Don’t know what you mean: It makes no sense to give them a 3 pt try bc you don’t think you would get a rebound on a FT miss.
To simplify, they gave MSU a chance to tie the game unnecessarily.
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To simplify, they gave MSU a chance to tie the game unnecessarily.
Anyone putting that on JMike is insane. Trying going and shooting FTs after putting the effort in that that kid does. Played a very clean game.
It’s never fun to lose, but this is a lost season anyway. Just looking for signs of improvement and possible things to build on depending who returns.
Tariq’s D quietly gets better each game. While not his strength, he’s rarely out of position, makes the right play on help even if his height holds him back at times, and is getting beat less than he was early season. 3 steals from him too. Buchanan improving on D too despite being asked to play out of position. Zrno also solid in this one considering he’s not a natural 3. Don’t want to knock Grant because this was a better effort from him finally on offense but his defense is simply not good enough for a post player and he doesn’t have a good enough handle (like Buchanan) to slide to wing.
Tariq’s D quietly gets better each game. While not his strength, he’s rarely out of position, makes the right play on help even if his height holds him back at times, and is getting beat less than he was early season. 3 steals from him too. Buchanan improving on D too despite being asked to play out of position. Zrno also solid in this one considering he’s not a natural 3. Don’t want to knock Grant because this was a better effort from him finally on offense but his defense is simply not good enough for a post player and he doesn’t have a good enough handle (like Buchanan) to slide to wing.
I’m a big proponent of fouling up three but that would have been too early in my opinion. I think there was still 15 seconds or so.
Hate to call him out because he had a terrific game, but that three was open because Zrno lost his man and by the time he realized the ball was in the net.
my bigger issue with Pike would be not calling a timeout after the made free throw. Didn’t allow our D to get set.
Francis was open for the first inbounds plays…go rewatch it and don’t just be selective on the second one where they had time defensively to guard us in a set play. Do we have to trust our players to hit FTs? Yes, but if we could increase the odds by getting it to our best player than we are better off….
and Pikes gameplan to stop them from shooting 3s?? They still shot 22 for the game at 36%. We shot 5 more than they did at 37%.
this doesn’t quiet anyone on coaching..many people are tired of morale victories and only thing showing up in the end here is a LOSS and what we all know is that we collapsed to allow that to happen.
I think there were 10- 11 seconds left.
Based on how we play defense - I would trust us much better at the foul line to win the game in lieu of giving them the opportunity to tie the game - especially with Tariq shooting the FTs
About Zrno - very good point and I guess the question is why was he on the court at that time !
He’s an awful defender.
Yes, a timeout to set up the D would have helped, especially if we could have fouled Ugochukwu and put him at the line shooting 1 and 1, because he’s a 56% foul shooter. Instead, we let him get a clean look from the arc where he’s shooting 42%.
It came down to Francis having a clean look on the floater that he probably makes more than 50% of the time ! Simple as that! Once it got to OT their talent took over
I dont quite follow to a certain extent.....
A) MSU got nothing done in the 1st half from 3 and whatever 2s they got allowed RU to build a lead. If Ogbole converts 1 on 1 against post defense, thats another 2 points. The defense on MSU overplayed everything onthe perimeter to force dump downs to their bigs....all we need is a competent post player to not foul and give up cheap points in the 1st 4 minutes of a game.....thats another 4 lost points.
You're not going to hold off any Top 7 to 12 ranked type of team from converting any 3s for 40 minutes, but they have capable shooters. I would prefer they take 2s vs 3s all day long. They weren't getting to 75 points in regulation by taking 2s and finishing the 1H under 30 points.
The results oriented discussion is fine, if we are realistic about the holes on the roster in terms of coaching.....it is easy to see the staff coaching around the hole at the 5...imagine what the perimeter defense is like if Buchanan isnt asked to guard a 6'10 Kohler or Cooper and you dont leave 3 point shooters, to try and help in the post....all shooting is directly connected to whether an offense can show an ability to score in the paint.
