Reb lurkers. ...
- Thread starter Shmuley
- Start date
After 2008 - we hired a new coach. So we had excitement.
After 2009 - we looked to be turning things around and won the Egg Bowl.
After 2010 for Ole Miss - you should have fired some coaches (still not done). You have no idea what kind of offense you will be running. You don't have a QB. You lose a lot on your defense. You lost the Egg Bowl
After 2009 - we looked to be turning things around and won the Egg Bowl.
After 2010 for Ole Miss - you should have fired some coaches (still not done). You have no idea what kind of offense you will be running. You don't have a QB. You lose a lot on your defense. You lost the Egg Bowl
Some of us called it exactly like it played out - that Nutt was winning with Ed O's highly talented, but thin group of starters and that the house of cards would hall hard and fast in short order. Boom!Mean Machine say what said:
So no, it wasn't disconcerting at all seeing Mississippi play in 2 cotton bowls.
I see two major changes in college athletics in my lifetime when it comes to the Athletic Department. First, you had the time where we switched from the old, retired football coach to someone with business sense. This is where we picked up LT and his "stay in the black" mantra, which at the time was better than having some washed up old football coach. Now we have seen the Athletic Director turn from a business man into a marketing and communications expert. Mississippi State has made that transition with Byrne and now Strickland where Ole Miss has not. This is part of why I see us getting ahead and the two years of Cotton Bowls didn't really impact me much. If you look at the programs from a higher level I just didn't see Ole Miss opening up a gap, even when they were winning, but now MSU seems to have turned a corner.
This may turn out to be nothing and we may still sit neck-and-neck with no one gaining the upper hand but I believe we have better leadership in place right now. If Ole Miss doesn't shake off their own personal LT we will be able to make a leap. This is the big difference I see.
This may turn out to be nothing and we may still sit neck-and-neck with no one gaining the upper hand but I believe we have better leadership in place right now. If Ole Miss doesn't shake off their own personal LT we will be able to make a leap. This is the big difference I see.
I may be proven wrong but I always thought Ogeron caught lightning in a bottle with a couple of his recruiting classes and I always thought that things would go down when they were gone. I`m right so far.
I agree. This is more than just one team winning and one team not. There has been a tectonic shift at Mississippi State. The football program is surging forward on many levels.
Mississippi seems to be going the opposite direction - unsure of their coaches, unsure of their identity, no serviceable high school QB recruits since Eli Manning was playing, talent leaving, not a lot of talent entering. The fans aren't unified enough to wear the same color on gameday - not that gameday colors matter, but it illustrates the lack of support and enthusiasm in the fanbase. Hell, even the chancellor didn't participate in their wear-blue gameday. Elitism, dis-unity, etc.... Daytime fireworks. Mic check. Mic check. Mic check.
As MSU is in its best position maybe ever, Mississippi appears to be in about as pitiful of a state as it has been in during most of this readership's lifetime.
Mississippi seems to be going the opposite direction - unsure of their coaches, unsure of their identity, no serviceable high school QB recruits since Eli Manning was playing, talent leaving, not a lot of talent entering. The fans aren't unified enough to wear the same color on gameday - not that gameday colors matter, but it illustrates the lack of support and enthusiasm in the fanbase. Hell, even the chancellor didn't participate in their wear-blue gameday. Elitism, dis-unity, etc.... Daytime fireworks. Mic check. Mic check. Mic check.
As MSU is in its best position maybe ever, Mississippi appears to be in about as pitiful of a state as it has been in during most of this readership's lifetime.
Last night at maybe the biggest rebel homer the world has ever known.
He has never been able to say anything positive about state
And he kept that in tact last night. The telling comment from
Him was "we have serious problems in oxford at many
Leadership levels and major changes are going to be required".
That statement was sincere and painful for him, you have to know him to
Appreciate the comment. I do believe it speaks volumes to the
Division in their fanbase that is tearing them apart.
He has never been able to say anything positive about state
And he kept that in tact last night. The telling comment from
Him was "we have serious problems in oxford at many
Leadership levels and major changes are going to be required".
That statement was sincere and painful for him, you have to know him to
Appreciate the comment. I do believe it speaks volumes to the
Division in their fanbase that is tearing them apart.
Of course it sucks knowing we will NEVER beat MSU again. I've heard we are talking about shutting down our football program because of it
Seriously I haven't noticed a major recruiting shift in Mississippi in my life. It is almost always close to 50/50 with some up and down years both ways. I see no reason to think that will change dramatically. Even this year if you sweep the remaining top guys on the board you'll only have beat us head to head in state for about 4 more players than we will have beaten you for.
