Question about MSU/OKSt

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Would MSU fans consider this the biggest non-conference game in years? I can't remember State playing a big neutral site game like this in a long time, if ever.

This is for a "too early" 2013 preview for tomorrow and I want to include the game in my Top 15.
 

missouridawg

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As far as a non-conference nuetral site game on

a big national stage with a national audience... I'm not sure we've had a bigger one in my 13 years of followin MSU.

We've played home-and-homes with GaTech, Houston, WVA, and BYU all in that time frame... but I'm not sure any of them were as big as what the OK-State game will be in regards to a national audience.
 

FlabLoser

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It is the only neutral site non-bowl game I can remember other than Arkansas' annual torture in Little Rock and the games that used to be in Jackson instead of on campus.

Did we play Bama at Legion field some in the 80's? I'm not sure.

These early season not-bowl games pay like bowl games and have bowl game quality matchups to perk the nation's interest early and get an early jump on TV ratings.

I'm not sure if that's good or bad. Probably good because college football has been struggling financially. Its good to have that financial boost.**
 

esplanade91

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a big national stage with a national audience... I'm not sure we've had a bigger one in my 13 years of followin MSU.

We've played home-and-homes with GaTech, Houston, WVA, and BYU all in that time frame... but I'm not sure any of them were as big as what the OK-State game will be in regards to a national audience.
Add Oregon to that list.
 

PBRME

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The last schedule we played against quality, ranked ooc opponents was 2009. Which coincidentally was the last year we didn't qualify for a bowl game. 17 tougher schedules, give me wins.
 

Spidey.sixpack

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Would MSU fans consider this the biggest non-conference game in years? I can't remember State playing a big neutral site game like this in a long time, if ever.

This is for a "too early" 2013 preview for tomorrow and I want to include the game in my Top 15.

I think this is one of the biggest in years simply because it is an early season neutral site game on TV and it shows that MSU has garnered some respect.
 

engie

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It is the only neutral site non-bowl game I can remember other than Arkansas' annual torture in Little Rock and the games that used to be in Jackson instead of on campus.

Did we play Bama at Legion field some in the 80's? I'm not sure.

Let us not forget our two home games against Florida that LT sold to 17'n Tampa and Orlando in Felker's 2nd to last year and Jackie's first year. We decided it was a good idea to keep that AD another 16 years after that decision.**
 

dawgs.sixpack

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The last schedule we played against quality, ranked ooc opponents was 2009. Which coincidentally was the last year we didn't qualify for a bowl game. 17 tougher schedules, give me wins.

it was also the last season we competed and nearly beat some of the sec elites. i'm sick of beating up on crap non-conference opponents and then getting embarrassed when we are ranked and get destroyed by the sec elites. at some point you have to take off the training wheels and play some real non-conference teams. if in mullen year 5 we can't play a good, but not great non-conference program without fear of it costing us a bowl, then maybe it's time to move on. i don't give a crap whether we play in the gator bowl or the bbva compass bowl or the music city bowl or whatever either. now it would make a difference if we could take the next step into the BCS/cotton bowl/capitol one bowl levels, but if we are good enough to get in those bowls, we are good enough to not duck decent non-conference opponents.
 

FlabLoser

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Let us not forget our two home games against Florida that LT sold to 17'n Tampa and Orlando in Felker's 2nd to last year and Jackie's first year. We decided it was a good idea to keep that AD another 16 years after that decision.**


I don't know why you put sarcasterics there.

But anyway...other neutral site examples brought up here have all been pseudo-neutral. As in still in one school's home state.

I can't think of another real neutral non-bowl game that State has played in.
 

Lawdawg.sixpack

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We played OK State home-and-home back in 98-99 I think. Each team won at home. I remember Dorsett Davis sacking their athletic QB in Starkville, VERY impressive for a guy his size.

I don't recall us ever playing a big non-con game at a neutral site either.

Video from the last game - shoutout to 2PLO4SHO.

