PSU #2 in AP
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Hey, be careful! My grandneice is playing lacrosse at RB. RB doesn't deserve the insult!
You're aligning yourself with a guy named Booger.
That tracks.
Maybe if you can get Skidmark McGee and Vomit Jones on board, you'll sway some folks.
Lots of half truths in there…let’s make it simple…let’s see your list of Franklin’s greatest wins…and road wins.
You must be a paid psychologist!
I hate no one and am a huge supporter and contributor to PSU.
I am just relating the actual results…not a pom-pom fanboy.
And, yet, everything I stated was true. You want Franklin gone. You've unambiguously stated as such. You've been irrationally attacking him - and the team - for quite some time, and I highlighted just a couple of those attacks from last year. You're unnecessarily negative toward whatever he does. You can continue your "support" for PSU by claiming we're not going to reach the playoffs, and definitely not going to win any playoff games if we make it. The "actual results" are Franklin brought a program back from the dead to a semifinal playoff appearance and a returning roster so good, we're #2 in the preseason. But you're still crapping on him. With supporters like you, who needs critics?
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I could name 25 of them, but you would just take the coward’s way out and say they weren’t big wins, so what’s the point? If you only count one team as a big win, then no coach would ever live up to your expectations.
Every win is great. Big 10 championship, Rose Bowl, Fiesta Bowl, Cotton Bowl several wins vs Michigan, win vs Ohio State....not one but TWO playoff wins ...last second win at Kinnick, great road win vs. MINNY With incredible fake punt call.
Of course all wins are good but that doesn't make them great. I think "great" wins are those that come against top 10 opponents and in championship games where the two teams have comparable talent.
BiG Championship win over Wisconsin was a great win.
PSU was favored in Rose Bowl win over Utah. The game was tied at half before Utah's starting QB Cam Rising went out with an injury. I can't call that a great win.
PSU was favored to beat Washington (Fiesta Bowl) and Memphis (Cotton Bowl) and they did. Those were very nice wins but they were expected. They weren't great wins.
PSU was favored to beat SMU & Boise in the playoffs and they did. Those were also good wins but hardly great.
PSU shouldn't have needed a questionable pass interference call and trick play to beat Minnesota. I'd call that a great game changing play but hardly a great win.
I have a difficult time calling 1-10 vs OSU great. I realize that our talent is not typically as good as OSU but I think we should be able to win 30% of those games. Sometimes we have more players returning and have a home field advantage which should be equalizers. The two games where we lost 14+ pt 4th qtr leads were horrible. Last year we blew a 10 pt lead after having a TD turn into an INT and failing to score on 4 tries from the 3 yd line.
3-7 vs Michigan isn't much better. We seemed to be in control a few years ago only to have 2 DBs run into each other. Things like that aren't due to a talent gap.
Yes this is a dig at Franklin. He also gets a lot of credit for winning the games he's supposed to win.
Yes, sometimes we have more returning players and have home games vs OSU, but the same can be same the other way. Like a few years ago when we opened up at Purdue…they had far more returning players than we did and we were on the road….that was a big win. A fifth year three star is often better than a first year four star, so playing against teams like Wisconsin and Iowa who have a ton of fifth year players is a big win and we’ve had quite a few of those over both those teams. I like how these “rules” only apply to PSU, but not the other way around. We have not had juggernaut talent across the board in many years, so beating teams we “should” beat is not as easy as many of you make it out to be because almost nobody else is doing it.
So you don't think winning games we're favored to win are great wins. I guess that's fair. In the 11 games you mention versus OSU or the 10 versus Michigan, how many were we favored in? Probably zero to just a few.
We win the games we're supposed to win and we lose the ones we're supposed to lose. That's what we are right now.