If Pike throws a 4 hit shutout over 7 innings and the bullpen gives up a run in the 8th blows the game in the 9th and you lose in extra innings, the fans that talk pitch selection in the 8th and 9th innings are fine, but does anyone actually believe Pike and the staff should close out MSU, without a reasonable or even below average 5 man??
The game isnt close if you have baseline credible B1G level players at all 5 positions, so when you get better than usual shooting from 3, you win that game.
Here are the wins we are asking of the staff.
Francis to score 30+ vs Oregon in OT...
Francis and others to grind out a game vs Northwestern in OT without any 5 production.
The Sparty center Cooper plays 37 minutes and inished 12 PTS, 14 REBS, 2 assists and we get 26 minutes from Dortch and Ogbole with 0 PTS, 1 REB.
Can the other 4 players play an A+ game and offset this enormous gap in talent?? Keep in.mimd Carson Cooper isn't all 1st, 2nd or even 3rd team all B1G, hes a competent, fundamentally sound big. If we just have credible pieces, the staff can figure a path to be in most games, when they hit shots.
I thought the same in real time. At the same time, T Francis showed against SHU that he can’t handle even marginal backcourt pressure. They were fouling right away though so I don’t think it would’ve mattered. Frustrating
I didn't think there would be any sleepless nights for me this season because expectations are so low. But this one got to me. The coaches, the players, and the fans all deserved a win. Congratulations on a fantastic effort.
As fans, we are going through a rough stretch, even by Rutgers standards.
Your baseball analogy is flawed but let’s stay with it. Pike is the coach and GM! Let’s not forget he selected the bullpen!
No doubt Pike had a game plan and the guys executed it at a high level with effort for 35 mins. The issue is simple situational decisions wins that game.
Fears had 4 fouls! Why not run pick and roll to get Fears switched on to Francis every time down the court? Our best scoring threat against a player who can’t play defense because of his foul trouble?
Using your baseball analogy it’s going lefty vs lefty out of the pen. Simple coaching decision.
Why not inbound the ball to our best free throw shooter? Every team in the world from biddy league, HS, AAU, etc runs end of game scenario to get the ball into their best shooter. Simple coaching decisions. Nothing to do with our lack of talent .
Pike coached a shut out for 7 innings but he didn’t go lefty on lefty out of the Pen. He pitched to Judge when he should have walked him and he went with Diaz when Rivera was sitting there.
I don’t think your wrong about a lot of this, but for the most part, Pike coached a solid game and then we ran out of steam in overtime.
I think the big picture positives to acknowledge is that the 2 pieces Pike selected out of the portal have steadily improved throughout this season (Francis and Buchanan) and suddenly vs Michigan State his 3rd pick up Zrno showed some flashes of potential development too.
Now it’s Pike’s fault entirely that his starting point in the offseason was retention of 4 role players - none of which saw over 19 min of playing time or even averaged 6 ppg. We had nothing that could be counted on either end locked down. Literally starting from scratch needing everything and not knowing what your getting from 4 incoming frosh.
We’re not in this situation now. We desperately need a center along with a power forward who can be a defensive stopper type for us. And we could use some help with ball handling to reduce the amount of time we have to play 2 small guards. If we were to target quality and not quantity in the portal and succeed - then retain and continue to develop 7 or so guys on the current team, there is a possibility we would be way better next year. Now I’m not holding my breath on us landing a Cliff / MJ type. Pike has to be aggressive in his offer to accomplish this. On the power forward market he needs to study carefully and be right in his evaluation. And then he has to retain the best fits of what we currently have. All of this is a big IF. But entering the season the future trajectory was hopeless and now there’s at least a glimmer of hope at the end of the tunnel. We’re in wait and see mode.
I guess the HOF coach didn’t think of having Francis blanketed on the inbounds? Primary objective is GET IT IN, and getting it to a 75% shooter is a good job.
