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I have a hard time caring much what happens to players after they leave college. The NFL is no more than watching men at their jobs.

Sadly, college football has become that too. I used to feel a connection with the college players because we attended the same school. Now, college players are little more than temporary mercenaries.
 

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He's probably screwed. I don't get the hype over Klubnik, but it seems the Saints pretty much view this as a gap year until they draft a QB next year. As such, I don't see them doing much to give Rattler the pieces needed to succeed.
 
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I have a feeling klubnik mania will take care of itself this year.
He's a media darling, Dabo will leave him in for the whole game against weak teams and he plays in a JV conference so he will put up big numbers. Unless he completely blows up, I think he will be a top 5 pick.
 

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Spencer Rattler is exactly one year younger then the Saints second round QB pick Tyler Shough, as they share the same birthday

Spencer = Sept 28, 2000
Tyler Shough = Sept 28, 1999
 

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He's a media darling, Dabo will leave him in for the whole game against weak teams and he plays in a JV conference so he will put up big numbers. Unless he completely blows up, I think he will be a top 5 pick.
Lol we’ll see.
 

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He threw for 3600 yds had 36 tds and 6 ints and rushed for 460 yds. I don't like Clemson but those are good numbers.

To be fair, we had a poster calling Sellers a first round, second qb taken kind of guy for having numbers much less than that.

But yeah, he plays in the ACC, I expect gaudy numbers because he plays worse teams.

Will the NFL scouts look past that?
 
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To be fair, we had a poster calling Sellers a first round, second qb taken kind of guy for having numbers much less than that.

But yeah, he plays in the ACC, I expect gaudy numbers because he plays worse teams.

Will the NFL scouts look past that?
Apparently, the NFL scouts look past a lot of things. They drafted AR15 out of UF fifth overall and he was terrible.
 

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To be fair, we had a poster calling Sellers a first round, second qb taken kind of guy for having numbers much less than that.

But yeah, he plays in the ACC, I expect gaudy numbers because he plays worse teams.

Will the NFL scouts look past that?
No we didn't have a poster. We had me "Adcoop" that said it and people rating Klubnik so highly was a part of it. I think Klubnik is overrated too. Already beat him head-to-head and Klubnik had a two year head start in playing time. Don't have to be passive-aggressive my guy. "Adcoop" said it and I think Sellers will prove it.
 

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No we didn't have a poster. We had me "Adcoop" that said it and people rating Klubnik so highly was a part of it. I think Klubnik is overrated too. Already beat him head-to-head and Klubnik had a two year head start in playing time. Don't have to be passive-aggressive my guy. "Adcoop" said it and I think Sellers will prove it.

Yes, you said it. Newsflash, you're a poster. I guess i can add calling you a poster to the list of your triggers. :)

I'd also point out that head to head is a TEAM stat involving playing totally different defenses. But I think that concept is a bit beyond you.
 

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Klubnik had a season that caught coordinators and scheming off guard last year because his 23 season was pretty tame in terms of his ability to hurt a defense. He reminds me for the world of the kid before Taj that was supposed to be great shakes and ended up transferring out to some smaller school. My take is that klubnick will catch a couple of hats on the number this year and start watching what’s coming in instead of what’s going out.
 
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Klubnik had a season that caught coordinators and scheming off guard last year because his 23 season was pretty tame in terms of his ability to hurt a defense. He reminds me for the world of the kid before Taj that was supposed to be great shakes and ended up transferring out to some smaller school. My take is that klubnick will catch a couple of hats on the number this year and start watching what’s coming in instead of what’s going out.

Depends on their OL play. Get him running around, and he'll make mistakes. Imo

But he plays in a weak conference, so he has ample opportunity to run up stats. And that school is usually more talented than most of their schedule.
 
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Depends on their OL play. Get him running around, and he'll make mistakes. Imo

But he plays in a weak conference, so he has ample opportunity to run up stats. And that school is usually more talented than most of their schedule.
Yeah, but their Oline is supposed to be really good this year! I guess we’ll see if the Matt Luke experience is taking affect! klubnik could cause some havoc if he has some time!
 
