PSU #2 in AP

[MacNit]

Apples and oranges…Paterno wasn’t in the Big 10 at that time, there was no transfer portal or NIL. I saw how Paterno did in the Big and it wasn’t great…and that was with no juggernaut like OSU and Michigan in the conference. Franklin’s teams would beat those OSU and Michigan teams and would not lose to Iowa almost every damn year.

If Paterno was in the Big10 his entire career, his record would have been even better. The Big10 was a joke most of his prime years.

Joe’s record in the biggest of games was second to none. Home, away, and especially bowl games and including major Bowl games.

Frankin has one decent win in a decade+. And none on the road. None. A decent coach with PSU’s talent would have to try for that level of ineptitude.

Joe had more big wins in many a random month in a number of seasons. Including wins on the road and in neutral sites against #1 - ranked teams.

Frankin has nothing.

 

[MacNit]

As a fan, I only get to watch games. Last year, I got to watch 16 of them. What a blessing. I'm not sure how my life would improve if PSU and Franklin beat OSU. I'd relish the moment for sure, but wake up Sunday pushing 76 years old with the same issues.
It seems to me that when you are so good that you are favored in 80 or 90% of your games, it gets more difficult to generate upsets.
Wouldn't the odds (in this case) lean toward getting upset? I'd have to check with Notre Dame fans.
Age has taught me that if doing some things hurts, I simply stop doing them. If being a PSU fan is such a distasteful thing, why are these nay sayers still here?

It’s not naysayers. It’s truth-tellers. The record is what it is…

 

[MacNit]

Let me get this strait. I'm supposed to ascertain whether a Franklin coached team would win a specific game in 1991? Further, after somehow accurately securing the answer, I then should berate the current coach for underperforming in this cosmic contest that occurred 34 years ago.
Yes, I can see where that would make me "stubborn."
On Nov.6,1999, are you certain a Franklin coached team would be beaten by Minnesota? At home?
How about 9/2/2000 loss to Toledo?
How about a loss to Iowa (at home) the same season?
On Sept. 1 2001 would they get blown out at home vs Miami?
On 9/28 2002, lose to Iowa as a favorite at home and ranked #12?
On 9/6 2003 lose at home by 2 TDs to Boston College?
2003 and 2004 consecutive losses to Purdue and Northwestern?





Seems the solution is to lose more "little ones," therefore precluding the possiblilty of a "big one."

You are grasping at straws. All that is being stated is that Franklin is not winning any games where he is not favored.

Beating Villanova and Delaware impresses no one. Why do you think he is called “Big Game James?” Surely you are bright enough to know he is being laughed at?!

Does not mean he is a bad guy or a bad coach. But with the resources that PSU has, we can and have done better…much, much better.

 

[MacNit]

1990

1990 - you are correct

 

[Ludd]

If Paterno was in the Big10 his entire career, his record would have been even better. The Big10 was a joke most of his prime years.

Joe’s record in the biggest of games was second to none. Home, away, and especially bowl games and including major Bowl games.

Frankin has one decent win in a decade+. And none on the road. None. A decent coach with PSU’s talent would have to try for that level of ineptitude.

Joe had more big wins in many a random month in a number of seasons. Including wins on the road and in neutral sites against #1 - ranked teams.

Frankin has nothing.

So why didn’t Paterno win when he was in the Big 10? The conference wasn’t any better according to many people. It’s always tougher to play in a conference than to be independent. Paterno’s success dropped as the talent level in PA dropped. Also, a lot of those “big” wins you talk about wouldn’t be considered big wins if Franklin was coaching. Using Franklin hater logic, beating teams like WVU are never big wins no matter how good they are in a particular year.

 

[rigi19040]

If Paterno was in the Big10 his entire career, his record would have been even better. The Big10 was a joke most of his prime years.

Joe’s record in the biggest of games was second to none. Home, away, and especially bowl games and including major Bowl games.

Frankin has one decent win in a decade+. And none on the road. None. A decent coach with PSU’s talent would have to try for that level of ineptitude.

Joe had more big wins in many a random month in a number of seasons. Including wins on the road and in neutral sites against #1 - ranked teams.