Pitt loses games it's favored to win but the fan base clings to a few upset wins. Fans don't really think things through completely. If each P4 team and similarly classified independents played each other on a given Saturday 35 of those estimated 70 teams would lose.....every week. Winning is difficult. Over the past 10 years, which is the Franklin era, PSU has won 94 games. Sanctions, COVID, good, bad ugly. That translates to 8th best in the nation. about where PSU ranks historically. Some fans want to beat Ohio State and lose to Purdue or Rutgers, so we can be more like Pitt.
I like Franklin. I think he has PSU in good shape.....and I like how he goes about his job. I also relish the agony of his detractors.....bouncing out of bed every morning to read about their pain.
We deserve better!
That's why PSU should be better than 1-10 vs OSU.
- Blew two 14+ pt 4th qtr leads
- 4th and 5 on final possession and the play call is a run between the tackles
- 1st and goal from the 3 on our final drive and we can't get in (Warren didn't touch the ball). Not to mention a TD pass that turned into an INT.
But you make a legitimate point. Every once in a while a team like Iowa has a lot of returning players, the game is at Iowa, and PSU has injuries. We won't win all of those games but I expect to win 75% of them and Franklin has done that.
PSU's Defense had sacked and hit him while throwing (hurried him) all game to that point as well - PSU's Defense was dominating the game, so acting like it was just bad luck for Utah losing their QB rather than the result of PSU's Defense just dominating Utah is laughable as well.
No doubt we should have won a couple of those games against OSU, but I put as much blame on the players for not making plays as I do on Franklin. I played a lot of sports in my life and I can only think of one game we lost where I blamed the coach and that’s because he didn’t pitch the right person in a championship game.
Bingo.
And why would anybody think that Utah was going to stop our offense exclusively in the 2nd half?
And beyond anything else, how could one look at a win in the freakin Rose Bowl as anything other than a great win…
The only people I've ever seen complain about the Rose Bowl win are the same negative Nellie's who can find a gripe with everything.
Especially given that Utah was the PAC12 Champ, ranked in the top 10, and had given a top 10 ranked 11-2 USC team both of their losses. PSU came into the game 10-2, ranked #11 by the CFP Committee, the underdog... and handled a favored Utah team pretty easily in a CFP Rose Bowl Game.... but that doesn't count as a great win???? Huh?.... wha?..... come again?....
Don't tell me that a DB falling down and a QB throwing an interception (in the 4th Q) wasn't totally on Franklin vs ND! LOL
Good coaching puts players in a position to compete to win. Player execution is the dominant factor in the result.
Just another example of a small segment of the PSU fanbase that chooses to minimize the positive and maximize the negative.
Hence, "WE DESERVE BETTER!"
The same people that would still be bitching about it and using it to bludgeon Franklin at every opportunity, if PSU had lost.
Funny thing is many people thought UTAH was going to beat PSU prior to that game. Cherry picking wins and losses is for idiots....honestly. If dumb fans want to focus on 1-2 games instead of the overall health of the program....that is fine, but nobody has to agree with the nonsense. There is no such thing as a perfect HC and those that still get down on their knees to the JoePa altar have real selective memories as he wasn't perfect either...as great as he was. He wasn't dominant in the B1G, didn't recruit like he should have later in his career, and was stubborn to a fault in some areas. He lost to MSU, Iowa, and many others consistently....never mind UM and tOSU.
- Franklin gets you 10+ wins a year and in the current system PSU will make the playoffs 50% of the time moving forward.
- He recruits well enough to win consistently and does a good job at keeping the core players around in this NIL era which is a pretty big box to check.
- The program is moving forward with updates/upgrades everywhere.
- The OL which was a disaster from 99 on for the most part is now a strength...with some actual depth.
- Defense never dropped off no matter who has been the HC.
- He got 2 NFL RB's to return, NFL QB to return, NFL OL to return, NFL DL to return this year.
- The program is at a point where anything short of a MNC is a failure....really big tell of a program that is awful.
Woe is PSU....such heros on this site for dealing with all of this poor performance.