Question?

tcdog

Redshirt
Mar 23, 2012
50
0
0
If we had a man on first and no outs JC makes Renfroe bunt the man to second, Right? So we have 1st and 3td and no outs, why not bunt the runner home and still move the runner to second? Refroe has a large propensity to K, I'll take the run and move the runner.
 

engie

Freshman
May 29, 2011
10,747
92
48
Your either going straight squeeze or sacrifice squeeze. Both are very risky plays, especially when the runner at 3rd is potentially the winning run.

Straight squeeze relies on batter getting the bunt down, where he's essentially stealing home. Third basemen are taught to yell this out upon the runner breaking(on the start of a pitchers motion). Good pitchers are then taught to throw, depending on what pitch was called(what their grip is) the fastball head high and offspeed just above the ground(or in the dirt if you have supreme confidence in your catcher). This makes the ball extremely hard to bunt and often gets you a cheap out at home if the batter is not an EXTREMELY good bad pitch bunter. This is why it is RARE to see a true suicide squeeze. It's almost always only done with a good baserunner at third and one of your best bunters at the plate.

Sacrifice squeeze relies on the batter getting the bunt down(on the 3rd base side of the infield due to the distance of the throw, thus giving a runner longer to break home before the ball reaches first) and forcing the pitcher/3b to field the ball, while the runner at 3rd cheats down the line, and breaks home upon the throw to first. This is more reliable than a straight squeeze, but is still rolling the dice, because it is VERY susceptible to a pump fake to first, especially when a team suspects it is coming. We used to run a wheel play where we broke the 3rd baseman early, giving the runner at 3rd confidence to get a bigger secondary lead, but we'd wheel the shortstop in behind the runner at 3b once positive the ball would be bunted(isn't a slash). Then, the pitcher/3b pumpfake to first, the runner either goes or at the very least extends their lead, and you've got them dead at third when executed correctly. Worst case scenario, the runner at third stays close to home, and you've got the bases loaded and can now bring the corner infielders in(with 1 out) or all infielders in(with 0 outs) and have the force at home.

Like I say, both are risky plays. It's easy to second guess in hindsight simply because it didn't work and Renfroe k'd. I agree that we're getting FAR too many k's in these key situations where we just need balls in play, which IMO is largely due to the inexperience and the injuries in our lineup. We do not have a single healthy bat in the lineup right now that has greater than 1 yr worth of starting experience on the d1 level...
 

tcdog

Redshirt
Mar 23, 2012
50
0
0
I'm just talking about a safety squeeze, where the batter bunts the ball to the right side and the runner trots home.
 

engie

Freshman
May 29, 2011
10,747
92
48
in this situation, unless you have an absolute stud baserunner on third.

The primary reasons being, the fielders are now facing the runner at third, so the runner can't cheat down the line as much in anticipation of the throw. It's also a shorter throw to first, leaving significantly(more than you'd think) less time for the runner to react and break home.

A good catcher/3b, with an athletic 1b can read this with tremendous accuracy, and fairly often make the "4" call, getting the 1b to give up the out at first to basically turn him into a relay guy back to the plate. Good throw + blocked plate = out at home.

Like I say, I just really don't like bunting in that situation. I'm not a huge fan of bunting period, if you subscribe to sabermetrics, which I do. That said, I haven't seen the specific breakdowns for our team, and I suspect that Cohen uses them to at least some extent... So I will bow to his approach.

While everyone has been killing him about the pitching decisions, and rightly so, I haven't heard anyone praise him for having true fr Casey at the plate with the game on the line, a guy with only 25 ab's on the season that came through bigtime for us in the clutch.

Renfroe will succeed in putting the ball hard in play in that situation more times than not in the future, of that I'm pretty confident.
 

drt7891

Redshirt
Dec 6, 2010
6,727
0
0
Where the batter hits down on the ball as close to AT the third baseman as possible (I know my grammar is awful there...). I've seen suicide squeeze plays and bunts in high school many times, but I cannot recall a time I've seen one in college ball. That's probably because many high school third baseman are not necessarily the sharpest guys on the team, so bunts or hits would be laid far enough down the line to force the third baseman to make the play, and even if he's coming forward in anticipation, will often times blow the play because he panics (that is, assuming a good bunter will force him to make the play) and goes to the wrong place. You don't see that in college because infielders are far better. <div>
</div><div>Also, I've seen more straight steals of home in college and pro ball than I have suicide squeezes of any kind. Too much can go wrong in a suicide. </div>
 

engie

Freshman
May 29, 2011
10,747
92
48
Safety squeezes are pretty rare as well, at least late in games when the runner at third is a KEY run. Early in games it's used quite a bit, because the defense is more keyed on the "easy" out, and that allows the play to succeed when the execution of the bunter is less than perfect. Late in the game, in a likely "bunting situation"(with the wheel play most likely on), a safety squeeze is not all that much safer than a suicide, unless you have a top notch bunter at the plate and a top notch baserunner at third.