PSU may very well go into Columbus next month and (finally) beat a good team

[CBusLion10]

I guess that you didn’t see OSU walk into a very tough place to play and beat a pretty good team while their first year qb played like a seasoned vet. Not only will this PSU team lose to OSU, probably by a lopsided score, but they very easily could lose four to five more games; at this point, I wouldn’t be surprised if they lost at MSU and/or Rutgers, let alone at Iowa and OSU. Also, IU appears to be a much better team than PSU.

Maybe. But that's a pretty extreme reaction after they got to double overtime against a Top5 team.

 

[ApexLion]

The problem with that argument is that Vanderbilt beat Bama last season, GT beat Clemson this season, and Northern Illinois beat ND last season, amd my guess is that those teams that lost were paying their players much more than the teams that beat them. Upsets happen all the time, even when there is a much larger disparity with NIL money than there has been between PSU and OSU and Oregon. In fact, PSU was favored by 3 to 3 1/2 points in the Oregon game, so the wise guys didn't even consider PSU beating Oregon to be an upset.

When you consider how many upsets occur every season, it's mind boggling that PSU under Franklin basically has no chance to win when they're an underdog.

I'm just citing the trend line -- better recruits being paid more beat Franklin. The numbers support close but no cigar. In fact, they also support the notion that Franklin can beat a bad or let's say overranked top 10 team at the time they played. He's done that. Oregon, OSU and Ann Arbor Cheaters didn't nosedive. ND losing to NIU was a true upset -- I'm not sure anyone has figured that one out yet.

 

[Erial_Lion]

Game prep (2 weeks this time), player development (no evidence 15 has developed) in game adjustments (zero evidence)
He’s the problem and rightly or wrongly, I only care about beating the big boys. Beating hens gives me no joy. State needs a new regime, maths say so.

The "maths" tells me that we'd owe a $50 million+ buyout today if we fired the coach of the 6th ranked team in the country. It's such a ridiculous discussion to be having today when everything is still in front of us this season.

And how to do live in such a black and white world that every team we play is either a top 5 team, or Delaware? You get no joy from beating teams like Wisconsin, Iowa, Nebraska...or playoff games on our way to the semifinal?

And "zero evidence" of "in game adjustments"? You saw no difference in our offense between the 1st 3 quarters, and the 4th? The offense started out like crap, but that seemed to be one thing that we got right on Saturday night.

 

[BCS PSU]

I'm just citing the trend line -- better recruits being paid more beat Franklin. The numbers support close but no cigar. In fact, they also support the notion that Franklin can beat a bad or let's say overranked top 10 team at the time they played. He's done that. Oregon, OSU and Ann Arbor Cheaters didn't nosedive. ND losing to NIU was a true upset -- I'm not sure anyone has figured that one out yet.

I understand what you're saying. It's just mind-boggling that this program under Franklin, really since the 2016 OSU win, just never seemingly can win as an underdog or when facing a team that has better talent, even when the talent disparity hasn't been that great. You would think that just by the law of averages, PSU would be able to win at least one out of every four or five of these types of games.

I have been a Franklin supporter despite him not being able to win these "big" games because since 2016, he has made PSU relevant in almost every season and has won a lot of games; I think that since 2022, PSU has won the fourth or fifth most games. However, after last Saturday and watching the ineptitude on offense, I'm beginning to waver.

 

[laKavosiey-st lion]

You see his ceiling. He shows it to you ALL THE TIME. You just have to watch him. Also, why’s he getting a pass for looking like dog s the first 3 games (pre season) of the year. The O was a disjointed mess. That’s coaching.
i read over and over he was playing possum. Obviously not.

 

[Bid D from Philly]

Watched the tape again. K got outcoached but it was a typical big time game. One team had an advantage on offense, the other came back and took the lead. But it was a 3-3 game at half.

After rewatching, I had two big issues:

1) I would have gone for two at 17-16 only because I don't want to play Oregon in OT. College OT doesn't really indicate who has the better team. It's really a matter of pulling off a few plays or get a favorable matchup once or twice. Very lucky regardless of who wins.

2) The obvious OT interception call. Run the ball or go into the endzone. There were so many white jerseys against that sideline. It was ridiculous from a progressions pov.

Overall, a lot of crying all around. I get that but its exaggerated. Oregon has a fast squad, well-paid and talented. I suspect they go a long way this year. PSU isn't as far behind as you would believe. Too many cry baby posts on here.

Keep playing, get in the playoffs is the mantra imho.

This Oregon team is not great. PS made them look pretty good by being so bad.

 

[Bid D from Philly]

At the end of the day, we were one play away, and couldn't make it...which led to a 2OT loss to the #2 team in the country. What kind of rational take looks at that and assumes that we're on our way to losing to Rutgers or Michigan St?

Because Oregon is a paper tiger. Just like Franklin and his teams.

 

[PSUHarry]

Game prep (2 weeks this time), player development (no evidence 15 has developed) in game adjustments (zero evidence)
He’s the problem and rightly or wrongly, I only care about beating the big boys. Beating hens gives me no joy. State needs a new regime, maths say so.

So you can argue the O Coordinators and specifically the QB coach need to go with him.

 

[PSUHarry]

The "maths" tells me that we'd owe a $50 million+ buyout today if we fired the coach of the 6th ranked team in the country. It's such a ridiculous discussion to be having today when everything is still in front of us this season.

And how to do live in such a black and white world that every team we play is either a top 5 team, or Delaware? You get no joy from beating teams like Wisconsin, Iowa, Nebraska...or playoff games on our way to the semifinal?

And "zero evidence" of "in game adjustments"? You saw no difference in our offense between the 1st 3 quarters, and the 4th? The offense started out like crap, but that seemed to be one thing that we got right on Saturday night.

