Rank the SEC Coaches

[markymark.sixpack]

1. Saban
2. Meyer
3. Richt
4. Petrino
5. Nutt
6. Spurrier
7. Mullen
8. Chizik
9. Miles
10. Johnson
11.The Joker
12. Dooley

I think 4-7 are pretty interchangable at this point, but Petrino, Nutt, and Spurrier get the nod due to past successes. Spurrier is at the bottom of those 3 due to his current track record at USC. Mullen could jump with a 7-5 or better season this year, especially if Nutt starts losing as the O's recruits phase out. Chizik's success is directly attributable to his hiring of Gus Malzahn so I don't rank him very high. Joker & Dooley are completely unproven at this point.

 

[markymark.sixpack]

1. Saban
2. Meyer
3. Richt
4. Petrino
5. Nutt
6. Spurrier
7. Mullen
8. Chizik
9. Miles
10. Johnson
11.The Joker
12. Dooley

I think 4-7 are pretty interchangable at this point, but Petrino, Nutt, and Spurrier get the nod due to past successes. Spurrier is at the bottom of those 3 due to his current track record at USC. Mullen could jump with a 7-5 or better season this year, especially if Nutt starts losing as the O's recruits phase out. Chizik's success is directly attributable to his hiring of Gus Malzahn so I don't rank him very high. Joker & Dooley are completely unproven at this point.

 

[jacksonreb1]

the love for petrino. when he wins in a real league ok but winning at lville ain't all that...as far as nutt and o's recruits..sorry to tell you but nutt has put together two classes rated as high as o's best (and i was a fan of o's recruiting) plus nutt's will actaully be in school. plus nutt's classes have had far better balance. we appear to be in a "gap" yr this yr but the issue of nutt's recruiting was put to bed this yr.

on others i'm not sold as much on richt as some. with the uga resources i'm thinking he should have better results. i'm intriqued by mullen. except for kicking our butts this yr and coming close to lsux like orgeron did twice....he's not delivered much new and his 39th ranked recruiting class isn't inspiring. but he may be the real deal. i don't see anybody i'd move ahead of him on your list though. it'll be interesting to see chizik without mazlan if he moves on.......

 

[Maroon Eagle]

1. Saban
2. Meyer
3. Richt
4.Spurrier
5.Petrino
6.Miles
7. Nutt
8. Chizik
9. Mullen
10. Johnson
11.Dooley
12. Phillips

This ranking is by no means the same as a list of safest coaches as far as job security is concerned.

 

[jacksonreb1]

first i would put nutt somewhere in the middle of the sec pack4-5 thru 7-8 but how do you rank petrino ahead of him when nutt has beaten petrino twice and even moreso miles who nutt has beaten three times with not near the talent any of the three times. IMO miles as earned a spot in the bottom group clearly. and as i said earlier i'm not yet convinced on petrino but head to head with nutt petrino loses out IMO. i'd be interested to see johnson with a real sec team.

 

[Maroon Eagle]

...that's why they're both ranked ahead of Nutt. That being said, I also noted that this list doesn't correspond to how safe I think the coaches are at their respective universities. I think all the coaches ranked 7-12 are all safer job security-wise than Miles.

 

[jackstefano]

1. Saban
2. Meyer
3. Richt
4. Petrino
5. Nutt
6. Spurrier
7. Mullen
8. Chizik
9. Miles
10. Johnson
11.The Joker
12. Dooley

especially if Nutt starts losing as the O's recruits phase out.

I sort of agree with everything you said, but this line has me scratching my head. Nutt has recruited better than Orgeron did.

 

[FlabLoser]

Seemed like a WTF hire. But he did well last year. They'll be better this year too.

 

[whatever.sixpack]

I think this "Nutt recruited better than Orgeron did" myth will die in two years, it's not as out there as "Spurlock will be better than Manning," but still...

You can't just look at stars, Orgeron had an eye for evaluating talent and developing 3 star guys like McCluster, Hodge, Jerry, Lawon Scott, Laurent, Hardy, Kendrick Lewis, etc...

 

[jackstefano]

To your points though, I would delete the reference to Jerry, although I get what your saying in general. What most don't realize is that Orgeron completely dropped the ball in areas like OL, QB, DB -- hell, pretty much everywhere but DL. Last year, 2 freshmen contributed heavily in the LB rotation (Kight and Shackelford). There was no depth anywhere when Nutt arrived, but there were a few very talented players and they won a lot of games the last 2 years. Bottom line is that Nutt has recruited well and his players are doing well so far.

