Ralph will be our QB in 2011...
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We're averaging 15 points a game in SEC play this year.
Russell starts, Relf plays more than he did in '09, but in a similar role.
We'll win less games in '11 if Relf starts.
Russell starts, Relf plays more than he did in '09, but in a similar role.
We'll win less games in '11 if Relf starts.
57StratDawg said:
Ralph is the better QB today when you look at all aspects
Ralph will be the better QB in 2011 when you look at all aspects
We wont be as good with Russell at QB..we may score on more big plays- but we will also be less effective running and turn it over more
he's got about 1/3 that number this year.He's played the best game of his life tonight, and we're about to get beat. If it wasn't for a miracle win at UF (with 10 f*cking points BTW) everyone would hate him.
He's making your predictions look stupid coach. Why do you keep defending him?
He's making your predictions look stupid coach. Why do you keep defending him?
somebody threw 30 out there, I said that was reasonable- I NEVER said he would have 30 TD's...
You must think Dan Mullen's a dumbass? Because Mullen keeps playing him and doesnt even think about playing Russell...Do you think Mullen's a dumbass?
If the coaching staff thought Russell was going to be our QB next season- Russell would be playing more snaps- I promise you that
You must think Dan Mullen's a dumbass? Because Mullen keeps playing him and doesnt even think about playing Russell...Do you think Mullen's a dumbass?
If the coaching staff thought Russell was going to be our QB next season- Russell would be playing more snaps- I promise you that
and you completely chicken ******* out. It's even in their avatar now.
Relf blows. If It's year 3 under Dan Mullen and that's the best QB we can find, we're in trouble. He had a good game tonight, but has been completely inadequate in our other loses. Our D won't be as good next year and we won't win as many games if Relf is the starter.
Relf blows. If It's year 3 under Dan Mullen and that's the best QB we can find, we're in trouble. He had a good game tonight, but has been completely inadequate in our other loses. Our D won't be as good next year and we won't win as many games if Relf is the starter.
it was 500 and yes idiot- that's why I didnt accept the bet because I didnt predict he would do it nor did I think he would...I did think we would run our offense more like Tebow and he would get more goalline chances....I was wrong about that
Ralph will be the starter next because we dont have anybody better
Not to mention, we have scored 5 more TD's on offense this year than last...and he led us to 489 yards of offense tonight...31 points...it wasnt Ralph's fault we 17'ing lost
Ralph will be the starter next because we dont have anybody better
Not to mention, we have scored 5 more TD's on offense this year than last...and he led us to 489 yards of offense tonight...31 points...it wasnt Ralph's fault we 17'ing lost
If our receivers would of caught half the balls that hit off their chest our average would be much higher. When your playing top 20 teams each week your going to get a little of that. What would Ralph's average been had he played Boise schedule? Go Ralph.....
From what I hear, he throws better than Russell and Relf and can run better than Russell. Look for him to push these guys. He may never see the field due to his size, but the coaches really like the way he plays in practice.
Now go ahead and crucify my statement!
Now go ahead and crucify my statement!
Ralph went absolutely cold in the 3rd Q. Russell should have gone into the game because
1) He needs PT. Yet week after week goes by with no PT.
2) He might have sparked something with the change of gameplay and style that we'd have with him in there.
3) NOT because he's a better QB than Ralph. Russell simply brings something different to the table which might have gotten Arkansas out of their defensive rhythm for a while.
1) He needs PT. Yet week after week goes by with no PT.
2) He might have sparked something with the change of gameplay and style that we'd have with him in there.
3) NOT because he's a better QB than Ralph. Russell simply brings something different to the table which might have gotten Arkansas out of their defensive rhythm for a while.
you are probably correct.
Relf will never be able to pass well enough to get MSU to that next level. Book it.
Relf will never be able to pass well enough to get MSU to that next level. Book it.
All right, before I begin, this is the first time I've ever posted on a message board, so bear with me.
Yes, Relf did play his heart out last night. Yes, his fumble was the turning point in the game that shifted momentum drastically with that 10 point swing. I don't know which QB will be better next year. But I do know that Relf's pocket presence is terrible. He can't feel it collapsing at all. However, he is a very large man who can, at times, run over defensive backs, but he's not the "mack truck" that I've seen him called in these posts. He runs too upright to gain extra yards against linebackers and lineman...and that's usually when he fumbles.
My biggest beef with Relf is:
1) The aforementioned pocket awareness, or lack there of.
2) His inconsistent accuracy. It boggles the mind how he can, at times, thread the needle, but in the same game throw 5 yards over the head of a wide open receiver. He also throws picks when he under throws the ball, making the receivers who have their men beat come back to the ball. But, he'll overthrow them as well.
3) Why does he stutter step behind the line when he keeps it himself for a run? I'll never understand that. When he has a decent game of running he doesn't do this, as in the Ole Piss game last year. When he had great runs and yardage last night, he picked a hole early and exploded through it. When he's indecisive and thinking too much it's a half-yard gain or worse a three yard loss.
4) The drops that are blamed on the receivers are mostly due to under thrown, overthrown, and especially thrown behind or too far ahead of the slanting receiver. Case in point: The second or third to last play of the game. Perfect play call, poor execution. Would've been a TD to go into triple OT.
That being said, I don't think Russell has proven himself to be any better and I trust that Mullen knows who gives us the best chance to win. I'm not thrilled with the idea of Favre behind center either. We've been down the short QB road already: Lee. I'm not sure I want to go through that frustration again. Yet if he has some of the moxie of his uncle, minus the genital-texting of course, that could be a big plus.
Okay, off my soap box now. Three questions for the regulars:
1) What in the hell is this 17er, 17's, etc language mean?