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No we didn't have a poster. We had me "Adcoop" that said it and people rating Klubnik so highly was a part of it. I think Klubnik is overrated too. Already beat him head-to-head and Klubnik had a two year head start in playing time. Don't have to be passive-aggressive my guy. "Adcoop" said it and I think Sellers will prove it.
In the "head to head", Klubnik went 24 of 36 for 280 yds and Sellers went 13 of 21 for 164 yds. If head to head is what you want to point to, it appears Sellers is more overrated than Klubnik.

Your Clemson hate is bordering on mental illness when you try and say a qb that pretty much every sports journalist lists as a top qb in the country isn't good.
 

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Depends on their OL play. Get him running around, and he'll make mistakes. Imo

But he plays in a weak conference, so he has ample opportunity to run up stats. And that school is usually more talented than most of their schedule.
Klubnik had impressive stats because the Clemson offense runs a lot Jet Sweeps and RPOs that count as passes. The receivers get YAC and the QB gets credit for it. Yes, Klubnik had a little over 1000 yds in passing than Sellers, but it took him around 200 more passes to do it. His yds per pass was over yard less than Sellers. Yes, we had training wheels on with Sellers early, but the man had not played and was throwing to receivers that were thrown together from the portal.
 
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In the "head to head", Klubnik went 24 of 36 for 280 yds and Sellers went 13 of 21 for 164 yds. If head to head is what you want to point to, it appears Sellers is more overrated than Klubnik.

Your Clemson hate is bordering on mental illness when you try and say a qb that pretty much every sports journalist lists as a top qb in the country isn't good.
Stats don't tell the whole story. Sellers made the big plays that got Clemson beat while Klubnik made the turnover that ended the Tigers hopes. If you ask the players from both defenses what QB they feared most, I bet more Clemson defenders would respond Sellers than South Carolina defenders would respond Klubnik. Finally, I am in no way hating on Clemson. Can't a man not be impressed with a player. A lot of people thought Tahj Boyd was better than Connor Shaw based on stats too. When they moved to the next level, Connor Shaw at least got on the field a little bit while Tahj Boyd never made a team. You can look at a player and say, no, that's not it.
 
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In the "head to head", Klubnik went 24 of 36 for 280 yds and Sellers went 13 of 21 for 164 yds. If head to head is what you want to point to, it appears Sellers is more overrated than Klubnik.

Your Clemson hate is bordering on mental illness when you try and say a qb that pretty much every sports journalist lists as a top qb in the country isn't good.
Nonsense.

I remember vividly Bentley going mid-20s of mid-30s for well over 300 quite a few times and our savvy fans opining that he sucked because we lost; those same fans still blame him for the loss to UNC where he took a 10 point lead into the fourth quarter to see the defense give up back to back clock eating drives for touchdowns. Rattler goes 30-39 for 353 and we lose 31-17 against UNC with the fans coming to a similar conclusion about him.

We’ll see about klubnik.
 

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Klubnik had impressive stats because the Clemson offense runs a lot Jet Sweeps and RPOs that count as passes. The receivers get YAC and the QB gets credit for it. Yes, Klubnik had a little over 1000 yds in passing than Sellers, but it took him around 200 more passes to do it. His yds per pass was over yard less than Sellers. Yes, we had training wheels on with Sellers early, but the man had not played and was throwing to receivers that were thrown together from the portal.

An RPO is a hand off, doesn't count as a pass unless you throw it to the wr. The jet sweep can count as a pass, but I think you are exaggerating their use of it. All qb's follow these same rules, and get benefits of YAC.

He had much better stats, I just feel its based at least partially on his conference, which helps him. He had a better qb rating, but again, I think his competition had something to do with it.

And I still feel it will depend on his OL. When he was pressured, he ran backwards and made more mistakes than normal qbs should. When he had time, he threw very well and was very effective.
 

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Nonsense.

