If Greg had stayed what would be different about our athletic dept. today ? I`m asking this because I really don`t know whether things would be better or worse but I suspect some things would be different. What say you ?
Question for the board : Greg Byrne
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Byrne hired Cohen and Mullen, so those programs would probably be in a similar state. Basketball is where you might have seen something different happen.
It would be better.
If he was still here, something would have been done with LT's existence at their offices. Also, he wouldn't have hired Rick Ray. He would have listened to certain coffers that have a name on a building next to the Hump. Greg was not afraid to step up and make a decision-right or wrong.
If he was still here, something would have been done with LT's existence at their offices. Also, he wouldn't have hired Rick Ray. He would have listened to certain coffers that have a name on a building next to the Hump. Greg was not afraid to step up and make a decision-right or wrong.
Byrne is like Hud. If he were still here everything would be great. We know this because HUD.**
About the same, really. To me they seem to be cut from the same mold in terms of concentrating on fan experience and getting us noticed. Because that involves a lot of experimentation, you get some great stuff and some flops. I loved Byrne, but people forget about things like the new logos (I like them but many hate them), Vroom Maroon (thanks for killing it, jcdawgman), and the baseball scoreboard misspelling (contractor's fault but people would tear Stricklin apart if the same happened under him).
I like them both. (I like Hud too, for the record.)
About the same, really. To me they seem to be cut from the same mold in terms of concentrating on fan experience and getting us noticed. Because that involves a lot of experimentation, you get some great stuff and some flops. I loved Byrne, but people forget about things like the new logos (I like them but many hate them), Vroom Maroon (thanks for killing it, jcdawgman), and the baseball scoreboard misspelling (contractor's fault but people would tear Stricklin apart if the same happened under him).
I like them both. (I like Hud too, for the record.)
Exactly
Byrne is better than Stricklin. Hudspeth is better than Mullen. Backup QB is better than starter. Etc etc etc...and on and on and on.
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Byrne is better than Stricklin. Hudspeth is better than Mullen. Backup QB is better than starter. Etc etc etc...and on and on and on.
-The MSU Fanbase
Never understood the deification of Byrne other than he was the anti Larry Templeton. Anybody would have fired the incompetent Croom. Dan Mullen is a work in progress. Yeah he went toe to toe with Ron Polk but he also stabbed Raffo in the back when he was promised the State job. Most people don't realize John Cohen was almost fired after his first two years at State not because of his record, but because of how he treated people. There were a lot of people who talked to Cohen who told him if he kept treating players and others like crap he was gone. To his credit John has heeded that advice somewhat.
Another thing about Byrne, how many athlectic directors in the last 50 years in the sec have left after less than 2 years. Sec AD jobs are destination jobs, yet Byrne hightailed his *** out Starkville as soon as he could. He loved MSU so much. So please quit telling me about how great Byrne was. He used State like an damn old man used a corncob to wipe his ***. And no I'm not Lar Templeton. Didn't like him either.
Another thing about Byrne, how many athlectic directors in the last 50 years in the sec have left after less than 2 years. Sec AD jobs are destination jobs, yet Byrne hightailed his *** out Starkville as soon as he could. He loved MSU so much. So please quit telling me about how great Byrne was. He used State like an damn old man used a corncob to wipe his ***. And no I'm not Lar Templeton. Didn't like him either.
Are you a real person or just an internet troll? Surely you're not saying that Byrne should have hired raffo. No one is dumb enough to think raffo would have been a better hire. We went to the national championship game last year for the first time in any sport ever.
I don't know... Bryne has a lifetime of experience being in an athletic department (daddy) so I'd give him a substantial nod when it comes to things in an athletic department that actually matter to me. Strick's entire resume is the fundraising and media side of it. MSU's current state of affairs reflects that (jumbotron, jerseys, "We BeLiEvE!?!", Houston Astros, free iPad giveaway for showing up to basketball games instead of fixing the problem of fan support by just getting the coach everyone wanted).
Not trying to sound like everything would be totally awesome with Bryne. We'd probably be struggling in some important departments with Bryne too, but (and this is totally subjective and my own personal opinion) it just seems like it would be the areas I don't completely give a **** about. If Bryne > Strick wasn't true Scott would be making a lot more money and someone like Arizona would have already offered him a lot more than we are willing to pay. Cohen, Nilsson, and Mullen aren't Strick's, but the massive dump that has come from Mullen's staff is. For all of Scott's media savvyness he hasn't gotten the message about Bracky or the assistants and their salaries. Strick has been really great with Title XI though, if that is your cup of tea.
