Rebuilding: Jackie vs Croom vs Mullen
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Sherrill - pretty easy job. As 8Dog said (and Sherrill has said himself), he inherited a pretty good team. He may not have been set up quite as good as Nutt at Mississippi, but he wasn't too far from it (and in both situations it was much more apparent after the fact that the previous coach had left them with a pretty good team).
Crxxm - very tough job. He inherited some talented players, but not nearly enough of them and more problem children than just about any team I've ever seen.
Mullen - tough job. He'll inherit fewer good SEC players than Crxxm did, but better young talent than Crxxm did and fewer problems.
Crxxm - very tough job. He inherited some talented players, but not nearly enough of them and more problem children than just about any team I've ever seen.
Mullen - tough job. He'll inherit fewer good SEC players than Crxxm did, but better young talent than Crxxm did and fewer problems.
1. Jackie
2. Mullen
3. Croom
I dont think we are as bad off right now as we were when Croom stepped in. We should have some good players on D coming up from the past couple of years recruiting. Our O-line should also be better with experience and some quality.
2. Mullen
3. Croom
I dont think we are as bad off right now as we were when Croom stepped in. We should have some good players on D coming up from the past couple of years recruiting. Our O-line should also be better with experience and some quality.
...Jackie had the easiest job by far.
Croom inherited talent, but had some serious holes in key positions. He also had a serious, serious attitude problem to overcome (which he did eventually).
Mullen inherits kids that will play hard for him but not much talent.
Croom inherited talent, but had some serious holes in key positions. He also had a serious, serious attitude problem to overcome (which he did eventually).
Mullen inherits kids that will play hard for him but not much talent.
not because of the lack of talent, but because of the attitude and lack of discipline of the players he inherited. The fact that we were being investigated and had that cloud hanging over the program made it that much tougher from an outside perspective.
Jackie had it the easiest of the three. He had a lot of talented players that were hungry to win.
Mullen is in between.
Jackie had it the easiest of the three. He had a lot of talented players that were hungry to win.
Mullen is in between.
attitude. I think Mullen will benefit from this, not having to worry about the a$$holes and crap attitudes like Croom did.
Yes we have some talent (except for OL) but Mullen is gonna have to change is preparation. Croom did a horrible job in prep (off season and in between games)
MSU players play hard (except for the OM game) and typically have good attitudes
MSU players have more talent than 4 wins. 6 wins-yes, 7-prolly not
So it all boils down to get talent dial into the right slots and preparing the team in the off season (wts/conditioning/learning)and during the week-adjustments to schemes and the sort.
I feel Mullen will continue Croom's efforts in demanding the best out of the players-check
I feel Mullen will continue Croom's 08/09 recruiting and trump it
I feel Mullen will have the players ready to compete in the overall season and week-to-week (ie, better coaching)
Yes we have some talent (except for OL) but Mullen is gonna have to change is preparation. Croom did a horrible job in prep (off season and in between games)
MSU players play hard (except for the OM game) and typically have good attitudes
MSU players have more talent than 4 wins. 6 wins-yes, 7-prolly not
So it all boils down to get talent dial into the right slots and preparing the team in the off season (wts/conditioning/learning)and during the week-adjustments to schemes and the sort.
I feel Mullen will continue Croom's efforts in demanding the best out of the players-check
I feel Mullen will continue Croom's 08/09 recruiting and trump it
I feel Mullen will have the players ready to compete in the overall season and week-to-week (ie, better coaching)
Easiest to toughest Sherrill, Mullen, Croom.Todd4State said:
Croom had to inherit the probation period which was really hard for him to get anything going for us. Mullen is in great shape he has the tools and the facilities and the ability to recruit and the players already committed to help him out.
90% of the players who left were felons, terrible attitudes, overrated, or just generally worthless. We had a team with probably 20 cancers on it when Crxxm arrived. I've criticized Crxxm for a lot of things over the past few years, but one thing he was right on the money on was getting rid of those pieces of ****. How many of them went anywhere else and did anything at all after they left MSU? Calvin Wilson is the only one I can think of off the top of my head, and even he was way overrated at USM.
Croom left us with just about nothing. If AJ and Chaney were not coming back we would surely be a 2 win team. JUCO's tell the story here. Mullen is going after them big time. I do not believe in the history of MSU football has the QB position been as weak as it is today. That's saying alot, because it has been weak over the years. Croom had nothing coming back in the kicking game, WR's are terrible, CB's are terrible beside AJ, four out of five OL are bad, We have one decent RB, I doubt Elliot will be back. Only 20 % can come back from that injury. We have no FB's. DL is weak and we have no DE's who can rush the passer. If Croom had a tougher job, Croom caused some of it on his own. We could have won several more games if had played Andrews instead of running out a freshman who couldn't kick a lick. He kicked off some good talent, mostly because he didn't recruit them. Take in to consideration we have NO DEPTH and you have a two win season. Best thing to do is start playing the youngsters so we can compete in 2010.
And I did say he was the only transfer that was worth a ****. He would have definitely helped us out if he'd stayed. But he's not nearly as good as his hype has been either coming out of HS or now at USM.
I don't really disagree at all with the rest of your rant except that Crxxm had no choice about 90% of the players he ran off and we were better off without them. Hell, several of them went to prison and/or got kicked out of school. He literally didn't have a choice with many of them. I'll give you Calvin Wilson as the exception to that statement and also say there may be a couple more exceptions. But there sure aren't many.
I don't really disagree at all with the rest of your rant except that Crxxm had no choice about 90% of the players he ran off and we were better off without them. Hell, several of them went to prison and/or got kicked out of school. He literally didn't have a choice with many of them. I'll give you Calvin Wilson as the exception to that statement and also say there may be a couple more exceptions. But there sure aren't many.
Is a decent recruiting class in his first year. He does have to thank Croom for that.
Russell, Conner, Boyd and Cox are all SEC caliber athletes. Throw in Thames and McPhee and that is 6 solid high end SEC caliber athletes in your first year as a new coach, that is tremendous for a school that is not LSU/FL/GA.
Look at AU's class, it is a train wreck.
On paper Croom was starting to recruit a lot better now, whether they pan out is an entirely different matter, but Mullen definitely has that as an advantage that Croom didn't.
Russell, Conner, Boyd and Cox are all SEC caliber athletes. Throw in Thames and McPhee and that is 6 solid high end SEC caliber athletes in your first year as a new coach, that is tremendous for a school that is not LSU/FL/GA.
Look at AU's class, it is a train wreck.
On paper Croom was starting to recruit a lot better now, whether they pan out is an entirely different matter, but Mullen definitely has that as an advantage that Croom didn't.