I remember vividly Bentley going mid-20s of mid-30s for well over 300 quite a few times and our savvy fans opining that he sucked because we lost; those same fans still blame him for the loss to UNC where he took a 10 point lead into the fourth quarter to see the defense give up back to back clock eating drives for touchdowns. Rattler goes 30-39 for 353 and we lose 31-17 against UNC with the fans coming to a similar conclusion about him.

We’ll see about klubnik.

I think youre agreeing with him. A qb can play well and still lose because the TEAM lost. One can't point to the team win and simply say that means the winning qb was better.
 

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I think youre agreeing with him. A qb can play well and still lose because the TEAM lost. One can't point to the team win and simply say that means the winning qb was better.
.....but you can point to key moments of that game and determine who got it done and who didn't. You can point to stats about Klubnik all you want. He didn't get it done when it counted and I have seen that with him several times just like with DJU. Klubnik is better than DJU, but he is just not the caliber of QB that Trevor and Deshaun were. I sort of put him in that Tahj Boyd category. Can put up stats, but comes up small when the lights get bright.
 

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.....but you can point to key moments of that game and determine who got it done and who didn't. You can point to stats about Klubnik all you want. He didn't get it done when it counted and I have seen that with him several times just like with DJU. Klubnik is better than DJU, but he is just not the caliber of QB that Trevor and Deshaun were. I sort of put him in that Tahj Boyd category. Can put up stats, but comes up small when the lights get bright.

Agree on Klubnik being not like Trevor, but better than that DJ kid.

Disagree that you can call another qb better because of the TEAM win.
 
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Agree on Klubnik being not like Trevor, but better than that DJ kid.

Disagree that you can call another qb better because of the TEAM win.
It's not just because of that. I check for everything. Composure when it gets tight late. Sellers had it, Klubnik didn't. I think our defense was a little better than Clemson's last year, but not that much better. You could even argue that their defensive athletes were a little better. Sellers was composed, especially on the last two drives. Made big plays under Clemson pressure that was beating our OL. I am big on how QBs look in the last two minutes. You can say what you want about Sellers, but there was a rarely a time where he didn't make plays in the two minute drill. In comparison, I just don't have the same confidence that Klubnik can make plays late. I was waiting for the late turnover from him and it came. It's like a star basketball player that you know is going to miss that final shot when you have to have it.
 
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It's not just because of that. I check for everything. Composure when it gets tight late. Sellers had it, Klubnik didn't. I think our defense was a little better than Clemson's last year, but not that much better. You could even argue that their defensive athletes were a little better. Sellers was composed, especially on the last two drives. Made big plays under Clemson pressure that was beating our OL. I am big on my how QBs look in the last two minutes. You can say what you want about Sellers, but there was a rarely a time where he didn't make plays in the two minute drill. In comparison, I just don't have the same confidence that Klubnik can make plays late. I was waiting for the late turnover from him and it came. It's like a star basketball player that you know is going to miss that final shot when you have to have it.

You go with that. Our defenses were vastly different. Ours was much better.

That composure is a perception that will change based on one of their teammates making a play vs not making a play. And I choose not to judge a player by what others on his team are doing.

The rest is opinion or perception which can be easily swayed by emotions or desires to see our guy as better.

If sellers is the second qb taken (or first if manning stays), we can all celebrate the season that led to it, and you can wave a great big I told you so flag.

When he doesn't get drafted that high, I'm sure there will be a 100 reasons/excuses.
 

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You go with that. Our defenses were vastly different. Ours was much better.

That composure is a perception that will change based on one of their teammates making a play vs not making a play. And I choose not to judge a player by what others on his team are doing.

The rest is opinion or perception which can be easily swayed by emotions or desires to see our guy as better.

If sellers is the second qb taken (or first if manning stays), we can all celebrate the season that led to it, and you can wave a great big I told you so flag.