Frustrating loss to say the least.
In a game where we shot 19-23 from the foul line we lost the game missing two crucial foul shots. Ball has to be in Francis’ hands in end game.
Zrno had by far his best game. Throw in the Wiscy game and this game and we can visibly see improvement. There’s hope.
The offensive foul was unfortunate and hurt.
Buchanan had a great all around game and his old fashioned three point play with the massive spin on the ball was kinda Pistol Pete like. He is also improving.
JMike had his best game of the year and a really nice hustle play early in the 2nd half.
However under no circumstances did I want the ball in his hands or at the line with the game on the line. It came back to haunt us. Unfortunate.
Good to see that Grant is getting back to form. That was a long flu recovery? Harper not being fully healthy first two months las t year. Ace missing some games. Are we snake bitten or perhaps time to reconsider our trainers?
Francis had another tremendous game. I would have rathered a pull up jumper than a floater. He had beaten his man with a great one on one isolation play. Wonder if he had pulled up, would he have been fouled from behind? Still a great shot. Cant fault him. Just didn’t fall. Dangerously close to a goal tending, would the refs have called it?
Two calls that didn’t go RU’s way included a non goal tending call that I was surprised the Refs didn’t look at it. Pike justifiably got in the short Ref’s face. Looked like ref wanted to T Pike up. That ref screwed up. Big play as it was during our scoring draught.
Feel sorry for our centers, Ogbole does make some dumb fouls, but I wonder if he gets the fouls called on him for being so big. We were getting hooked several times and the fouls were either not called or called on us. Officiating matters especially in an overtime game.
Thought Politi had a strange take on the game. Lamenting a scoring draught and that Rutgers shouldn’t be saying, “thatta boy”. Was he watching the game? Did he not see our best player in a collision with an MSU player take a vicious blow to the head?
Francis lucky he didn’t have a concussion or maybe he did? Think just maybe that affected/ affected (Still don’t understand the difference) our scoring?
Hey Steve the real story was RU had only one turnover in the first half and only five for the game against the best statistical defense in the country. If you want to bemoan something I would have noted the rebound difference but that’s just me.
I firmly believe you foul and never let the opposing team tie you with a three. Both the score and running the clock are in your favor. But if we are going to play that game have to get the ball in Francis hands and equally important out of JMike’s hands.
We have shown significant improvement. This is not the same team that lost to Central Connecticut. We had 5 turnovers against the best defensive team in the country. We could have won even though our best player was knocked out of the game for crucial minutes. We had four players in double digit. In hindsight we could easily have two more wins at Iowa and MSU. Indiana loss looks less bad after they convincingly beat Purdue. We are also certainly defying Vegas. As an aside, Powers shot looks so pure and gets good looks. Hope he can hit some and get his confidence. Pike has to keep team together as they could still win some ball games so hope team doesn’t get down after tough losses.
Thought Pike thoroughly outcoached Izzo.
There was very real dissension and shouting on MSU bench. They were fortunate Francis was TKO’d and wasn’t the same player for much of 2nd half. He still got off a great shot to almost win the game.
Two more points, Kudos to RU for improving the card allotment. It was dare say impressive and finely tuned.
Had to lol at the no solicitation signs.
Now at the risk of sounding like an old man yelling at clouds, there was a fair amount of green and white in the arena. During our blackout we feature two youth basketball teams wearing green and white. By the end of the scrimmage they are 40 young kids and coaches decked out in Green and White running around the RaC. It looked like an MSU home game.
Last but certainly not last, Exhibit Number 2036, why we should never give up home games to MSG. We should especially never ever again as long as Izzo is coaching in give up MSU home games to MSG.
In a game where we shot 19-23 from the foul line we lost the game missing two crucial foul shots. Ball has to be in Francis’ hands in end game.
Zrno had by far his best game. Throw in the Wiscy game and this game and we can visibly see improvement. There’s hope.
