Re-seeding for Super Regionals...

[RebelBruiser]

I don't know if it's been discussed, but I'd be curious to hear the board's take on the idea on baseball re-seeding or at least re-pairing for Super regionals.

I'm not a big fan of re-seeding typically, because I think there is something to be said for beating a good team and earning your spot in the place of that good team.

However, it seems every year there is at least one match up like the Cal-Dallas Baptist match up, where a low seeded team pulls an upset and then gets to face another low-seeded team that also pulled an upset.

I think I lean toward NOT re-seeding, but I've wondered if it would make sense. Same thing with when you get to Omaha. Should they change the groupings in Omaha?

 

[RebelBruiser]

I don't know if it's been discussed, but I'd be curious to hear the board's take on the idea on baseball re-seeding or at least re-pairing for Super regionals.

I'm not a big fan of re-seeding typically, because I think there is something to be said for beating a good team and earning your spot in the place of that good team.

However, it seems every year there is at least one match up like the Cal-Dallas Baptist match up, where a low seeded team pulls an upset and then gets to face another low-seeded team that also pulled an upset.

I think I lean toward NOT re-seeding, but I've wondered if it would make sense. Same thing with when you get to Omaha. Should they change the groupings in Omaha?

 

[rem101]

But seriously, just leave it how it is. Upsets are part of sports. Seemed to work out well for Fresno State.

 

[Foronce]

in the nfl playoffs if the 6 beats the 3 then they face the 1 the next week, but college is thrived on the cinderella storyline

right now you have cal vs db to go to CWS, if you repaired and stuck DB in Virginia and Cal in Florida you would kill cinderella which I feel like the NCAA favors

yes the fair thing to do would be to reward the Virginia's and Florida's who have busted their *** to get to where they are but I don't think the NCAA cares for their story's as much... the road to omaha isn't really fair though because a bunch of those pods were determined based on location and not season results.

Reseeding after the tournament starts would not be right, but I would be in favor of re-pairing

 

[Center Z]

If they did it in baseball, you might as well do it in the basketball tournament too.

 

[GloryDawg]

They should have been a regional. I wasn't too sure about that before this past weekend but now I am. I think this earn crap is just that crap. Why in the hell did GT get a one seed with a 55SOS of schedule? They looked horrible this week end and I can't believe USM was even in the discussion for a host of a regional. Heck they had a 88 SOS. It is all BS and I think the seeding should be realign after the first round based on how well you did in the first and what teams are left after the first round. As good as we looked and played we should be at home and not at Florida. Florida should also be at home. </p>

 

[Todd4State]

I'm not sure that there is a much better way than what they do now.

But for the CWS, the NCAA is always going to want at least one cinderella team, and they're going to make sure that the field isn't a rematch of the SEC Tournament. That kind of seems to be their goal.

 

[RebelBruiser]

I'm not sure that there is a much better way than what they do now.

But for the CWS, the NCAA is always going to want at least one cinderella team, and they're going to make sure that the field isn't a rematch of the SEC Tournament. That kind of seems to be their goal.

I buy that.

Does the NHL re-seed for the second round? I want to say they do, or at least did at one point.

I agree with the way the NFL does it because the teams that are re-seeded are re-seeded to face teams that had byes. If the NFL had 8 team conference playoffs and the 8 beat the 1 seed, then the 8 would've earned the right to take the 1's path.

Given that they have a bye system, I like the fact that the NFL re-seeds, so that the team that earned the 1 seed gets the weaker draw in their first game.

I don't think I like re-seeding with tournaments where a team can pull an upset and then gets rewarded by getting the next toughest draw available.

Just got me to thinking when looking at the bracket that some of the Super match ups are not as strong as others, and it happens that way every year.

On another note, I'd like to see baseball seed each of the one seeds 1-16. I'm fine with them moving the 2, 3, and 4 seeds around to help limit travel, but I think they should pair the 1 seeds based on a seeding, rather than regionally matching them. Clemson and South Carolina get paired with each other a whole lot. North Carolina gets paired with South Carolina's regional a lot too. Likewise, Florida gets paired with FSU or Miami hosted regionals a whole lot. And of course the West schools get paired a bunch, Arizona State, Fullerton, Stanford, etc. Those schools see each other a whole lot in postseason play, especially Supers, and I think that can create stale match ups. I'd prefer a 1-16 seeding.

The other side of doing that is that if you do pull an upset in your regional, you somewhat earned your right to replace that particular seed and earn their draw for the next round. If they don't match them that way, you could upset the 8 seed, in theory not as tough as upsetting the 1 seed, and you could draw a team that's really the 16 seed, if they were to pair them that way based on travel concerns.

 

[VegasDawg13]

Bruiser said, "<span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px; ">I'm not a big fan of re-seeding typically, because I think there is something to be said for beating a good team and earning your spot in the place of that good team."</span><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px; ">
</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px; ">But have you earned that spot more than a team that has earned it throughout the year? Because you had one good game/weekend?</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px; ">
</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px; ">
</span></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-size: 12px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px;">I disagree with Foronce that the NCAA wants two Cinderella's playing each other. People love watching a David versus a Goliath, not a David versus a David. Reseeding would ensure you rarely have a David vs. David situation.</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-size: 12px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px;">
</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-size: 12px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px;">
</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-size: 12px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px;">Center Z said, "I</span></font><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; font-weight: bold; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px; "></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px; ">think you earn your seed in the regular season.</span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px; ">If they did it in baseball, you might as well do it in the basketball tournament too.</span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px; ">"</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px; ">
</span></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-size: 12px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px;">I agree with the first part, Virginiaearnedthe right to the easiest path to Omaha during the regular season. As for the second, no they shouldn't. Reseeding in basketball would significantly reduce interest in the basketball tournament because it would destroy bracket pools. Nothing like that would happen in baseball. A falseequivalenceif there ever was one.</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-size: 12px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px; ">
</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-size: 12px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px;">
</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-size: 12px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px;">Todd: "</span></font><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px; ">I'm not sure how you would do it."</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px; ">
</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px; ">This is the weakest argument of all. It would be pretty damn easy to do. Line up the teams 1-16, move teams one spot in either direction to avoid conference match-ups, and there you have it. Why do you think it would be hard to do?</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px; ">
</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px; ">
</span></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-size: 12px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px;">The only hesitation I have is that reseeding might provide too much of an advantage for the 1 seed compared to the 3 or 4 seed, and there really isn't much difference between the number 1 and 4 teams.</span></font></div>