When he doesn't get drafted that high, I'm sure there will be a 100 reasons/excuses.
I suggest you go to the Clemson Tiger website and take a look at some of the bios of the Clemson defenders. Our unit played better than them as a unit, but Clemson's defense is littered with guys that are going to get drafted high. Peter Woods is probably going in the Top 10. TJ Parker is probably going in the Top 10 too. Sammy Brown. Five Star LB. Impressive athlete. Two years away, but will probably be a 1st Round athlete. Did you talk about how much our defense was better than Clemson's when we couldn't get an offensive TD in 2023? ...and that was with us having a QB (Rattler) that is in the NFL right now. That game is also a part of my evaluation with Klubnik. Klubnik was terrible in that game and did not lead his team to an offensive TD either. You can come with all the stats you want. Good bet is that I already know the stats and have watched several of his games 2-3 times. That is what I do a lot in the summer to see if the feel I get on a player is wrong.
 
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You go with that. Our defenses were vastly different. Ours was much better.

That composure is a perception that will change based on one of their teammates making a play vs not making a play. And I choose not to judge a player by what others on his team are doing.

The rest is opinion or perception which can be easily swayed by emotions or desires to see our guy as better.

If sellers is the second qb taken (or first if manning stays), we can all celebrate the season that led to it, and you can wave a great big I told you so flag.

When he doesn't get drafted that high, I'm sure there will be a 100 reasons/excuses.
There will be no excuses. Further, that may mean that we get a 3rd year of Sellers which is not a bad thing. My point has always been that if Klubnik is the bar, then that is a very low bar that is attainable by Sellers and some more of the young QBs too. Just not impressed with Klubnik's game. That's all. Not saying that Sellers is the second coming or anything like that. Just projecting out with a player that is two years younger and saying that he should be better based on his potential.
 

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Our unit played better than them as a unit,

You could have stopped right there. Then we agree.

I dont care if the Clemson defensive players have nice bios. Their defense was not as good as ours. And I would say that's true by a long shot.
 

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There will be no excuses. Further, that may mean that we get a 3rd year of Sellers which is not a bad thing. My point has always been that if Klubnik is the bar, then that is a very low bar that is attainable by Sellers and some more of the young QBs too. Just not impressed with Klubnik's game. That's all. Not saying that Sellers is the second coming or anything like that. Just projecting out with a player that is two years younger and saying that he should be better based on his potential.

Agree that klubnik is not a #1 pick kind of guy, but disagree on the second coming for sellers talk.

You literally said he would be the second qb taken, and possibly first if Manning stays. We're arguing semantics at that point, but that strikes me as putting him on a way too high pedestal for his performance to date. But youre right, you didnt use the words "second coming".
 

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It's not just because of that. I check for everything. Composure when it gets tight late. Sellers had it, Klubnik didn't. I think our defense was a little better than Clemson's last year, but not that much better. You could even argue that their defensive athletes were a little better. Sellers was composed, especially on the last two drives. Made big plays under Clemson pressure that was beating our OL. I am big on how QBs look in the last two minutes. You can say what you want about Sellers, but there was a rarely a time where he didn't make plays in the two minute drill. In comparison, I just don't have the same confidence that Klubnik can make plays late. I was waiting for the late turnover from him and it came. It's like a star basketball player that you know is going to miss that final shot when you have to have it.
You are embarrassing yourself now. Clemson is 19-8 with an ACC championship and a CFP appearance in the last two seasons with Klubnik as the full time starter. Carolina is 14-11 with Sellers on the roster for the last two seasons, 9-4 with Sellers as starter, no championships or CFP appearances. Who do you think has made more shots "when you have to have it"? Klubnik's stats as a qb are much more impressive as well.

It is fine for you to be a fan of Sellers, but to say he is the better qb between Klubnik and Sellers is either foolish or clickbait. Against Clemson last season, Sellers had a QBR of 91.9, not exactly first round material.
 

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You could have stopped right there. Then we agree.

