PSU #2 in AP
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FWIW, Texas would be favored on a neutral.
Didn’t you say (and call me out) that it’s not a 2 game season? That speaks to you placing importance on the patsy games, which is silly and un manly
Interesting. Everyone is shouting about manning but he couldn’t beat out ewers so I’m unconvinced. Are you bullish on Texas? Do you agree they over promise and under deliver? OSU is always ready, Texas (to me) is a bit sketch
Penn State needs to lose to Nevada, Iowa and Nebraska so fans have something to whine about.
I don't know maybe not hang out on a PSU site about football on a football related thread for something you're not excited about???? I don't tend to jump on to the cricket boards to cry foul, but that is just me. If you have a top 5 team that just finished in the top 5 and you're afraid to be excited because they could lose....talk to a therapist. There is no guarantee of a MNC for anyone out there, but I'll still watch this year not pretending to be a victim either.
Only one p!ssed is you, Marshall. Who has Frankin ever beaten? Anywhere, let alone on the road? Absolutely no one. And this is after over a decade. Piling up wins over cupcakes is relatively meaningless.
It is what it is. I conceded this a few years ago as do most followers of CFB. It’s actually a running joke. But as you said , it’s still 8th best or whatever.
I grew up going to PSU games and seeing them win against top competition - at home, on the road, and at bowl games.
So whatever has gone on in the last decade+ on the gridiron at Happy Valley is decidedly mediocre.
But I still went: home, road, and bowl games. Do I expect Penn State to win as an underdog or even a competitive game? Nope - I gave up on that years ago. It has not happened and there is no sign that it ever will under Franklin. And the record over that time clearly shows that that expectation = results.
it is what it is. Mediocrity by PSU Standards since JVP arrived in 1950.
Want to be the best, youhave to beat the best. Remember when Notre Dane was at/near top of college football? How did we do against them? Far better than CJF against O$U.
If I watch the 1991 game against ND @ ND, I can see my younger self running onto the field shortly after Fayak’s FG. ND was #1, at home, and loaded with seasoned NFL talent.
Who on this board thinks a Franklin coached PSU team could win that game? Laughable. You probably know enough about football (?) that our doors would have been blown off - especially with the fast ND start.
You know it but are too stubborn to admit it.
Winning a MNC isn’t easy. It’s nice to be in the conversation but it’s not a guarantee. Nor will it be in most years. If you only watch 2 games a year or only care about 2, ok….awesome. This notion that PSU is in a bad place or has a bad HC is media/social media age driven BS. JF has the same critical people talking MNC or bust and only 1-2 games count, but somehow that is lowered expectations or a sign of a poor HC?
Oh well, hope they make the playoffs and a decent run….nothing is guaranteed.
OSU is always ready, until they aren't (see recent Michigan games). In terms of Texas, I don't really apply past results to future events. I'm not bullish on one or the other. They are both pretty evenly rated and the game is close to a coin flip. The playoff game last year was closer than the score indicates. Texas had 1st and goal at the 1 with less than 4 minutes to tie the game. A crazy turnover for a TD on 4th down made the score look worse than should have.
Thinking OSU isn’t the game of the year is nutter (I use nutter cause retarded is off the table here)
I never said they did.
My statement was not a jab at CJF either. Although, it was intentionally vague, so that someone could see it as a jab if they chose too.
Or they could have seen it as the AP continuing their narrative that CJF cannot win the big one.
I find that most of the time people see the world through the lens they want to see it. Not ever taking the time to consider another POV. I do this too, because it is easy and I am lazy.
Also, some people saw only a typo...
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Franklin must be doing something right. There is one team ranked above us and 134 teams ranked below us in FBS football.
Let’s keep it clean ladies.
I am not a James Franklin fan, but James and co got this team to where they are preseason. Give him credit. He seemed disinterested in this job coming out of Covid and his offense hires have been more miss than hit. Yet, he adapted to NIL and the portal well. He still swings and misses with the big 5 star elite guys on the recruit trail, but it seems to matter less as things change. Players seem to like him and he has Penn state in a very exciting position. You have to give him that.
We all know our game day coaching on the big and close games leaves something to be desired. I doubt that will really change this year. However This year james may have finally assembled a roster that can over come that. Again, I don’t see a Saquon out there, but maybe Drew can be that if the WRs pan out as this oline and RBs can run on anyone. Defensive depth at LB and a lack of a known threat opposite Sutton worries me some, but this roster is built like OSU last year. Worked out ok for them.