Frankin has nothing.

N

Kids didn't get raped in the showers on franklin's watch.


Ps. Joe had a losing record vs Michigan, OSU and mighty Iowa.

 

[Marshall2323]

You are grasping at straws. All that is being stated is that Franklin is not winning any games where he is not favored.

Beating Villanova and Delaware impresses no one. Why do you think he is called “Big Game James?” Surely you are bright enough to know he is being laughed at?!

Does not mean he is a bad guy or a bad coach. But with the resources that PSU has, we can and have done better…much, much better.

Penn State has resources, of course. Ohio State, Notre Dame, USC, Alabama, Michigan, Oregon, Georgia, Tennessee, Texas, Oklahoma, Texas A&M, Auburn, Nebraska, don't have resources? This year Texas Tech outspent them all.
If Penn State is impressing "no one" who voted them #2 in the preseason poll? Who recruited the players on this roster? Who developed Zane Durant and Ioane into potential All Americans and high draft picks....from 3 star recruits?

If Paterno was in the Big10 his entire career, his record would have been even better. The Big10 was a joke most of his prime years.

Joe’s record in the biggest of games was second to none. Home, away, and especially bowl games and including major Bowl games.

Frankin has one decent win in a decade+. And none on the road. None. A decent coach with PSU’s talent would have to try for that level of ineptitude.

Joe had more big wins in many a random month in a number of seasons. Including wins on the road and in neutral sites against #1 - ranked teams.

Frankin has nothing.

If "ifs and buts" were candies and nuts......." Joe in his prime may have been the greatest football coach of all time. That has absolutely no bearing on James Franklin. The comparison is silly and meaningless, unless Joe is available to coach PSU again. Do you realize you are talking about events that occurred a half century ago?

 

[Marshall2323]

It’s not naysayers. It’s truth-tellers. The record is what it is…

The record and the facts say that PSU made it to the semi-finals of the national championships. There is only one more step. If you are waiting for that, good luck.
While I would be ecstatic to live through another PSU title, I'm going to enjoy every game, especially the wins. I love college football Saturday's.
Especially PSU wins. Now if you want to sit around and spew BS, denegrate every win and wait for that NC, be my guest.


Your motto "PSU made it to the National Championship semi-finals" "I deserve better."

 

[LaJollaCreek]

Penn State has resources, of course. Ohio State, Notre Dame, USC, Alabama, Michigan, Oregon, Georgia, Tennessee, Texas, Oklahoma, Texas A&M, Auburn, Nebraska, don't have resources? This year Texas Tech outspent them all.
If Penn State is impressing "no one" who voted them #2 in the preseason poll? Who recruited the players on this roster? Who developed Zane Durant and Ioane into potential All Americans and high draft picks....from 3 star recruits?

If "ifs and buts" were candies and nuts......." Joe in his prime may have been the greatest football coach of all time. That has absolutely no bearing on James Franklin. The comparison is silly and meaningless, unless Joe is available to coach PSU again. Do you realize you are talking about events that occurred a half century ago?

It's hysterical how such a fan who clearly dislikes Franklin is struggling with where this program is at right now.......he self owns himself every time he posts. Yeah no other teams have resources, PSU has outspent them all, and are just lacking a HC.....just tell Mac that so he crawls back into his little hole to cry some more. Top 4 last year, ranked 2 in the preseason.....and still wants to act like this is a 7-5 team.

 

[laKavosiey-st lion]

more gatekeeping from the gatekeeper

 

[olelion]

Interesting. Everyone is shouting about manning but he couldn’t beat out ewers so I’m unconvinced. Are you bullish on Texas? Do you agree they over promise and under deliver? OSU is always ready, Texas (to me) is a bit sketch

I've aske this before. Why does Sarkisian get a pass compared to Franklin? Sarkisian probably has had better talent at both USC and Texas compared to Franklin at Penn State.

 

[laKavosiey-st lion]

I've aske this before. Why does Sarkisian get a pass compared to Franklin? Sarkisian probably has had better talent at both USC and Texas compared to Franklin at Penn State.