 

xxxWalkTheDawg

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Define years. It hasn't been that long since we played home and home with a strong Houston team at the time and Ga Tech. But last big name OOC team would have been West Virginia in what. 04 and 05?

Edit: it was 06 and 07. West Virginia won the Fiesta Bowl in 07 and Gator in 06. That is your last big name OOC opponent. Of course Oregon was in the early 00's.
 
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johnson86-1

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it was also the last season we competed and nearly beat some of the sec elites. i'm sick of beating up on crap non-conference opponents and then getting embarrassed when we are ranked and get destroyed by the sec elites. at some point you have to take off the training wheels and play some real non-conference teams. if in mullen year 5 we can't play a good, but not great non-conference program without fear of it costing us a bowl, then maybe it's time to move on. i don't give a crap whether we play in the gator bowl or the bbva compass bowl or the music city bowl or whatever either. now it would make a difference if we could take the next step into the BCS/cotton bowl/capitol one bowl levels, but if we are good enough to get in those bowls, we are good enough to not duck decent non-conference opponents.

Right, it was the lack of OOC competition that made us lose to good SEC teams, not having mediocre talent because we wasted two years trying to recruit cleanly. It couldn't possibly be that going to bowls, along with pulling our head out of our *** in recruiting (which we did starting last year) will make it easier to upgrade talent so that we can compete against elite teams. All we need is a tougher schedule and our two star recruits will improve enough to beat national championship contenders.
 

dawgs.sixpack

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Right, it was the lack of OOC competition that made us lose to good SEC teams, not having mediocre talent because we wasted two years trying to recruit cleanly. It couldn't possibly be that going to bowls, along with pulling our head out of our *** in recruiting (which we did starting last year) will make it easier to upgrade talent so that we can compete against elite teams. All we need is a tougher schedule and our two star recruits will improve enough to beat national championship contenders.

hey my correlation made about as much sense as the correlation between the last time we played a decent OOC opponent being the last time we missed a bowl.

that said, the jackson st's and troy st's and mtsu's just don't prepare you for the better SEC teams. i'm not saying you have to play all high end BCS teams out of conference. i'm not saying we need to play the elites of the CFB world. but there is nothing wrong with playing 1 (ONE!!) game against a decent non-conference opponent. nothing. it puts us on tv. it either gives us early momentum, or it lets the players and coaches see more critically the flaws in the team instead of sleepwalking through 7 weeks and getting flattened by a mack truck. we did play better v. lsu this year, but i think that probably had a lot to do with us addressing flaws that really weren't exposed until we faced bama and a&m. it gives us a game in a recruiting hot bed that we need to hit hard and is now part of the sec footprint. what's the worst case scenario? we go 5-7 instead of 6-6 and a bbva bowl bid? boohoo, we shouldn't be needing 4 gimme Ws out of conference just to hope that we get a bid to one fo the worst bowl games, not in year 5 of mullen. i don't wanna artifically prop up mullen's record so that we keep him around for year and year while he manages to schedule his way to 6 Ws and we can't really fire him because he's taking us to bowl games. i wanna know whether he's gonna get to the point of beating good teams, not whether he can take us to a bunch of crappy to mediocre bowls by beating only beating the crappy teams on our schedule.
 

Maroon Eagle

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It's probably the biggest non-conference regular season game since MSU played Texas in '91 & '92 or even arguably at USM in '89 the week after the Eagles upset Florida State-- please note that other nonconference teams were ranked, it's just that it seems that MSU wasn't as good at that same time-- at least that what it seemed like to me-- which is why I mention those instead of West Virginia, Oregon, Georgia Tech, or the home game versus BYU. As far as neutral site games are concerned, I'd have to say it's the biggest game since hmm... maybe 1981 versus USM in Jackson. Edit to add: I forgot about the games against Oklahoma State in the late 1990s. Those would be the most recent.
 
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johnson86-1

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hey my correlation made about as much sense as the correlation between the last time we played a decent OOC opponent being the last time we missed a bowl.