I agree it is a one game season. This program needs to beat OSU. It has to. This streak can’t continue. To be the man, you have to beat the man.
I am not a James Franklin fan, but James and co got this team to where they are preseason. Give him credit. He seemed disinterested in this job coming out of Covid and his offense hires have been more miss than hit. Yet, he adapted to NIL and the portal well. He still swings and misses with the big 5 star elite guys on the recruit trail, but it seems to matter less as things change. Players seem to like him and he has Penn state in a very exciting position. You have to give him that.
We all know our game day coaching on the big and close games leaves something to be desired. I doubt that will really change this year. However This year james may have finally assembled a roster that can over come that. Again, I don’t see a Saquon out there, but maybe Drew can be that if the WRs pan out as this oline and RBs can run on anyone. Defensive depth at LB and a lack of a known threat opposite Sutton worries me some, but this roster is built like OSU last year. Worked out ok for them.
I agree it is a one game season. This program needs to beat OSU. It has to. This streak can’t continue. To be the man, you have to beat the man.
lol, jeezus, was just posing a question
I don't know maybe not hang out on a PSU site about football on a football related thread for something you're not excited about???? I don't tend to jump on to the cricket boards to cry foul, but that is just me. If you have a top 5 team that just finished in the top 5 and you're afraid to be excited because they could lose....talk to a therapist. There is no guarantee of a MNC for anyone out there, but I'll still watch this year not pretending to be a victim either.
for the record, I’ll get excited after we beat the good teams, not the tomato cans (wonder why that phrase was used to describe inferior opponents?) anyway, we’ll all get excited @LaJollaCreek, don’t worry with a 12 team playoff, the men in blue will be there
Apples and oranges…Paterno wasn’t in the Big 10 at that time, there was no transfer portal or NIL. I saw how Paterno did in the Big and it wasn’t great…and that was with no juggernaut like OSU and Michigan in the conference. Franklin’s teams would beat those OSU and Michigan teams and would not lose to Iowa almost every damn year.
My point was that OSU has been an underdog less than 10 times in probably the last 10 years.
Ah, they set the lines. Rankings are for the networks.
As a fan, I only get to watch games. Last year, I got to watch 16 of them. What a blessing. I'm not sure how my life would improve if PSU and Franklin beat OSU. I'd relish the moment for sure, but wake up Sunday pushing 76 years old with the same issues.
It seems to me that when you are so good that you are favored in 80 or 90% of your games, it gets more difficult to generate upsets.
Wouldn't the odds (in this case) lean toward getting upset? I'd have to check with Notre Dame fans.
Age has taught me that if doing some things hurts, I simply stop doing them. If being a PSU fan is such a distasteful thing, why are these nay sayers still here?
Let me get this strait. I'm supposed to ascertain whether a Franklin coached team would win a specific game in 1991? Further, after somehow accurately securing the answer, I then should berate the current coach for underperforming in this cosmic contest that occurred 34 years ago.
Yes, I can see where that would make me "stubborn."
On Nov.6,1999, are you certain a Franklin coached team would be beaten by Minnesota? At home?
How about 9/2/2000 loss to Toledo?
How about a loss to Iowa (at home) the same season?
On Sept. 1 2001 would they get blown out at home vs Miami?
On 9/28 2002, lose to Iowa as a favorite at home and ranked #12?
On 9/6 2003 lose at home by 2 TDs to Boston College?
2003 and 2004 consecutive losses to Purdue and Northwestern?
Seems the solution is to lose more "little ones," therefore precluding the possiblilty of a "big one."
Apparently the current line has duhO$U as a 6 point favorite - pretty significant even with HFA. Apparently Texas is the first ever #1 Ranked Team in the inaugural AP Poll to be an underdog in their season opener.
Things are going well for Coach Franklin and PSU football. Getting ready to enjoy the season.
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So even? on a neutral field. Are they doing home and home?
DKNJ is at -110 both ways on the 2.5, and Pinny just slightly juiced up (OSU -2.5 -111).
I could see psu money coming in in nj but pinny surprised me. Betonline has -4. Maybe worth a small psu bet if that line moves towards pinny.
Oops, think they were talking OSU/Texas (as was I)…thats the confusion.
Yeah? It's the last and only time Texas played at Columbus and they won. It's not far-fetched that they win again.
Hopefully it looks that good at end of season. Schedule is super easy. Can sleep walk through most games. Can we beat O$U? Or a playoff game against a decent team. Based upon past performances (over a decades worth), most would say no - he!! no.
Chance to change the narrative. I sincerely doubt it.