Hard to take your rant seriously when the argument is clearly made in bad faith. You didn’t try to engage what I actually said... you misrepresented it, emotionally escalated to extreme hypotheticals, and then accused me (and anyone who holds a consistent moral framework) of secretly pushing for “control.” That’s not argument. That’s projection dressed up as outrage.
Saying that defending unborn life = ignoring the mother is just false. A consistent moral view doesn’t pit one life against another... it protects both. The Texas law you referenced has medical exemptions for cases where the mother’s life is in danger. And no, women are not being arrested for miscarriages or doctors for saving lives... that’s media spin, not legal reality. If a law is unclear, vote to fix it... don’t pretend it proves all protections for the unborn are draconian.
You claim “morality is dynamic,” but that’s just moral relativism in disguise. If there’s no foundation for moral truth, then morality becomes whatever someone personally feels in the moment... subjective, shifting, and ultimately meaningless. Without an objective standard, no act is truly wrong... only inconvenient to someone else’s preference. And that’s a dangerous way to build a society.
The claim that this is all about “control” is ironic. Because it’s abortion absolutism that demands zero restrictions, no questions asked. That’s not freedom... that’s license with no responsibility.
BTW, FTR - Your post is packed with logical fallacies... Strawman, Appeal to Extremes, False Dilemma, and Ad Hominem, just to name a few. And I get it… pointing that out probably gets under your skin. But it also proves the point... when you can’t build a coherent, fact-based argument grounded in truth, you default to emotion, feelings, and moral relativism.
Clearly in bad faith he says.
Why in bad faith? I'm being deceptive or dishonest? About what? I honestly have no clue what you would be talking about. So... seems like you misunderstand my motives. But if you want to have some high level discussion on issues, then address the issues and stop clutching your pearls.
We disagree about moral relativism. We only have to look at the bible to find examples, like eating shellfish and pork in the bronze age was 'WRONG' while now its morally acceptable. Are you saying thats not true? Are you saying moral relativism isn't real? Because you will lose that argument very quickly.
"Because it’s abortion absolutism that demands zero restrictions, no questions asked. That’s not freedom... that’s license with no responsibility." What? Now you are going off on an extreme stating its either control or the wild west. Roe v Wade was a compromise, because people's personal freedoms and the moral relativism of health care met and decided it was best to leave it up to the individual in these cases.
If your outlook were applied 'consistently' you would then be ok with denying Jehovah witnesses' of their freedom of religion. For example: They do not accept life saving blood transfusions. If you are consistently applying your moral absolutism, then denying them their freedom of choice in this matter is what should happen. Yes?
"BTW, FTR - Your post is packed with logical fallacies... Strawman, Appeal to Extremes, False Dilemma, and Ad Hominem, just to name a few. And I get it… pointing that out probably gets under your skin. But it also proves the point... when you can’t build a coherent, fact-based argument grounded in truth, you default to emotion, feelings, and moral relativism."
I'm not sure you've mastered the meaning of the words you are throwing around. Also, I don't think just denying that moral relativism's existence helps you in this debate.
Moral relativism is very much a real thing and is documented over and over again. What you seem to think is that your personal beliefs are better than someone else's. Which is why I state you wish to control people.