While I do not believe Kiel is coming (this thread will still gestate to 2-3 pages), I do think that this is a perfect time for a QB spring transfer to come to UK with a new OC, new offense and new QB coach. And, only one college scholly QB on campus who HS had very limited minutes.
QB Gunner Kiel to UK??
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Pulley had whole other issues than being a dumb teenager pulling stupid stunts. Maybe you didn't play football and that is why you don't understand, but if you are pretty sure your not going to be playing in a game your focus on off-the-field activities just isn't as strong. Barker is where Towles was his SO year right now. A little experience but still very early in his career.
Is that comment about Towles supposed to make me feel better? I'm hoping you're talking about maturity.
Perhaps you're lack of football experience has caused you to not understand that there are about 30-40 guys on that roster who were in the same position as Barker in terms of the depth chart and still managed to avoid getting involved in the stupidity that he did. Maybe that only relates to QBs?
Also this notion that him entering his redshirt Freshman season equates to him not playing is silly. He was going to be no worse than second string and was only behind a QB who basically crapped himself the second half of the prior season. He had an opportunity to play.
His immaturity is why he got involved in that stupidity, not due to a lack of playing time. The real question is whether or he will mature fast enough to avoid these things by this summer.
Regardless of all of this, I'm not convinced that he is going to be the answer on the field and he is the only option to this point. Not only does he need to grow up, but he also needs to get dramatically better than anything we've seen since Hartline in 2010 or else the next season is going to be catastrophic.
Awesome, and chase Barker out to join the conga line of transferring quarterbacks. If you are Drew why would you stay if your competition has more experience, more seniority, and has actually played for your new QB coach & Offensive coordinator?
hey I think our QB situation is desperate, but Kiel would only make things worst not better. get the Juco kid, hopefully Jones is serviceable as a practice player this year.
That was my immediate thought as well. Willievic just described our entire basketball team for the past few years...
If that little bit chases Drew Barker off, then he won't survive as a SEC QB at UK anyways. I'm sorry, that's a pathetic excuse for not wanting to take a QB in. I would hope that kid has a little more moxie than to be chased off by a little competition. As a QB, you have to be a leader, have some ego that you're the best even if you aren't.
Obviously we won't get Kiel and Johnson both nor would we want to (most likely) We need at least one QB other than Barker who will be ready to take snaps on the second play of the season.( provided we keep Barker out of fights where he is overmatched and away from air guns) that was meant as a joke, but after review he does have to stay out of any more scrapes, he is 0-2 for the years he has been here and next season is a long way off.
My God man I don't think anything will make you feel better.
"Maybe that only relates to QB's"? Did you miss the fact that Barker wasn't alone either time when he was acting stupid? That other teammates were charged as well? That doesn't work in your post though does it?
Do you think I have no understanding of immaturity? or how structure is very important to immature young men? How that structure is more pronounced when you are playing in a game rather than riding the bench?
You can feel all squeamish about the QB situation if you so desire but don't act like you have a monopoly on understanding how young, dumb, and full of comedy teenage boys can act at times----you don't.
Barker's foolishness was remarkably insignificant compared to what a lot of college athletes find themselves getting into. Did you hear about the cheerleader who died from heroin in a UL's athletes room? NoW that is significant.
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There could have been a bit of tongue in cheek in there somewhere. But while we are on the subject the two aren't as exclusive as some seem to want them to be. I have been a fan of both since the late 50's and have never found it to be difficult at all.
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Let me rephrase, works fine in basketball ....most of the time
Ordinarily yes - but not in this situation, IMO, given i) the exact baggage the kid supposedly carries (not all baggage is created equal) and ii) the soap opera drama within the lockerrom this past season. Given what we have to work with at QB, if this was a kid who'd made some stupid mistakes and we were otherwise a veteran, stable environment - yep, take him, of course. But that's not where we are...
Nah, he got the best class, that's all he can do. Sometimes the overall high school crop is just weak....
Would anyone be shocked if Stephen Johnson ended up being the UK starting QB sometime in 2016 ??
The best scenario for this program would be Drew Barker taking the reins and rolling with this new offensive staff. Having to resort to other alternatives will tell us that this team is even further away from breaking out of our cycle of mediocrity.
You don't take on a kid that has transferred every year he's played unless the situation is so dire that you are desperate.
You don't take on a kid that has transferred every year he's played unless the situation is so dire that you are desperate.
Don't get this at all. It's as if we cannot do better than Barker.
The more competition the better. If someone is better than Barker for 2016, UK will be better in 2016 & imo, beyond, with a more mature Barker in 2017 plus likely even better recruiting.
The best scenario will be a QB that successfully runs what Gran wants and stays healthy. I do not care what he is named.
How does anyone know that Kiel can put up the numbers he did at UC in the SEC?
If he was so much further ahead of Barker, why didn't our new coaches bring him with them?
Why are we bringing in a Juco QB if the new OC wants Kiel?
I would be shocked if he ended up here.
If he was so much further ahead of Barker, why didn't our new coaches bring him with them?
Why are we bringing in a Juco QB if the new OC wants Kiel?
I would be shocked if he ended up here.
Wrong. When your depth is a true freshman you take the best players you can get. It's not an indictment of Barker's ineptitude. We need depth. Preferably talented depth.