 

[eckie1]

I simply can't remember.

 

[jackstefano]

I'll let you figure out what it is.

 

[markymark.sixpack]

alli really meant was that so far nutt has been playing with someone else's players for the most part. The 2011 season will be his first with all of his recruits.

That's also why i rate Mullen sort of high....he won 5 friggin games with Crooms' 2 star players and had a legit shot at 7 or 8.

 

[57stratdawg]

there is a chance Richt gets fired after this year. Not sure how you can have him ranked so high.

1) Saban
2) Meyer
3) Spurrier
4) Petrino
5) Nutt
6) Chizick
7) Richt
8) Mullen
9) Bobby Johnson (could be higher)
10) Les Miles

Cant really rank Dooley and Phillips since they haven't coached a game yet.

 

[thatsbaseball]

nm

 

[jackstefano]

You'll see what I'm talking about. I'll give you an example -- at QB: Jevan Snead and . . . let's see. Jevan Snead and . . . oh, Billy Tapp. Yeah, in a league where most sign one good QB a year and some sign two, this guy signed one serviceable transfer in three years.

 

[BigLeagueChew]

He's not a top 6 coach. He's a lazy recruiter, and his teams are never serious contenders, both pre-season and during it.

Saban
Meyer
Richt - Moving down but has brought consistency to UGA.
Nutt - 3 SEC West Title and 2 trips to Atl while at Ark
Petrino - Should move up
Chizik - Should move up
Miles - He's a lucky sumbitch
Spurrier - Moving down
Dooley - I put him ahead of Mullen solely because he took La Tech to bowl game. I fully anticipate Mulled being ahead at the end of the season
Mullen - Moving up
Johnson
Philips

I don't like ranking Nutt that high, but he gets it based on process of elimination

 

[patdog]

He recruited the best2 back-to-back teams you have had since well before integration. And he recruited the 2nd best QB you've had since the first Manning.

 

[patdog]

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<span class="post-title">Why is everyone still so high on Spurrier? The game has passed him by
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Spurrier hasn't been anywhere near the same coach since he won the national title. He deserves as much blame as Zook does for UF's downturn after he left. Actually, the downturn started while Spurrier was still the coach. </span>

 

[57stratdawg]

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<span class="post-title">Why is everyone still so high on Spurrier? The game has passed him by
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Spurrier hasn't been anywhere near the same coach since he won the national title. He deserves as much blame as Zook does for UF's downturn after he left. Actually, the downturn started while Spurrier was still the coach. </span>

I think if Meyer went SC and Spurrier was back at UF, it'd be Spurrier back on on top in the east. But he wouldn't be dominating the national land scape..

 

[whatever.sixpack]

Both Jerry's were 3 stars originally out of high school, so I put them in there. They both were developed to be dominant, and he also really identified some NFL level talent that wasn't highly recruited like McCluster, Lewis, Green, Laurent, Scott, etc...

He pulled a Stansbury w/ Snead and at least thought he pulled a big one in w/ yoyoShaffer, but according to Meat Market he left most of the QB recruiting to Werner or whoever the OC/QB coach was.

He also recruited some LB's but just ran too many guys off the team like Pack. OL I'll give you, but I'd forgive him for that b/c it was probably a big adjustment for him having to settle for players with significantly less athleticism than he could get everywhere else he'd been.

And I hear all you guys saying Nutt's players are going to be good and are doing well, but who has really contributed besides a few guys here and there and some skill guys? Orgeron's DL recruiting was underrated, that's just about the most important aspect of a team, and Nutt hasn't proven that any of his guys can play up front yet except for maybe Massie on offense

 

[eckie1]

Kinky.

 

[Duckmandawg]

Nutt has recruited better than Orgeron did.

Nutt, is that you? Welcome to 6pack.

 

[kired]

My ranking based on who I would most want as our coach.

