Didn’t know anyone but we definitely need more fire power and elite type of wrestlers at 157 and 165 if we’re going to hang with Iowa. Hopefully the 2 you mentioned will be an upgrade but I’m not holding my breath. I believe Edsell already beat out Facundo. I’m sure they will wrestle again and like your saying Cael will reevaluate after live matches against other opponents.
I was at the match .Cael didnt hold him back at all. In fact I didnt see Kerk for a while before his match. definitely Cael protecting his kid who is under the weather.Lehigh is in 2 days.
Never heard Edsell beat out Facundo. Pretty much known that the coaching staff would like redshirt , but that mihght change him depending how he does at the Scuffle. Mark Hall won the Scuffle and they pulled in shirt in January of that year. We need to face facts about 157, just no great internal options. When Berge left, it left a big hole. Joe Lee is a mystery to all of us.
Martinez gave Ball his leg the entire match, then tried WWE moves. Ball got a good win but Martinez gave away points.
Agreed. As long as Edsell keeps winning (8-0 over the last two seasons), there's no need to pull Facundo's shirt. I find it ironic that folks celebrate BB's close wins for his mental strength and overall toughness and then express so much concern with Edsell.
Has Dean given up any points so far? Once he clamps down it’s lights out. He is much better than I remember him being at Cornell. Legitimate contender for the crown.
He has outscored his opponents in 4 matches, 61-4. Impressive!
Completely different situations, IMO. Beau Bartlett was an elite prospect with incredible upside, possibly that of a multi-time national champion. Edsell is a tough kid who has been continually improving and while he's been very impressive thus far, one could argue he doesn't have the same extremely high ceiling. I think you can give Edsell a ton of respect and admiration for his progress and performance this season while still being more excited about Beau's potential upside. It's not an either/or or mutually exclusive positions, IMO.
I agree things will play out and I have faith in the process , Cael and this team. The flu and being understrength line up wise was last night was frustrating . Some of our guys really stepped up to get that win. Edsall, Ball , an obviously sick Nick, CStar and Dean were great and Beau did what he had to under pressure! Penn is good . The kids who wrestled for us gave it their all and we won the match. Plus it s December 3rd . Lehigh will be a challenge Sunday. Rec Hall, bonus points, health of our wrestlers etc will be key. The bigger pix concerning March to me hasn t changed much because of last night. Having said that , imo there will be big decisions that need to be made after the the College duals as well as continued individual development( ie. Beau) and one personnel move. These are coming and Cael will do what s right. Like you I agree Edsall s a great kid and very good wrestler. His win was key last night. But the bigger question is who gives us the most points come March? If it s Creighton, I ll be 100% in w him. I like his heart and what I see so far. But can he AA? or make Blood Rd? That s what we ll need. I m rooting for him to do so but I also know Alex is an elite talent. We just need to optimize our chances. Like at 125 , Shunk has great fight , great kid and is a good wrestler ( I appreciated all he does) but DH is the next level. He ll be key! 157? Biggest? . Whatever Joe s dealing w I hope he s ok! Things will play out. Still early . I say let s concentrate on Sunday and get the win w the team that s available . Long way to go!
Edsall said s competing at his lowest weight in his few years, and Beau is more of a 141, and both have been winning in similar fashion. Rankings should stop defining a guy once he starts competing. If you believe those HS rankings represent prospect of future success, once the results are in you evaluate the quality of the rankings, not evaluate the quality of results based on the rankings.
Max Dean is a freaking beast. Seems he’s going for bonus points in every match. Cael and staff has improved him big time. I’m convinced he’s going to be the National Champion at 197 this year. Heck he gets to train with DT and Bo. Should be a great recruiting pitch as well.
I believe Penn students could go for free. Not surprised there weren’t all that many. 8,500 for football homecoming with Princeton, and maybe 3-4,000 for basketball. As a generalization, Penn students don’t care about Penn athletics.
And Beard. And Kerk. And Cael. Max looks incredibly strong, incredibly mean, and incredibly focused.
I am in no way down on BB for not shooting enough. I think it's mildly worrisome that he can't find his neutral offense. IMO, he looks tentative because the 149 lbers are stronger (he probably has a strength advantage at 41) and longer than him, and he knows his best chances are to use his superior quickness to counter, his conditioning, and his strong top and bottom games rather than getting himself in difficult positions off shots. In some ways, you really have to feel for and/or appreciate BB. At almost any other school, he'd be wrestling 141 and could be a serious contender. His only opportunity to wrestle this year and last is/was at 149, and he wants the opportunity. He's an incredibly talented wrestler and if he can just find that "go-to" move in neutral, he's going to have a great year. Otherwise, I think he'll have a good year with a ton of close matches.
Agree. BB is really a 133 or max 141 ponder. He’s wayyy too short to beat the top 5 guys who will use leverage. Hopefully he goes 141 next season.
Again, 141 is his ideal weight for certain, but that does NOT preclude him from being successful at 149 this season. He’s strong, talented, has a limitless gas tank and has shown an ability to be clutch in tight matches late. Still expecting big things from Beau this season including plenty of points at NCAAs. When Lee graduates next year Beau will be tremendously successful at 141.
Frank Molinaro was NCAA runner up and Champ at 149 and was 5' 5". Just pointing out height and success.
Frank Molinaro was 5'5" NCAA champ and runner-up any 14i9. Beau id 5'7". Zain was 5'8". Yanni 5'5" I'm just pointing out height and success at this weight. Don't count him out due to height.
He is in his first real full year at 149. No one really knows what is in store for Beau. I never said he was Zain or Frank. The discussion I responded to was about his height being too small to compete successfully at this weight. I'm disagreeing with that logic. PS has had a lot of recent success with people of the same size, which is why to gave Zain and Frank as examples. Beau needs know excuses. He is doing fine.
Cael always has a plan, and he never shares it with us. He is 1000x smarter than any of us when it comes to wrestling, and he has moved Penn State ahead of Iowa in terms of national wrestling prominence, winning 8 of the last 9 (?) national championships. Keep in mind that he only has 9.9 scholarships to creatively maneuver, and he's got SVN and Facundo waiting in the wings. Not that he would ever ask for it, but give him the benefit of doubt. And I would say it's 97% certain that Marinelli will beat whoever we put out there - the real challenge is whether we can keep it to 3. Even if Evan Wick was here, Marinelli would be a heavy favorite. Facundo would be a big underdog. I actually think that if SVN was 100% and Cael put him out there, we'd have a shot to beat Young at 57.
Well said. 100% agree. We're lucky he hasn't left to go wrestle 141 somewhere else, and he'll have 2 or 3 years to kick *** at 141 starting next year.
Currently Intermat has Jonathan Millner, Max Murin, and Mike Carr at 8-10. I’ll take Beau in a big match over all of them.