Hey be careful with facts when speaking to him.

 

[laKavosiey-st lion]

Hey be careful with facts when speaking to him.

4-21 harry. That’s facts and maths you can’t argue with math

 

[PSUHarry]

4-21 harry. That’s facts and maths you can’t argue with math

Yeah you are definitely a math guy.

 

[laKavosiey-st lion]

Colin posted up the 4-21 graphic, is it not accurate maths? What am I missing?

 

[Erial_Lion]

Just so I'm clear, all of the time you spend hanging on the words of "Colin" have to be someone other than this guy, right? Which Colin is it that's full of insight and not some talking head looking for clicks?

 

[Midnighter]

Watched the tape again. K got outcoached but it was a typical big time game. One team had an advantage on offense, the other came back and took the lead. But it was a 3-3 game at half.

After rewatching, I had two big issues:

1) I would have gone for two at 17-16 only because I don't want to play Oregon in OT. College OT doesn't really indicate who has the better team. It's really a matter of pulling off a few plays or get a favorable matchup once or twice. Very lucky regardless of who wins.

2) The obvious OT interception call. Run the ball or go into the endzone. There were so many white jerseys against that sideline. It was ridiculous from a progressions pov.

Overall, a lot of crying all around. I get that but its exaggerated. Oregon has a fast squad, well-paid and talented. I suspect they go a long way this year. PSU isn't as far behind as you would believe. Too many cry baby posts on here.

Keep playing, get in the playoffs is the mantra imho.

Think the dismissing of ‘crybaby’ posts ignores the decade of losing these kinds of games. It’s not just one game - this game is just the latest in a long line of similar performances in prime time.

Don’t agree with going for two; but if you’re gonna do it, you do it then. Also punting from the O 36 was ridiculous. Game was very close and really shows PSU is in the mix this year. But it’s the decade of falling flat on the biggest stage year after year after year that people are tired of.

 

[SouthHalls410]

17-17 to force OT. You know what, I’m not going to get giddy over that. If our offense would’ve had a pulse and a brain, we would’ve been in control of that game and we wouldn’t have been put into a position to hope to win in OT. I am over moral victories and love you man moments.

 

[laKavosiey-st lion]

That be Colin

 

[donboy6499]

The worry here should be Iowa and Indiana, not Ohio State.

 

[Midnighter]

On premium, there's some really good discussion. No crying.

One poster noted differences in $$$ per loss. Franklin simply isn't beating teams that are very good and far more well paid. Recent program finances and NIL analysis puts PSU at 10-18, most likely 15. And they're losing time and time again to 1-10 NIL teams. Could be a Franklin problem but he's leading in nearly every game at some point and then losing. Again, could be a Franklin problem late in the game or are great teams beating him? I think it's a bit of both.

It was a Franklin problem before NIL was a thing. Back then it was facilities. Before that the O coordinator. Before that it was the AD. Before that another different O coordinator. Before that sanctions. There is one single constant.

 

[Midnighter]

You see his ceiling. He shows it to you ALL THE TIME. You just have to watch him. Also, why’s he getting a pass for looking like dog s the first 3 games (pre season) of the year. The O was a disjointed mess. That’s coaching.
i read over and over he was playing possum. Obviously not.

When people show you who they are, believe them. Seems simple.

 

[Midnighter]

This Oregon team is not great. PS made them look pretty good by being so bad.

Moore starting game #10 of his career.

 

[donboy6499]

I

17-17 to force OT. You know what, I’m not going to get giddy over that. If our offense would’ve had a pulse and a brain, we would’ve been in control of that game and we wouldn’t have been put into a position to hope to win in OT. I am over moral victories and love you man moments.

Don’t necessarily disagree if this were a one-off. But the list of games that more or less looked like that is piling up:

Every game in AA minus 2020.
Ohio State 2023
Ohio State 2024
Oregon 2025

The losing isn’t as bothersome if you are able to look at them and say, “Look you play at that level you win most games”. But that’s not a championship level O at any level. I saw someone on Twitter repost something from 2023 calling Penn State “Iowa with a finished basement”. That’s about right, and after coordinator after coordinator fails, the problems feel secular rather than cyclical against teams you might have to face 4 times in a playoff setting.

 

[laKavosiey-st lion]

When people show you who they are, believe them. Seems simple.

Colin says this very thing on his show at noon on fs1

 

[PSUFBFAN]

On premium, there's some really good discussion. No crying.

One poster noted differences in $$$ per loss. Franklin simply isn't beating teams that are very good and far more well paid. Recent program finances and NIL analysis puts PSU at 10-18, most likely 15. And they're losing time and time again to 1-10 NIL teams. Could be a Franklin problem but he's leading in nearly every game at some point and then losing. Again, could be a Franklin problem late in the game or are great teams beating him? I think it's a bit of both.

Penn State went 13-3 last year. Their 3 losses (which were all close games) were to the final ranked #1, #2, and #3 teams in the country. Anybody else play all 3 of those teams?

Penn State is 3-1 this year. The loss (in 2 OT) was to the current #2 team in the country.

Other than those games, Penn State has won every other game it has played. I would have liked to win one or more of those 4 games, but I can accept the losses if we're not dropping games to others.

 

[Warlerski]

Penn State went 13-3 last year. Their 3 losses (which were all close games) were to the final ranked #1, #2, and #3 teams in the country. Anybody else play all 3 of those teams?

Penn State is 3-1 this year. The loss (in 2 OT) was to the current #2 team in the country.

Other than those games, Penn State has won every other game it has played. I would have liked to win one or more of those 4 games, but I can accept the losses if we're not dropping games to others.

Ohio State played ND, PSU, Oregon twice and Texas.

 

[laKavosiey-st lion]

but I can accept the losses if we're not dropping games to Blue Hens