Not trying to sound like everything would be totally awesome with Bryne. We'd probably be struggling in some important departments with Bryne too, but (and this is totally subjective and my own personal opinion) it just seems like it would be the areas I don't completely give a **** about. If Bryne > Strick wasn't true Scott would be making a lot more money and someone like Arizona would have already offered him a lot more than we are willing to pay. Cohen, Nilsson, and Mullen aren't Strick's, but the massive dump that has come from Mullen's staff is. For all of Scott's media savvyness he hasn't gotten the message about Bracky or the assistants and their salaries. Strick has been really great with Title XI though, if that is your cup of tea.
Overall, all I can say is “wow” to this post.
On the specific topic of whether just anyone would’ve fired Croomz when Byrne did, I disagree. Maybe it seems like a no-brainer in hindsight, but there were a sizable number of people in our fan base that, for one reason or another, wanted to give Croomz one more year just so that we could make DAMN SURE that he truly was a lazy, incompetent buffoon. Does Stricklin fire him at that time, or give him one more year? We KNOW what LT would’ve done.
On the specific topic of whether just anyone would’ve fired Croomz when Byrne did, I disagree. Maybe it seems like a no-brainer in hindsight, but there were a sizable number of people in our fan base that, for one reason or another, wanted to give Croomz one more year just so that we could make DAMN SURE that he truly was a lazy, incompetent buffoon. Does Stricklin fire him at that time, or give him one more year? We KNOW what LT would’ve done.
I just wonder how he would have handled Dan`s apparent malaise the last half of last year on in to this year. I know there would be no talk of firing but I would bet he would be on Mullen`s *** to get his **** together.
take a look at this.......
and tell me what you see.
http://www.hrm.msstate.edu/orgchart/Athletics.pdf
and tell me what you see.
http://www.hrm.msstate.edu/orgchart/Athletics.pdf
That's not a fair argument. Did you get a DDS? It would be one thing if I was arguing Byrne knew how athletic departments were suppose to be run because his dad was a long lasting AD of a major D1 school when he was a dentist but I'm arguing that he knows how athletic departments are suppose to be run because his dad did so and he too is an AD. I understand where you're coming from (Kiffin has to be a good coach because his dad is one of the best DC's of all time?) but Byrne IS a good AD and his background in athletic departments isn't from the ranks of social media and begging alumni for money.
I think Strick is a decent AD. Nothing more, nothing less. He's one of the better in our school's history but that's not really saying much, is it? We're not going to convince many high profile AD's to switch jobs and come to MSU. He's a safe pick. In that sense I don't think we're going to step out on any limbs and take chances... so in a way he might be more like LT than the ninja but the ninja was probably a lot more comfortable taking chances knowing he didn't have any deep ties to MSU and was likely going to take the first major D1 offer he got.
I think Strick is a decent AD. Nothing more, nothing less. He's one of the better in our school's history but that's not really saying much, is it? We're not going to convince many high profile AD's to switch jobs and come to MSU. He's a safe pick. In that sense I don't think we're going to step out on any limbs and take chances... so in a way he might be more like LT than the ninja but the ninja was probably a lot more comfortable taking chances knowing he didn't have any deep ties to MSU and was likely going to take the first major D1 offer he got.
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Most intriguing (if your point is Bracky's position on the org chart.)
Side note: what's with coaches of different sports answering to different senior associate ADs with various support portfolios? That chart indicates that Mullen answers directly to Stricklin, Ray and Neil Macdonald to Duncan McKenzie, Cohen to Mike Nemeth, Steve Dudley to Bo Hemphill, etc. That seems odd to me. Maybe I'm just used to military organizations where operations are under one structure and various support activities in others.
Side note: what's with coaches of different sports answering to different senior associate ADs with various support portfolios? That chart indicates that Mullen answers directly to Stricklin, Ray and Neil Macdonald to Duncan McKenzie, Cohen to Mike Nemeth, Steve Dudley to Bo Hemphill, etc. That seems odd to me. Maybe I'm just used to military organizations where operations are under one structure and various support activities in others.