Rebels, what exactly did Houston Nutt say that was so wrong?

[RebFan.sixpack]

If that's true why didn't he get one? Seems like there would've been schools lining up to hire him away for taking a school that didn't have a winning season in 4 yrs to 2 Cotton Bowls. If he was trying to get out why didn't he? If you can include quotes from his family and closest friends this time. And surely there were some face-to-face meetings between him, our AD, and the asst coaches ya'll know about. Check with your NCAA contacts, too. Maybe there's an investiga....oh ****....somebody's gonna run with that one

 

[Rebels7]

You're way off on the Mackey thing

Overly negative on Mackey? The guy won 1 game as a starter and in the following spring, fell behind Barry Brunetti and Mikhail Miller. Nothing about Mackey's play at RB/WRlast season can be attributed to Houston Nutt.

And how exactly did half of that class either not qualifying or not lasting more than a year prove your point? That class was terrible.

It makes the rest of what you're saying look not credible. No, he wasn't a good QB. But he contributed in a very big way. Just ask Miles, Saban, and several other coaches who had no clue how to defend him. His presence will be missed.

ETA: I will give you this, though, technically, Mackey was an Orgeron recruit. So if that makes a difference...

 

[RockstarFromMars]

Mackey was in no way, shape, or form an Orgeron recruit. He committed to Ole Miss in February of 2008 as part of Nutt's first class, 3 months after Orgeron was fired. Yes, Mackey contributed in a big way last season at an entirely different position that had nothing to do with Nutt. I'm not sure what you're referring to when you say that Miles and Saban had no clue how to defend him. If you mean last year, again, nothing to do with Nutt (which is the point of the post). If you meant the previous season, I don't think Alabama had any issue with it and Miles didn't have to coach against him because he wasn't academically eligible for the LSU game. At the position which Houston Nutt recruited him as and coached him as, Mackey was a bust. Maybe not entirely his fault, but the results were what they were.

 

[RebFan.sixpack]

and you see what you couldn't possibly see

 

[Heawww]

Arkansas baggage I guess. And didn't you guys give him a raise that you're still paying for now?

If you can include quotes from his family and closest friends this time. And surely there were some face-to-face meetings between him, our AD, and the asst coaches ya'll know about. Check with your NCAA contacts, too. Maybe there's an investiga....oh ****....somebody's gonna run with that one

What's up with this strawman **** lately? Stay on topic.

 

[SkinkTyree]

One point: Nutt saying "Ole Miss will be contenders in the West this year"

is a fine example of him being a petty douchebag. No Ole Miss fan, including me, thinks we will come close to contending for the West. You could poll 1000 Rebel fans and not find one that believes this. We have maybe a couple of guys on each side of the ball that could start for Bama. If we finish third or fourth in the West, that's an excellent year for this team and we all know it.

Nutt is putting unrealistic expectations on Freeze with that crap so he can see it as a tiny little victory in his tiny little mind when Freeze doesn't contend for the West.

Don't even get me started on the academics under Nutt. It's an insult to Casey Jones to call that situation a train wreck.

 

[Sandman.sixpack]

Nutt trying to take the credit

Year before last was Nutt's last year at OM. That was the worst season in Ole Miss football history. 2-10 record. Blown out by Vandy and La Tech. LSU and Bama beat them by about fifty points each, etc. 2012 would have been even worse if Nutt had stayed. The 2012 OM team was picked to be last (14th) in the SEC last year. Over half of the 4 star types Nutt signed never made it to school or quickly left. There was a lot more talent at Kentucky last year than there was in Oxford....by a long shot!
Nutt left a train-wreck. Only about five or six SEC calibre players going into 2012. Plus he was on the verge of another weak recruiting class. Freeze's first class (2012) was only ranked about 42nd, thanks to a year of weak recruiting by Nutt's staff. Croome and Mullen had both out-recruited him by a mile for three of the previous four years. Nutt left 35 or so players on academic probation.
Going into 2012, OM football program was at their lowest point in history.
Now Nutt's acting like he had them poised for a trip to Atlanta. LOL

I read that interview with him, and he seemed very complimentary of Freeze and said you all would be a contender this year. I thought nothing bad about it. When talking about the recruiting classes, he seemed like he told the absolute truth. Said he was left two good classes (2005, 2006), then two not so good ones (2007, 200 and then his first class was bad (2009), but then he had two good ones (2010, 2011).