I dont care if the Clemson defensive players have nice bios. Their defense was not as good as ours. And I would say that's true by a long shot.
Why I got to stop there, because you say so? You are not the only that gets to have an opinion. We just had a well coached unit that played well together. ......and that was maybe a year and a half thing. Our defense came on late in 2023 and put it together in 2024. However, you know good and well that Clemson's defenses have been traditionally better than theirs. Doesn't mean that our guys were better players and no matter our defensive numbers, the NFL scouts don't seem to agree with you. I don't get this love of Cade Klubnik anyway. What big game situation has he really stood out in? Yea, he won the ACC Championship game over SMU. A team that bought their way out of the American and he barely got that done.
 

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Agree that klubnik is not a #1 pick kind of guy, but disagree on the second coming for sellers talk.

You literally said he would be the second qb taken, and possibly first if Manning stays. We're arguing semantics at that point, but that strikes me as putting him on a way too high pedestal for his performance to date. But youre right, you didnt use the words "second coming".
No it's not, it's saying that the QBs coming out this year are not impressive. If you remember, Anthony Richardson was the second QB taken just a couple of years ago and all he had to do was show flashes at Florida. He never put together a year. So, the NFL has to pick somebody. Why can't it be our guy if the other guys are not really showing you anything.
 

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Why I got to stop there, because you say so? You are not the only that gets to have an opinion. We just had a well coached unit that played well together. ......and that was maybe a year and a half thing. Our defense came on late in 2023 and put it together in 2024. However, you know good and well that Clemson's defenses have been traditionally better than theirs. Doesn't mean that our guys were better players and no matter our defensive numbers, the NFL scouts don't seem to agree with you. I don't get this love of Cade Klubnik anyway. What big game situation has he really stood out in? Yea, he won the ACC Championship game over SMU. A team that bought their way out of the American and he barely got that done.

Reread my post, I said you "could have stopped there", because after all the posturing, and silly talk of bios, you flat out agreed with me that we had a better defense.

All the typing beyond that is a waste of time.

Edit: And what do you mean "all this love" for klubnik? I have agreed with you that hes no Trevor, but better than that dj kid.

Are you seriously reading the other posters posts and then whining to me about them? That is too funny. You're not even replying to the right guy. That actually explains a lot.
 

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No it's not, it's saying that the QBs coming out this year are not impressive. If you remember, Anthony Richardson was the second QB taken just a couple of years ago and all he had to do was show flashes at Florida. He never put together a year. So, the NFL has to pick somebody. Why can't it be our guy if the other guys are not really showing you anything.
AR15 was drafted purely on potential, prototype NFL qb size and his freakish athletic ability.
 

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Why I got to stop there, because you say so? You are not the only that gets to have an opinion. We just had a well coached unit that played well together. ......and that was maybe a year and a half thing. Our defense came on late in 2023 and put it together in 2024. However, you know good and well that Clemson's defenses have been traditionally better than theirs. Doesn't mean that our guys were better players and no matter our defensive numbers, the NFL scouts don't seem to agree with you. I don't get this love of Cade Klubnik anyway. What big game situation has he really stood out in? Yea, he won the ACC Championship game over SMU. A team that bought their way out of the American and he barely got that done.
Boy you are getting emotional over Cade Klubnik. Is he a relative or something? 19-8 in a weak ACC that had an American Athletic Conference team just play in its Championship game in Year 1. That doesn't impress me at all. They got in the CFP because someone in the ACC had to go. That same champion lost to the lowly Gamecocks led by LaNorris Sellers at home. I'm supposed to be impressed by that. Let's cut to the chase. You like Klubnik as a player and you just won't accept that someone has a difference of opinion.
 
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AR15 was drafted purely on potential, prototype NFL qb size and his freakish athletic ability.
Did I ever say he had to play well in the NFL. I thought the conversation was on draft potential. You guys keep moving the goalpost just because I don't like Klubnik. Haven't liked the guy since he had that terrible game against Duke a couple years back. The guy gets jittery and makes poor decisions in games when Clemson is challenged. You guys go on and rave about how he threw for 450 yds and 5 TDs against the Citadel.
 
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