The offensive foul was unfortunate and hurt.
Buchanan had a great all around game and his old fashioned three point play with the massive spin on the ball was kinda Pistol Pete like. He is also improving.
JMike had his best game of the year and a really nice hustle play early in the 2nd half.
However under no circumstances did I want the ball in his hands or at the line with the game on the line. It came back to haunt us. Unfortunate.
Good to see that Grant is getting back to form. That was a long flu recovery? Harper not being fully healthy first two months las t year. Ace missing some games. Are we snake bitten or perhaps time to reconsider our trainers?
Francis had another tremendous game. I would have rathered a pull up jumper than a floater. He had beaten his man with a great one on one isolation play. Wonder if he had pulled up, would he have been fouled from behind? Still a great shot. Cant fault him. Just didn’t fall. Dangerously close to a goal tending, would the refs have called it?
Two calls that didn’t go RU’s way included a non goal tending call that I was surprised the Refs didn’t look at it. Pike justifiably got in the short Ref’s face. Looked like ref wanted to T Pike up. That ref screwed up. Big play as it was during our scoring draught.
Feel sorry for our centers, Ogbole does make some dumb fouls, but I wonder if he gets the fouls called on him for being so big. We were getting hooked several times and the fouls were either not called or called on us. Officiating matters especially in an overtime game.
Thought Politi had a strange take on the game. Lamenting a scoring draught and that Rutgers shouldn’t be saying, “thatta boy”. Was he watching the game? Did he not see our best player in a collision with an MSU player take a vicious blow to the head?
Francis lucky he didn’t have a concussion or maybe he did? Think just maybe that affected/ affected (Still don’t understand the difference) our scoring?
Hey Steve the real story was RU had only one turnover in the first half and only five for the game against the best statistical defense in the country. If you want to bemoan something I would have noted the rebound difference but that’s just me.
I firmly believe you foul and never let the opposing team tie you with a three. Both the score and running the clock are in your favor. But if we are going to play that game have to get the ball in Francis hands and equally important out of JMike’s hands.
We have shown significant improvement. This is not the same team that lost to Central Connecticut. We had 5 turnovers against the best defensive team in the country. We could have won even though our best player was knocked out of the game for crucial minutes. We had four players in double digit. In hindsight we could easily have two more wins at Iowa and MSU. Indiana loss looks less bad after they convincingly beat Purdue. We are also certainly defying Vegas. As an aside, Powers shot looks so pure and gets good looks. Hope he can hit some and get his confidence. Pike has to keep team together as they could still win some ball games so hope team doesn’t get down after tough losses.
Thought Pike thoroughly outcoached Izzo.
There was very real dissension and shouting on MSU bench. They were fortunate Francis was TKO’d and wasn’t the same player for much of 2nd half. He still got off a great shot to almost win the game.
Two more points, Kudos to RU for improving the card allotment. It was dare say impressive and finely tuned.
Had to lol at the no solicitation signs.
Now at the risk of sounding like an old man yelling at clouds, there was a fair amount of green and white in the arena. During our blackout we feature two youth basketball teams wearing green and white. By the end of the scrimmage they are 40 young kids and coaches decked out in Green and White running around the RaC. It looked like an MSU home game.
Last but certainly not last, Exhibit Number 2036, why we should never give up home games to MSG. We should especially never ever again as long as Izzo is coaching in give up MSU home games to MSG.
We lost this game one year ago when we did not get a competent center. Pike, throughout his tenure was a mediocre recruiter at best.
Good post
It wasn't that long ago that the board was agonizing on how Pike couldn't run a successful inbounds play
Just like JMike was blanketed on all of the inbound plays.
Objective TO GET IT IN: Win / Lose with your best player at the FT line - not a mediocre player in crunch time.
Don’t “presume” Francis will be fully and eternally blanketed. He’s talented and quick enough to get free.
Pike never inexplicably gave Francis the opportunity !
Blunder by Pikiell !