Then, Kellenburger writes this: http://blogs.clarionledger.com/um/2013/08/18/houston-nutt-continues-to-say-houston-nutt-things/

What's the deal? Sensitive much?

 

[Heawww]

Eh, if they hadn't fired him midseason, they'd have at least been competitive. And like I said earlier in the thread, they should have beaten BYU and Arkansas. That would have likely given him 2012 to turn it around, and who knows what would have happened.

Look if he hadn't lost to Jacksonville State, he'd still be coaching there right now. But he didn't, and as it turned out he was fired, and rightfully so. All I'm saying is that what he said yesterday wasn't that bad.

 

[FormerlyHighLifeRebel]

You do not know what a straw man argument is.

 

[KurtRambis4]

I'm pretty sure

he saw a few people using the phrase and thought he would look intelligent by using it. I would imagine by now he's googled it and is an expert on the matter.

 

[RockstarFromMars]

Again, we agree. We were supposed to be moving to a spread, and the only person on that staff with any spread experience was Hugh Freeze. I can't help but think we would be running the same offense we run now, or something really close.

 

[Firecaptain4]

I agree with Heaww I don't think he was being a smart *** or petty he just said how he felt. The thing is if you look at it the upswing in OM football you have to even give Orgeron some credit. He brought in HF the first time and had Kiffen as a grad assistant here. Nutt no doubt lost his fire to coach while at OM and left us in a tough situation but everything happens for a reason and I like where we are now.

 

[Sandman.sixpack]

Good post, FireCaptain. Agree with most of it. Nutt basically said the Rebs should contend with Bama for the west championship this year and that he set the foundation for that. In other words... Nutt would have had them in Atlanta this year. I don't think he was being a smart ***, but I disagree with him. Ole Miss is still near the bottom of the SEC in talent this year (thanks to Nutt).
They have a great freshman class and apparently will have another one next year. You don't win with freshmen in this conference. This will be the third year in a row that NONE of their seniors will be drafted (in any round). That's unheard of in the SEC. My guess is that's never happened (3 years in a row) in the SEC. They were the only team out of 14 in the SEC that had nobody drafted last year. Those three classes were Nutt's last three recruiting classes.
Nutt left them in the worst shape in their history. No doubt!

 

[Firecaptain4]

Thanks Sandman and your right as far as the talent level. We have a lot of journeymen type players and some very talented young guys. The thing is with the young guys on both of our teams you never can tell how they will react to the talent level in the SEC. Momentum will be huge for both teams this year and I hope both can win their openers and ride the wave to successful seasons. I see both teams winning 6 to 8 games.

 

[Sandman.sixpack]

I agree FireCaptain. We have lots of solid young talent. We got three or four of the best O linemen in the state in this year's frosh class and maybe the best two players in the state in Jones & Shumpert. We are building quality depth now that will be the nucleus of the team in the next few years. Six to eight wins again this year sounds about right. Maybe eight to ten next year, especially if Dak comes on strong.

 

[Edam]

Nutt inherited a team that was loaded with talent but lacked coaching.

Through laziness, arrogance and benign neglect he left Freeze a dumpster fire. The team was low on talent, out of shape, undisciplined and had given up. No one went to class. If Mullin had simply added the phrase, "as long as Houston Nutt is on the sideline" to his prediction he would never lose to this team again he would have been right.

Nutt then acts like Freeze didn't inherit a dumpster fire but a team with all the pieces that was "close."

It's simply out of touch with reality. He left the team in bad shape. The backup RB last year was a redshirt senior QB who had never played RB before. There wasn't a third string RB. There was essentially one OT on the roster.

After going on and on about how hard it was to recruit to Oxford, Freeze does it then Nutt tries to take credit by saying that the Nkemdiches were a package deal. Robert committed to Clemson last summer, so if they were destined to be together then it would have been in SC if Nutt were around.

Finally he wraps this in an insane prediction that protects himself while raising expectations for Freeze. It's just obnoxious across the board.