1. Saban
2. Mullen - I think he's one of the best young coaches in the game
3. Meyer - ranked below Mullen due to retirement / health issues
4. Richt - consistently wins 10+ games & has won conference championships
5. Nutt - ranked here because I don't know who I'd rank ahead of him
6. Spurrier - getting too old & still has not had one "great" season after 5 at USC
7. Miles - going downhill fast
8. Chizik - could jump 2-3 spots based on this year
9. Johnson
10. Petrino - just don't trust this guy even though he may be a better coach than guys I've ranked higher
11 / 12. Dooley& Phillips

 

[Virgil Caine]

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[rebelrouseri]

at UF and was playing and recruiting against FSU and Miami in their heyday. He also had to compete against some very good UT teams (although he did have Ray Goff at UGA) in the east and Bama and Auburn in the west.

 

[jacksonreb1]

many points cause petrinos was in the big east against nobody and miles backed into his with saban's team after getting his *** whipped by..........wait for it........Nutt's ark team. i disagree on petrino but i think a lot of folks would agree with you there. but there is no way miles is in the top 7. and frankly in reality he'd be near the bottom for most.. the only reason i'd put him above chisik and mullen is neither of them has 'proven" their talent but both are looking pretty good. miles is a proven idiot. LOL..

ETA... with the talent miles has there is no way he should lose 3-4 games every yr. lsu is loaded, loaded, loaded every yr and yet he manages to lose 3-4 every time.

 

[RebelBruiser]

These are the players signed by Orgeron at some of the positions in question, at least the ones that made it to campus.

OL:
John Jerry
Michael Oher
Reid Neely
Corey Actis (not on team in 2008)
Daverin Geralds (signed as a DT and played as a DT as a freshman)
Don Moseley
Mark Jean-Louis
Rishaw Johnson
Bradley Sowell
Alex Washington

QB:
Billy Tapp
Michael Herrick
Bruce Hall (not on team in 2008)
Brent Schaeffer (not on team in 2008)
Jevan Snead (transfer)

RB:
Antonio Turner
Cordera Eason
Derrick Davis
Jeremy McGee (transfer moved to CB by Nutt in 2008)

CB:
Cassius Vaughn
Jamariery Atterbury
Colby Arceneaux

So by 2008, the only QBs on the team recruited by Orgeron were Snead and Tapp. The only true cornerback on the team in 2008 recruited by Orgeron was Cassius Vaughn. The only RB that had had a carry on the team prior to 2008 was Cordera Eason, who had to fend off true freshmen just to get carries in 2008.

On the OL, we had a 6 man rotation in 2008, 4 of which were recruited by Orgeron (Oher, Jerry, Neely, and Geralds). The other 2 were Cutcliffe signees. He did a good job of having a few very good OL, but he didn't recruit much depth at the position. Also, when you look at our team this fall, the only Orgeron recruited OL in the rotation will be Sowell, Rishaw Johnson, and Alex Washington, all three starters. His 2006 and 2007 classes should have contributed some 4th and 5th year players to the OL, but only 3 of them remain.

Those positions in particular are what people are talking about when they say Orgeron left gaps in his recruiting. He did well recruiting the DL, did alright with LBs, and did pretty good with WRs. The other positions all had maybe a couple headliner type players but nothing past that.

Also, I don't know that I'd put Snead ahead of Romaro on our all-time QB list. Snead threw more TD passes, but I think Romaro may have been a better all-around QB. It's at least a toss up on whether Miller or Snead is No. 2 behind Eli in the post-Archie era.

 

[jacksonreb1]

1. whether one thinks the rankings are perfect or not they generally are a decent barometer of the quality of recruiting...o pulled on top 15 class and nutt has pulled two. i do know that the only people who discount rankings are those who's classes are ranked low. i remember the cutcliffe yrs.

2. o's classes had terrible balance. no oline or at least not nearly enough. shaky dback. great dline and lb's nutt's classes have both addressed the needs of the year and have been balanced across positions.

3. with o, every yr we were sweating clearance on at least 3-4 of the very top kids. too many didn't make it or if they did, they got in barely for august drills and were way behind. nutt has had some academic casualties but very few and at the risk of getting corrected i don't think we've had one real negative "surprise' meaning a kid we were counting on and thinking they would get in not getting in.

until we see how they do on the field, its speculation but those three factors IMO make me very happy with nutt as a recruiter and i was and am a fan of O as a recruiter.........not so much as HC. LOL

 

[Fratrebel]

Yeah, he lived off someone else's recruits there. The whole ten years none of those guys were his.