't left of center.

And libs are absolutely content with Obama lies and Hillary lies and Billy Clinton lies. They are righteous in condemning Trump for his remarks on the bus while ignoring or forgetting JFK, RFK, LBJ, Teddy Kennedy and Billy Clinton's bouts with women, interns, assaults and rapes.

I am willing to acknowledge to Trump's lies. I have said so many times. Are you willing to acknowledge Obama's lies, Hillary's lies, Billy's lies? I am willing to condemn Trump for his treatment of women. Are you willing to condemn JFK, RFK, Teddy Kennedy, LBJ and Billy for even worse behavior?
 
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Reagan had 7 million more than Carter, what does that prove? Trump had the highest ratings in 36 years, much higher than Obama's in 2012 but fell short of the first black President in 2008. Facts are stubborn things.

This isn't about Reagan, this is about Trump, the biggest whiner ever as a President.

He didn't get as many viewers as a President the right claims was one of the worst presidents in history and it was 40 years ago.
 
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And libs are absolutely content with Obama lies and Hillary lies and Billy Clinton lies. They are righteous in condemning Trump for his remarks on the bus while ignoring or forgetting JFK, RFK, LBJ, Teddy Kennedy and Billy Clinton's bouts with women, interns, assaults and rapes.

I am willing to acknowledge to Trump's lies. I have said so many times. Are you willing to acknowledge Obama's lies, Hillary's lies, Billy's lies? I am willing to condemn Trump for his treatment of women. Are you willing to condemn JFK, RFK, Teddy Kennedy, LBJ and Billy for even worse behavior?

Don't change the subject.

Trump is President.
 

WVPATX

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See your use of language there.....I like it. Trump had the highest ratings in 36 years but fell short of 2008 election. Which one is it? Is that the new "Alternative Facts" Pax style?

My bad and in all my other posts, I acknowledged it. Trump had the second highest as I alluded to in all my posts regarding his falling short of the first black President's high in 2008, which still fell short of Reagan in 1981.
 

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This isn't about Reagan, this is about Trump, the biggest whiner ever as a President.

He didn't get as many viewers as a President the right claims was one of the worst presidents in history and it was 40 years ago.
Keep majoring on the minors. That’s not helping Trump at all.
 

WVPATX

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Don't change the subject.

Trump is President.

So, you're not willing to acknowledge their lies, they female assaults? Shows just how partisan you are. A woman abused and assaulted is just the same regardless of how many years have passed. You may want to ask them if they feel that way.
 

va87eer

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This is such a stupid argument but the CNN photos have been posted many times on this board. The mall looks mostly full to most of us. But one fact is unassailable and that is that his television audience was the second largest since 1981. And we know that two factors were in play at the mall. One, the weather was horrible. Two, there were threats of violence by leftist all day. In fact there were 267 arrests.

Yes it is a stupid argument. From the CNN camera it does look full. From the webcams on the Washington monument it clearly wasn't. There were plenty of reasons for people not to come including crap weather. The number of people attending doesn't affect anything.
 
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And libs are absolutely content with Obama lies and Hillary lies and Billy Clinton lies. They are righteous in condemning Trump for his remarks on the bus while ignoring or forgetting JFK, RFK, LBJ, Teddy Kennedy and Billy Clinton's bouts with women, interns, assaults and rapes.

I am willing to acknowledge to Trump's lies. I have said so many times. Are you willing to acknowledge Obama's lies, Hillary's lies, Billy's lies? I am willing to condemn Trump for his treatment of women. Are you willing to condemn JFK, RFK, Teddy Kennedy, LBJ and Billy for even worse behavior?

Again your only response is that the Dems did it. What none of the dems did was create a term called alterative facts. I don't recall a single one ever tweeting and then saying they didn't do it. I don't recall Obama ripping the CIA and then blaming it on the press. Every politician today lies but mone have created their own term to explain the BS.
There is a difference.
 

WVPATX

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Yes it is a stupid argument. From the CNN camera it does look full. From the webcams on the Washington monument it clearly wasn't. There were plenty of reasons for people not to come including crap weather. The number of people attending doesn't affect anything.

Completely agree.