He’s not ours to give a pass to yo.

 

[Ludd]

He’s not ours to give a pass to yo.

No, but I’m sure there are posters on here that would rank him higher than Franklin.

 

[laKavosiey-st lion]

No, but I’m sure there are posters on here that would rank him higher than Franklin.

Where did Texas end up ranked last season? Where is Texas ranked AP this season?

 

[Nits1989]

I didn't understand some of the stuff Coach Franklin was doing early on, but I get it now. Things had to be modernized. Now, PSU is in great shape, and continuing to improve. The football program is in fine shape. The facilities have been significantly upgraded. This season should be exciting. The games against USC and Oregon last year proved to me that you can't count this team out even when they're down. This is a strong, tough, resilient team. If I had such dislike about the current state of things, I wouldn't follow the team. Somebody posted a laughing symbol to my post that I was going to enjoy the upcoming season. Why laugh at me over that? What's the point -- that I'm foolish and should be laughed at? I don't post laughing symbols on the posts that go negative.

 

[Moogy]

If Paterno was in the Big10 his entire career, his record would have been even better.

Who cares? Reality is what it is, and you can't change it with "ifs."

Otherwise, Franklin has HUGE "ifs" to excuse away any perceived lack of success: If Franklin didn't have to deal with a program damaged by a sex abuse scandal that unfolded under the prior regime, but had long lasting effects thereafter ... and if Franklin didn't have to deal with a program that hadn't been kept up and modernized ... and if Franklin didn't have to deal with joebots who withheld support because of their attachment to the prior regime.

The salient point is, PSU is in an awesome situation now. One of the top programs in the nation after rebounding from a potentially program-ending issue, with recent success and, potentially its best roster in decades.

If, as an alleged PSU fan, your inclination during all of this is to repeatedly cry about what you don't have, or what more you think you also deserve, and to troll the board with incessant negativity, you're just a toxic, crappy individual, and we'd be better off without you around the program.

 

[Ludd]

Where did Texas end up ranked last season? Where is Texas ranked AP this season?

And they got to the same place in the playoffs as PSU.

 

[LaJollaCreek]

I've aske this before. Why does Sarkisian get a pass compared to Franklin? Sarkisian probably has had better talent at both USC and Texas compared to Franklin at Penn State.

Because PSU has delusional fans stuck in the 80’s?

 

[pendal1]

Because PSU has delusional fans stuck in the 80’s?

Because PSU has delusional fans stuck in the 80’s?

I loved the 80s. Just watched Penn State vs Bama from 86. Keith Jackson calling the game. A young Blair Thomas before the injury. Wonderful.

 

[laKavosiey-st lion]

Because PSU has delusional fans stuck in the 80’s?

See that’s just name calling and gate keeping

 

[Moogy]

See that’s just name calling and gate keeping

Wouldn't calling someone a "gatekeeper" be name-calling, itself? It's a rhetorical question. The answer is "yes."

 

[laKavosiey-st lion]

Oh, ur rite.

 

[manatree]

 

[Marshall2323]

more gatekeeping from the gatekeeper

The gate isn't locked.

 

[Marshall2323]

Want to be the best, youhave to beat the best. Remember when Notre Dane was at/near top of college football? How did we do against them? Far better than CJF against O$U.

If I watch the 1991 game against ND @ ND, I can see my younger self running onto the field shortly after Fayak’s FG. ND was #1, at home, and loaded with seasoned NFL talent.

Who on this board thinks a Franklin coached PSU team could win that game? Laughable. You probably know enough about football (?) that our doors would have been blown off - especially with the fast ND start.

You know it but are too stubborn to admit it.

You can never beat the best.They aren't the best if you beat them.

 

[MacNit]

So why didn’t Paterno win when he was in the Big 10? The conference wasn’t any better according to many people. It’s always tougher to play in a conference than to be independent. Paterno’s success dropped as the talent level in PA dropped. Also, a lot of those “big” wins you talk about wouldn’t be considered big wins if Franklin was coaching. Using Franklin hater logic, beating teams like WVU are never big wins no matter how good they are in a particular year.