 

[Maroon Eagle]

...then maybe...

1. Virginia v. 16. Dallas Baptist
8. Arizona State v. 9. Oregon State
4. South Carolina v. 13. Mississippi State
5. Florida State v. 12. Connecticut
2. Florida v. 15. California
7. Texas v. 10. Texas A&M/Arizona
6. Vanderbilt v. 11. Stanford
3. North Carolina v. 14. UC Irvine

Edit to note: I'm thinking that Texas A&M would properly be a #9 seed if the Aggies won (and Oregon State would be #10 in that case) but I changed things to allow for the possibilities of conference matchups in super regionals.

 

[desotodawg]

I do not buy that they deserved to be in a regional. Personally, if you can't make your conference tourney you have no business being in the field of 64. SOS/RPI or not.
DD

 

[RebelBruiser]

I do not buy that they deserved to be in a regional. Personally, if you can't make your conference tourney you have no business being in the field of 64. SOS/RPI or not.
DD

Depends on how you want to make that argument.

Some people want to argue that you shouldn't be able to go to a bowl game if you finish below .500 in your conference.

Well, is the team that went 3-5 in the SEC better than the team that went 4-4 in CUSA? Most likely, yes.

Same can be said for baseball. In theory, if all 12 SEC teams are among the 30 or 40 best in the country, then all 12 should be invited to regionals. Conference affiliation shouldn't have anything to do with whether or not you're the best team. If you could rank all the teams with a metric that was completely 100% accurate, there were likely at large teams in the field that were worse than LSU or Ole Miss this year.

All that said, I wanted us to get in, because I would always prefer to see us play, but at the same time I blame our team/coaches for their failure this year, not the selection committee. We wouldn't have even been on the bubble if the team had been well-coached, so it's on them.

 

[RobbieRandolph]

your and idiot.

 

[Foronce]

with the ncaa having db vs cal they ensure themselves a david vs goliath on a national stage at CWS

in your argument you said ncaa and then the people... have you seen the bcs?

the ncaa lost tcu/rice and got cinderella in the CWS, that is a WIN

 

[desotodawg]

But as Bruiser put it, they didn't take care of business. If they had, then they would have been in the tourney and we'd be on the outside looking in.

Also, I may be an idiot .. but you suck at typing ... nyah.

 

[JohnDawg]

1. read the board for a little while before posting.

2. die.

 

[VegasDawg13]

I was thinking you were saying they wanted a Cinderella throughout the tournament, not strictly in the CWS.<div>
</div><div>However, are you implying that the NCAA wants something different from the viewing public? I would certainly think the only thing they care about is ratings and media attention which are driven by what the people want. And the NCAA has nothing to do with the BCS.</div>

 

[desotodawg]

1) I have been reading this board for several years. And based on that, my post is not near as moronic or ignorant as more than half the people that troll this board.
2) I will one day .. but not today.

Again, The fact that the SEC limits the tournament to 8 teams is their decision. If Ole Miss and LSU had taken care of business, this discussion would be moot. If 10 sec teams deserved to be in the tourney I don't think the selection committee would do it anyway. In the past 13 years only 3 times has the SEC had more than 8 teams ( I don't think any other conference has had more than 8 ), 2008,2005,2004 9 teams made it. In 2008 Arkansas was eliminated in 2 games( did not make SEC tourney) , in 2005 Auburn made it to the regional finals ( did not make the SEC tourney ),
in 2004 MSU was eliminated after 3 games ( did not make the SEC tourney ). Other than Auburn's strong showing you could argue that the only 8 should have made it.

Believe me, I want the SEC to do well all the time and get as many teams as possible, but just because 'we are the SEC' is not any more valid a reason as 'but we have a tradition of winning' is for being in a NYD bowl over the Liberty Bowl when the records speak otherwise.

DD

 

[bendog]

1) I have been reading this board for several years.

You may want to give it a few more, b/c you obviously haven't caught on yet.

 

[o_HubDawg]

Just let all 12 SEC teams into the tournament like you do in basketball. As it is, limiting us to 8 teams in the SECT kind of hurts our chances to get more teams. I know we've gotten 9 in before, but it's a mental barrier. If you have all 12 teams, you can't say "well, they didn't make the SEC Tournament so they don't deserve to go". If they have a high enough RPI like LSU, they should be in.

 

[Maroon Eagle]

Off-hand, I think I'd go with a modified round robin pod setup.
Pod 1: 1, 8, 9 seeds
Pod 2: 2, 7, 10 seeds
Pod 3: 3, 6, 11 seeds
Pod 4: 4, 5, 12 seeds

Championship Pod: Winners of Pods 1-4.

 

[skydawg1]

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[Ford76]

They use to reseed the cws before they added the super regionals. The SEC was one of the ones that fought it, because no matter what the rankings looked like, we all seemed to get piled up on the same side of the bracket.