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<span style="COLOR: #000000">On if the signing of guards Brian Bryant and Jalen Steele upset him at all.</span></p>
<span style="COLOR: #000000"><span style="COLOR: #000000">“I’ll say it like this, I didn’t think we needed any more guards. I thought we needed bigs. The coaches obviously didn’t see it that way.”</span>
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Awesome. Just another story arc in the long running saga that is As the MSU Basketball World Turns.
 
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Ravern is 100% correct. Why the 17 aren't we recruiting post players?</p>
 
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We graduate a guard, and a center (though JV wasn't on scholly).

So this year we bring in 2 guards and not only that but Elgin is coming off a medical redshirt, and we know for a fact Sidney will be eligible after 9 games. That's two pretty substantial "additions" in the "big" category to next years rotation.

Plus the 2011 bigs that we have a shot at are head and shoulders above the 2010s
 
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We have Sidney for 2/3 of a season. He plays inside and drifts out constantly, according to many many sources over the years.
We have Augustus who plays on the perimeter almost exclusively.
We have Riek who is beyond injured STILL and is absurdly slow to recover from knee repair, much less have a grasp of our 'offense' or defense.
We have Lewis who is very athletic but couldnt handle a pass to save his life or finish a put back. He is a long term player, going off last season's play.
We have Osby, if you want to call him a big man seeing as how he doesnt at all play like one...at all.
We have Bailey who popped his ankle out, took a year off, then tore apart his knee. And even before all that he was hardly an impact player on either end.

So yeah, we could have used more bigs...if they are actually talented and able to contribute at a high level right away.
 
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Stans should have taken the high road and hit the trail but he's scared of the ACC. Who can really blame him. He's like Polk, he can stay at MSU and put up SEC West Co-Championship banners while half the fanbase kisses his *** and keeps him employed.
 
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two years ago and read the pro scout reports from two years ago and decided to offer him a scholly. Nevermind the fact that he destroyed his knees. Nevermind the fact that no one else wanted him. The guy can BARELY jog. He has absolutely no future and SHOULD never average more than 4 minutes a game for us. I'm afraid that he may play more because we will have no one else. What a scary thought.
 
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pursuing a MAYBE successful Israeli basketball league career.

If he stays, he will probably be the team's leading scorer and the go to guy until Sidney is finally eligible. It doesn't make any sense whatsoever and if Stans ever wants to get to the tournament again, he needs to get his team under control.
 
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get along and that is the reason why. Again, he can take his no-defense, insubordinate *** on to Italy or Russia or wherever the 17 he's gonna go. If this is indeed what happens, then I'd say Stans most certainly DOES have control of his team. Ravern looked like a complete *** out there at times last season. You just don't try to show up the coach like he did. Ever.
 
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I'm not saying we're better or worse. In fact, right now there's really no way to tell. It's not cut and dry like you want it to be at the end of f*cking April.
 
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team chemistry is. But saying the writing is on the wall for the coach to be fired because we may not have Ravern Johnson back is just plain idiotic. He is nowhere near our best player and easily replaceable.
 
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rugbdawg said:
<span class="post-title">It's a terrible, terrible sign when a guy with little NBA potential is eagerly anticipating </span>pursuing a MAYBE successful Israeli basketball league career.
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You lost me here.

If he has little NBA potential, then what else should he eagerly anticipate pursuing? Seems to me playing just under the NBA level is what someone with little NBA potential should eagerly anticipate...correct?
 
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since we signed Bryant then I became even more perplexed when we then used an extra scholarship, that we at least on the surface don't even have, to go out and sign ANOTHER guard in Steele. All I can say is I hope these new guards can rebound like Jamont but I know that is not the case. IMO, at least on this topic, Ravern is making much more sense than our coaching staff.
 
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Kodi?...already starts and is our lone skilled big man for the first 1/3 of the season even though he loves to sit on the perimeter.

Turner?...only if he gets back to his sophmore year form since this year his shooting was beyond horrid.

Beckham?...no

Smith?...can he even run?...who knows. He may be mini-Riek for all we know.

The 2 new recruits?...again, who knows. They were both low rated recruits that are smaller than Ravern and from what ive read they dont run the open floor and finish at all like him. Perhaps the outside shooting is there, who knows.

I wouldnt say he is easily replaced.

Osby would be the closes replacement...and his outside shooting is nothing like Ravern's.
 
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and make himself a draftable player, at the same time leading a team as a senior. Everything is setting up for him to have a great senior year but he doesn't want any of that. Just like Bost, he wants out.
 
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Makes sense to me. Israeli's top league is +++++++++ compared to MSU, not even close.

I have no idea about their second tier league, but i wouldnt bet against a team of friggin seasoned euro pros, even at that country's second level.</p>
 
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Doesn't play defense. Doesn't handle the ball. Doesn't play down low. He is a good player, but he's not at a key position that would be devastating if he were to leave. I'm not saying I want him gone or would be happy if he doesn't come back, just that it's not going to be the end of Rick Stansbury's career should he leave. Easily replaceable may be over the top, but losing Dee Bost would hurt 10x more than losing Ravern.
 
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BY FAR, Ravern is our most explosive offensive player and our best 3 pt. shooter. Other than Bost, he is the only player on our team that has the ability to create his own shot. He has developed a beautiful mid-range game. Do you really think losing a guy that can go off for 20 on any given night is a good thing?

Based on percentage stats alone, you could make a case that Osby is a better shooter...but we all know that's a little ridiculous. Last year, Ravern also improved his defense tremendously and is getting much closer to not being a liability on the defensive end.
 
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He is our only player that consistently finish in transition. Additionally, he has developed a beautiful mid-range game where he CAN create his own shots. Of all our players last year, other than Bost, he showed the most improvement. He developed the mid-range game and drastically improved his horrible, horrible defense from the year before.
 
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make a 10 footer. Very impressive. I'm not arguing with your stupid *** anymore about this. You are right. If Ravern Johnson doesn't come back, Rick Stansbury will have to file for unemployment because he is just to valuable a player to lose. Lord have mercy we have some stupid 17'n fans.
 
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Ravern is:
--A great spot up shooter
--A very good shooter off a screen
--A solid shooter off the dribble at the top of the key
--Reliable when driving into the lane from the corner
--An excellent midrange shooter
--One of the only players on the team that consistently finished in transition
--One of the only players that can play above the rim in transition

He has a ton of shortcomings, yes. Still cant handle the ball without everyone watching thinking he would turn it over, gets lost on D, soft on D, etc etc.
But he is much better than 'a good shooter'.

Man you sell him short. For a guy thatconsistently homers up MSU basketball, you sure dont think highly of one of its better players.

I agree it wont be the end of Stans' career if Ravern leaves. And losing Bost would be 10x(maybe more) worse than losing Ravern, agreed.
 
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BriantheDawg said:
coming to an end if this guy leaves for the pros. Period. The end.
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lose Ravern and getting back in the NCAA's becomes that much tougher in 2011. Another year out of the Big Dance hampers recruiting. And failure to make the NCAA's in 2012 will indeed cause Coach Stansbury to be fired. No way Stansbury remains coach missing out on the NCAA Tourney the next 2 seasons
 
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BriantheDawg

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I agree it wont be the end of Stans' career if Ravern leaves. And
losing Bost would be 10x(maybe more) worse than losing Ravern, agreed.
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This was my whole point of emphasis in this dumbass thread. Losing him is not costing our coach his career. That is all.
 
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