Not at all Skippy. And Paterno did win in the Big10…unseated and one of greatest college teams of all time in his second year…NYTimes National Champs in 1994…but not at the rate as he did earlier. Had some very nice wins that surpass anything that Franklin has done - including a top-10 matchup at Ohio State. Franklin have any of those Handleman?

Just give it up already. Get your tickets and cheer on the team this year. Very navigable schedule. Can we get over the hump under Franklin? 1st time for everything….maybe?!

 

[MacNit]

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Kids didn't get raped in the showers on franklin's watch.


Ps. Joe had a losing record vs Michigan, OSU and mighty Iowa.

Study up dude…Paterno was not in any showers nor was anybody convicted of any such thing.

 

[MacNit]

Penn State has resources, of course. Ohio State, Notre Dame, USC, Alabama, Michigan, Oregon, Georgia, Tennessee, Texas, Oklahoma, Texas A&M, Auburn, Nebraska, don't have resources? This year Texas Tech outspent them all.
If Penn State is impressing "no one" who voted them #2 in the preseason poll? Who recruited the players on this roster? Who developed Zane Durant and Ioane into potential All Americans and high draft picks....from 3 star recruits?

If "ifs and buts" were candies and nuts......." Joe in his prime may have been the greatest football coach of all time. That has absolutely no bearing on James Franklin. The comparison is silly and meaningless, unless Joe is available to coach PSU again. Do you realize you are talking about events that occurred a half century ago?

I could care less how Joe is compared to Franklin. Joe is many of orders of magnitude greater than Franklin as a coach. Any thoughts otherwise (there is zero evidence) is laughable.

I am simply saying Franklin is not getting results aligned with the capability and resources of PSU.

He has accomplished nothing anywhere near PSU’s historical peak results.

And pre-season polls are great. Very easy schedule, planets are aligned.

I would be very impressed with a win over O$U and one playoff game win.

Will he get it? You tell me.

 

[MacNit]

The record and the facts say that PSU made it to the semi-finals of the national championships. There is only one more step. If you are waiting for that, good luck.
While I would be ecstatic to live through another PSU title, I'm going to enjoy every game, especially the wins. I love college football Saturday's.
Especially PSU wins. Now if you want to sit around and spew BS, denegrate every win and wait for that NC, be my guest.


Your motto "PSU made it to the National Championship semi-finals" "I deserve better."

The record and the facts say that PSU made it to the semi-finals of the national championships. There is only one more step. If you are waiting for that, good luck.
While I would be ecstatic to live through another PSU title, I'm going to enjoy every game, especially the wins. I love college football Saturday's.
Especially PSU wins. Now if you want to sit around and spew BS, denegrate every win and wait for that NC, be my guest.


Your motto "PSU made it to the National Championship semi-finals" "I deserve better."

Get over yourself with “I deserve better”…we can do better…much better, I deserve nothing…I am just a a ticket buyer, and university volunteer…I have everything I “deserve.”

 

[MacNit]

As a fan, I only get to watch games. Last year, I got to watch 16 of them. What a blessing. I'm not sure how my life would improve if PSU and Franklin beat OSU. I'd relish the moment for sure, but wake up Sunday pushing 76 years old with the same issues.
It seems to me that when you are so good that you are favored in 80 or 90% of your games, it gets more difficult to generate upsets.
Wouldn't the odds (in this case) lean toward getting upset? I'd have to check with Notre Dame fans.
Age has taught me that if doing some things hurts, I simply stop doing them. If being a PSU fan is such a distasteful thing, why are these nay sayers still here?

Does being a fan mean ignore reality? Just because people point out obvious shortcomings does not equate with “distastefulness”…most of us are quite happy, enjoy going to PSU games - win or lose. But we are not going to sit there and call a diamond a club.