I would say that he could. In 2014, he put up 352 yards, 4 touchdowns, 0 interceptions and completed 65% of his passes against Ohio State, and he did that with Cincinnati's talent against Ohio State's talent (in case you already forgot, tOSU won the championship).
Put up 523 yards and 4 touchdowns (2 interceptions) against Houston this season.
I'd say the kid is more than capable at putting up a lot of points on SEC defenses. He's done a lot more with less next to him at Cinci.
Aside from that being said, I agree that I don't think he'll end up here. I question the fit. We have a QB similar to him in Drew Barker, and the new offensive staff like Barker a lot. Hinshaw absolutely raved about him.
We need a QB like Stephen Johnson though. A dual-threat guy with the ability to read defenses pre-snap, and be a serious threat in the read-option, while still being able to make the necessary throws at a nice clip.
That's why we are bringing in the Juco QB, not a kid that has had personal problems and transferred every year he has played.
Not "holier than thou", just think that our own staff even realizes that Kiel would not be the best option for our team at this time. JMHO
I want to win!! However, if our own coaching staff doesn't think he is the answer, why should I want him?
I want to win!! However, if our own coaching staff doesn't think he is the answer, why should I want him?
Not gonna happen, IMO, regardless of the reasons, so no reason to complain about hypothetical reasons.
But, we need to get to page three!!!!
But, we need to get to page three!!!!
Our coaching staff has 2 years left to do something. It's time to stop slapping dic#s, and start pounding some @ss.
I don't know how many of you actually watched him this year, but I did. To me, he's a faster reacting Towles. He throws more interceptions then I like from a qb, has a tendency to overthrow, and doesn't hit receivers in stride nearly enough. He also takes alot of dangerous shots into heavy coverage. Add in the baggage and he's not a player I want leading our young team.
Barker will be fine now that Gran & Hinshaw are his teachers. Also a much better o. line in front of him!
Also will help when the diva receivers are weeded out!
Also will help when the diva receivers are weeded out!
After reading the first few posts of this thread. Are you all kidding me? We have no depth at QB right now. It couldn't be a more ideal situation than to have him come here for a year and possibly have barker learn a few things from Kiel before it becomes his time. We have huge QB problems right now, which could very well likely be the demise of our team this coming season. If our QB play isn't improved this season, we will go 4-8 or 5-7. All these QB problems could be fixed with the addition of Kiel, plus he already knows the system so there wouldn't be a transition phase at all in the least bit for this offense this coming season.
I think if he comes here it could be the difference between us goin 7-5 instead of 4-8 next season. Damn good QB that I would be more than happy to welcome to the BBN with open arms. Hope to god he comes here, not a single legit reason as to why we shouldn't take him. Do we have anyone on our roster near as good as him? Definitely not at this moment in time. We haven't had a QB like this since Woodson if he does indeed decide to come to UK. Everyone who's against it must really not care if we win next season or not.
I think if he comes here it could be the difference between us goin 7-5 instead of 4-8 next season. Damn good QB that I would be more than happy to welcome to the BBN with open arms. Hope to god he comes here, not a single legit reason as to why we shouldn't take him. Do we have anyone on our roster near as good as him? Definitely not at this moment in time. We haven't had a QB like this since Woodson if he does indeed decide to come to UK. Everyone who's against it must really not care if we win next season or not.
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All the transferring around that guys do these days bugs me. I don't like the graduate transfer rule at all. I hate seeing that kid at Oregon who used to be at EWU. I hate that I am going to have to watch that kid win a NC at Bama.
I know it is sometimes legitimate and for good reasons, but I think you should have to sit out a year no matter what unless you go down to AA.
I know it is sometimes legitimate and for good reasons, but I think you should have to sit out a year no matter what unless you go down to AA.
Also, I think some of you all are drastically underselling what Drew Baker can do. He is a supremely talented kid with some off the field issues as a freshman and basically zero real experience. Give him time to grow as a man and as a QB and I think you'll enjoy him as the QB here. Also, with Hinshaw as his coach now look for him to make huge strides in every aspect of his game.
i think barker can/will be great. But if we could get Kiel. It would be dumb not to get him. A winning season and a bowl game is a must for stoops this year and for job security's sake if getting Kiel gives us the best chance to win. And if he wants to come here. Then there would be absolutely no reason to not snag him up. I think barker will be a damn good QB, but he's bout to be a sophomore with practically no game experience. I also feel like it was real dumb playing towles all season long and not giving barker more looks earlier in the season. But it is what is it. If Kiel comes here it could give barker someone to learn from.
Obviously not comparing the talent of the 2 situations as far as talent goes but I think it paid huge dividends for Rodgers sitting behind Favre til his time came. I don't think sitting behind towles really helped barker's advancement in anyway. I've watched Kiel play a lot and he's a damn good QB. If we can somehow get him it could be the difference between going to a bowl or not. Definitely gives us a better chance. It's exactly what stoops needs right now, any advantage he can get he needs to get. Fingers crossed we get Kiel could be an electrifying, break thru season if we do. I like barker and I think he will be great but we really can't expect much more out of him than being a game manager at this point in his career. With Kiel we can/would be aggressive on offense. Would be fun.