Seriously I haven't noticed a major recruiting shift in Mississippi in my life. It is almost always close to 50/50 with some up and down years both ways. I see no reason to think that will change dramatically. Even this year if you sweep the remaining top guys on the board you'll only have beat us head to head in state for about 4 more players than we will have beaten you for.
1. Never in your lifetime have you seen State so much better at marketing the program
2. Never in your lifetime have you seen State with a coach as dynamic or superior as Mullen
Like ol' Crooms used to say, "if you can't see it, you're blind."
There is a monumental shift occurring. It's not just head-to-head on the football field. There is an overall agenda at MSU, starting with the president of the university, to be the biggest, best, most desirableschool in the state. We haven't just passed you by; we've left you in the dust. The fact of the matter is that we have a much better product to sell, and we have better salespeople in the key positions to sell it. Can that change? Sure, butyou guys better hurry fast because the gap is opening up.
2. Never in your lifetime have you seen State with a coach as dynamic or superior as Mullen
Like ol' Crooms used to say, "if you can't see it, you're blind."
There is a monumental shift occurring. It's not just head-to-head on the football field. There is an overall agenda at MSU, starting with the president of the university, to be the biggest, best, most desirableschool in the state. We haven't just passed you by; we've left you in the dust. The fact of the matter is that we have a much better product to sell, and we have better salespeople in the key positions to sell it. Can that change? Sure, butyou guys better hurry fast because the gap is opening up.
The difference right now isn't simply a matter of who gets the better talent on signing day. It goes far beyond that. But good for you for trying to maintain control of your precious school's "superior" football program.
Your real last NYD bowl was the 1991 Gator Bowl when Michigan whipped that ***. I guess they movedthe Cotton Bowlto a Friday Night this year in hopes of gathering a bigger TV rating. Really, who wanted to Watch Ole Miss and OK State and Texas Tech. With LSU playing they might get some really good ratings this year. That's right your rival.
It doesn't matter when the game is played. More publicity probably comes in NYD, as that is a traditional football watching day.... but the Cotton Bowl is a better bowl than what we played in today.
You may be doing all those things well but that won't create some insurmountable gap.
Neither school or program will ever destroy the other no matter how much we may want to believe it is possible.
I'll use a Moneyball comparison. The A's were able to temporarily outsmart and maybe outwork their status as an orgnization. That only lasted a short period though bc everyone else caught on and their status as an organization based on their shortcomings (financial in their case) brought them back to the norm. Every program or organization in sports has shortcomings that define it to an extent.
If you are doing something revolutionary by some means everyone else will be doing it shortly and you'll have to find the next frontier if it exists.
For the record we aren't the Yankees in this comparison, maybe the Indians or someone like that.
The last thing I'll say is that when you're high you're never as high as it feels like you are. Likewise when you're down you're never as down as it feels like you are. That's why they call us fans short for fanatics. We overreact both ways. It doesn't take much to change things in sports especially college sports given the turnover you have both oon the coaching and player side of things. The lesson is to enjoy your highs when you have them and hope to prolong them while shortening the low periods.
Neither school or program will ever destroy the other no matter how much we may want to believe it is possible.
I'll use a Moneyball comparison. The A's were able to temporarily outsmart and maybe outwork their status as an orgnization. That only lasted a short period though bc everyone else caught on and their status as an organization based on their shortcomings (financial in their case) brought them back to the norm. Every program or organization in sports has shortcomings that define it to an extent.
If you are doing something revolutionary by some means everyone else will be doing it shortly and you'll have to find the next frontier if it exists.
For the record we aren't the Yankees in this comparison, maybe the Indians or someone like that.
The last thing I'll say is that when you're high you're never as high as it feels like you are. Likewise when you're down you're never as down as it feels like you are. That's why they call us fans short for fanatics. We overreact both ways. It doesn't take much to change things in sports especially college sports given the turnover you have both oon the coaching and player side of things. The lesson is to enjoy your highs when you have them and hope to prolong them while shortening the low periods.
I would think the Bears have to be concerned with Boone at the helm. But for me I don't care what Ole Miss does, constantly comparing our program to theirs is a recipe for failure. The way we are approaching marketing, expansion, building our name, dispelling the Starkville myth, etc... Has been fantastic.
Just trying to be a little better than the worst team in your division is loser mentality. We have to continue to be innovative and be aggressive to make the leap from good to great.
Just trying to be a little better than the worst team in your division is loser mentality. We have to continue to be innovative and be aggressive to make the leap from good to great.