 

[MacNit]

Let me get this strait. I'm supposed to ascertain whether a Franklin coached team would win a specific game in 1991? Further, after somehow accurately securing the answer, I then should berate the current coach for underperforming in this cosmic contest that occurred 34 years ago.
Yes, I can see where that would make me "stubborn."
On Nov.6,1999, are you certain a Franklin coached team would be beaten by Minnesota? At home?
How about 9/2/2000 loss to Toledo?
How about a loss to Iowa (at home) the same season?
On Sept. 1 2001 would they get blown out at home vs Miami?
On 9/28 2002, lose to Iowa as a favorite at home and ranked #12?
On 9/6 2003 lose at home by 2 TDs to Boston College?
2003 and 2004 consecutive losses to Purdue and Northwestern?





Seems the solution is to lose more "little ones," therefore precluding the possiblilty of a "big one."

Well, since Franklin has 1 really good win in 11 years, yes you can make that assumption.

Have you ever worked in the real world? In case you haven’t you have to do this every day.

 

[MacNit]

The record and the facts say that PSU made it to the semi-finals of the national championships. There is only one more step. If you are waiting for that, good luck.
While I would be ecstatic to live through another PSU title, I'm going to enjoy every game, especially the wins. I love college football Saturday's.
Especially PSU wins. Now if you want to sit around and spew BS, denegrate every win and wait for that NC, be my guest.


Your motto "PSU made it to the National Championship semi-finals" "I deserve better."

2 more. Win the semi-final and the NC game. Of course, you know that.

 

[MacNit]

It's hysterical how such a fan who clearly dislikes Franklin is struggling with where this program is at right now.......he self owns himself every time he posts. Yeah no other teams have resources, PSU has outspent them all, and are just lacking a HC.....just tell Mac that so he crawls back into his little hole to cry some more. Top 4 last year, ranked 2 in the preseason.....and still wants to act like this is a 7-5 team.

You have absolutely zero idea how I “feel” about Franklin. You are just such a fanboy that when I point out actual results - you can’t handle it so you cry about it.

 

[Ludd]

Not at all Skippy. And Paterno did win in the Big10…unseated and one of greatest college teams of all time in his second year…NYTimes National Champs in 1994…but not at the rate as he did earlier. Had some very nice wins that surpass anything that Franklin has done - including a top-10 matchup at Ohio State. Franklin have any of those Handleman?

Just give it up already. Get your tickets and cheer on the team this year. Very navigable schedule. Can we get over the hump under Franklin? 1st time for everything….maybe?!

And don’t forget the annual losses to Michigan and Iowa.

 

[Ludd]

Well, since Franklin has 1 really good win in 11 years, yes you can make that assumption.

Have you ever worked in the real world? In case you haven’t you have to do this every day.

Way more than one really good win, sorry.

 

[laKavosiey-st lion]

Way more than one really good win, sorry.

Any as an underdog?

 

[JohnJumba]

Any as an underdog?

Yes.... PiT and their pipe dream NC that we shoved up their #1 joola

 

[Marshall2323]

I could care less how Joe is compared to Franklin. Joe is many of orders of magnitude greater than Franklin as a coach. Any thoughts otherwise (there is zero evidence) is laughable.

I am simply saying Franklin is not getting results aligned with the capability and resources of PSU.

He has accomplished nothing anywhere near PSU’s historical peak results.

And pre-season polls are great. Very easy schedule, planets are aligned.

I would be very impressed with a win over O$U and one playoff game win.

Will he get it? You tell me.

The entire history of PSU Football says it ranks #8. The facts are that PSU claims 2 NCs since 1887. Essentially Franklin hasn't duplicated about 5 or 6 seasons of those 137 years of football.
As for resources...LOL a minimum of a dozen other schools have resources as great or greater than PSU.

 

[Marshall2323]

You have absolutely zero idea how I “feel” about Franklin. You are just such a fanboy that when I point out actual results - you can’t handle it so you cry about it.

You have absolutely zero idea how I “feel” about Franklin. You are just such a fanboy that when I point out actual results - you can’t handle it so you cry about it.

Empirical evidence says that whatever your opinion of Franklin is, it is wrong.

 

[Marshall2323]

Get over yourself with “I deserve better”…we can do better…much better, I deserve nothing…I am just a a ticket buyer, and university volunteer…I have everything I “deserve.”

Well in reference to you...we deserve better.