2) Why are y'all consistently bitching at each other. Aren't we all on the same side here?
3) Apparently when one posts, there is a spell check option. Why is this never used?</p>
Yes, Relf did play his heart out last night. Yes, his fumble was the turning point in the game that shifted momentum drastically with that 10 point swing. I don't know which QB will be better next year. But I do know that Relf's pocket presence is terrible. He can't feel it collapsing at all. However, he is a very large man who can, at times, run over defensive backs, but he's not the "mack truck" that I've seen him called in these posts. He runs too upright to gain extra yards against linebackers and lineman...and that's usually when he fumbles.
My biggest beef with Relf is:
1) The aforementioned pocket awareness, or lack there of.
2) His inconsistent accuracy. It boggles the mind how he can, at times, thread the needle, but in the same game throw 5 yards over the head of a wide open receiver. He also throws picks when he under throws the ball, making the receivers who have their men beat come back to the ball. But, he'll overthrow them as well.
3) Why does he stutter step behind the line when he keeps it himself for a run? I'll never understand that. When he has a decent game of running he doesn't do this, as in the Ole Piss game last year. When he had great runs and yardage last night, he picked a hole early and exploded through it. When he's indecisive and thinking too much it's a half-yard gain or worse a three yard loss.
4) The drops that are blamed on the receivers are mostly due to under thrown, overthrown, and especially thrown behind or too far ahead of the slanting receiver. Case in point: The second or third to last play of the game. Perfect play call, poor execution. Would've been a TD to go into triple OT.
That being said, I don't think Russell has proven himself to be any better and I trust that Mullen knows who gives us the best chance to win. I'm not thrilled with the idea of Favre behind center either. We've been down the short QB road already: Lee. I'm not sure I want to go through that frustration again. Yet if he has some of the moxie of his uncle, minus the genital-texting of course, that could be a big plus.
Okay, off my soap box now. Three questions for the regulars:
1) What in the hell is this 17er, 17's, etc language mean?
2) Why are y'all consistently bitching at each other. Aren't we all on the same side here?
3) Apparently when one posts, there is a spell check option. Why is this never used?</p>
When he's good, he'd good, but when he's bad, he's awful.
A few bad passes and the fumble were the difference in the game, and they were passes that an SEC caliber qb should be making by now. So, maybe he's the "reason" we lost. On the other hand, he's the reason we were in it in the first place. Here's hoping that an extra year of experience will make the difference. I believe that's our best chance. Biggest worry is that the o-line probably won't be as good next year and he may not have a ton of time in the pocket like he did last night.</p>
A few bad passes and the fumble were the difference in the game, and they were passes that an SEC caliber qb should be making by now. So, maybe he's the "reason" we lost. On the other hand, he's the reason we were in it in the first place. Here's hoping that an extra year of experience will make the difference. I believe that's our best chance. Biggest worry is that the o-line probably won't be as good next year and he may not have a ton of time in the pocket like he did last night.</p>
for the "Russell should be getting more PT" crowd...don't y'all think he would be if Mullen thought it would help? I mean y'all don't think Mullen isn't playing him just for the hell of it? His lack of PT says one of two things; either TR isn't ready (and we don't have the WRs) or Mullen is and dubmass. I think Mullen isn't and dubmass, personally.
But he didn't do well at all in that game and looked scared. Relf has SEC experience, and after last night, I think Relf has the tools to run this offense effectively. He looked confident last night. If he can give us 200 passing yards a game next year, we can get 9 wins. The running will be there, but if he can consistently throw the ball, that will open up the run even more. Also, it's pretty amazing how good Relf looks when wide receivers catch the football.
things hurting TR is our pass blocking inefficiencies and the lack of big, physical WRs. I mean who's our biggest WR, Chris Smith? That guy (before last night) was very inconsistent catching the ball. He's just not anywhere close to a NFL caliber WR, at this point. I'm not knocking CS, just stating the facts. Our go to receivers are all small and not physical at all, to me. I really like the group of WR we are bringing in for, if nothing elses, their size.
is because of our win at Florida. If we were 2-5 and averaging 15 points a game in SEC games, this board would hate Chirs Relf. That UF win has masked how bad we've been on offense this year. I'm sure our stats are marginally better this year, but we haven't played NEAR the defenses we did in '09.
There is no way MSU will finish higher than 4th in the West next year with Relf as our QB. I'm not advocating TR starting more this year, just saying MSU has a real ceiling with Relf at QB. That ceiling will be there in 2011.
If we want to make a run at Atlanta next year, we better hope Russell (and the WRs) make some strides, because it isn't going to happen with Relf at QB.
There is no way MSU will finish higher than 4th in the West next year with Relf as our QB. I'm not advocating TR starting more this year, just saying MSU has a real ceiling with Relf at QB. That ceiling will be there in 2011.
If we want to make a run at Atlanta next year, we better hope Russell (and the WRs) make some strides, because it isn't going to happen with Relf at QB.
Were not the difference in the game. The difference in the game was our YAC vs their YAC. We were out of position and couldn't shed a
block to save our damn life. We allowed the running back of a passing team to rush for 180 yards. This was the other factor. I think our offense played well enough to win, not perfect but well. If the defense would have played like we have seen them play before we would not have been in the overtime situation. Fumbles and bad passes happen in every game for every team, but when our defense forgets to hit people and wrap up then its not normal.
block to save our damn life. We allowed the running back of a passing team to rush for 180 yards. This was the other factor. I think our offense played well enough to win, not perfect but well. If the defense would have played like we have seen them play before we would not have been in the overtime situation. Fumbles and bad passes happen in every game for every team, but when our defense forgets to hit people and wrap up then its not normal.