...i'm not saying we need to play the elites of the CFB world. We DO play the elites of the CFB world. This is as easy a schedule as we're likely to see for a while and we still played three top 15 teams. Other conferences call that a brutal schedule.
...it lets the players and coaches see more critically the flaws in the team instead of sleepwalking through 7 weeks and getting flattened by a mack truck. Starting with 7 easy games is not good, but we usually won't have 7 easy games on our schedule, and if we do it's unlikely they'll be the first 7 games, so this isn't really a problem.,
what's the worst case scenario? we go 5-7 instead of 6-6 and a bbva bowl bid? Bowl practices matter, so there is a big difference between 6-6 and 5-7.
boohoo, we shouldn't be needing 4 gimme Ws out of conference just to hope that we get a bid to one fo the worst bowl games, not in year 5 of mullen. Just because you can count to five does not mean it's time to 17 ourselves in recruiting. We know Mullen screwed up recruiting for two years. Judging from last year and this year, it seems he has figured out the problem, but it still seems likely it's going to limit our progress for one more year. If we schedule easy OOC games and it turns out we were better than we thought, we will still play somewhere between two and five top 15 teams.
i don't wanna artifically prop up mullen's record so that we keep him around for year and year while he manages to schedule his way to 6 Ws and we can't really fire him because he's taking us to bowl games. We don't have to be dubmasses. If in 3 years, we're not to the point where we consistently have 3 to 4 wins on our SEC schedule, even in the years we have a tough draw, we'll be able to make a decision on Mullen, and if we feel like we have to have some losing years to fire him, we can schedule for them at that time. No need to start now when it seems like he has addressed or is working to address all the problems he has (with the possible exception of offensive play calling).
i wanna know whether he's gonna get to the point of beating good teams, Guess what, probably not next year. It sucks but you can't have mediocre recruiting and win big in the SEC. We don't need to schedule ourselves out of a bowl game to prove that teams with more talent are generally going to beat us, whether mullen is our coach or not.

OKSt may end up being a good thing for us next year. It's not out of the question that we will improve. But our line, despite being a year older, will likely still not be good enough to compete against Bama or LSU. A&M will drop off, but maybe not enough for us to beat them. Auburn and Arkansas could be much improved next year. USCe will probably be tougher next year than UT was this year. UM should be better. That's 7 teams that could easily beat us. Scheduling OkSt for next year was simply an unnecessary risk for us at this time.
 

PBRME

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hey my correlation made about a much sense as the correlation between the last time we played a decent OOC opponent being the last time we missed a bowl.

that said, the jackson st's and troy st's and mtsu's just don't prepare you for the better SEC teams. i'm not saying you have to play all high end BCS teams out of conference. i'm not saying we need to play the elites of the CFB world. but there is nothing wrong with playing 1 (ONE!!) game against a decent non-conference opponent. nothing. it puts us on tv. it either gives us early momentum, or it lets the players and coaches see more critically the flaws in the team instead of sleepwalking through 7 weeks and getting flattened by a mack truck. we did play better v. lsu this year, but i think that probably had a lot to do with us addressing flaws that really weren't exposed until we faced bama and a&m. it gives us a game in a recruiting hot bed that we need to hit hard and is now part of the sec footprint. what's the worst case scenario? we go 5-7 instead of 6-6 and a bbva bowl bid? boohoo, we shouldn't be needing 4 gimme Ws out of conference just to hope that we get a bid to one fo the worst bowl games, not in year 5 of mullen. i don't wanna artifically prop up mullen's record so that we keep him around for year and year while he manages to schedule his way to 6 Ws and we can't really fire him because he's taking us to bowl games. i wanna know whether he's gonna get to the point of beating good teams, not whether he can take us to a bunch of crappy to mediocre bowls by beating only beating the crappy teams on our schedule.

I hope you enjoy sitting at home during bowl season then because you can't count on Auburn and Arkansas down for long. We play in the toughest conference in the nation. We don't get extra points by making our schedule any tougher.